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To: Hoplite
Guess you missed the memo, Hopeless -- probably because it didn't have "Serb" or "Balkan" in the keyword list to put you in a lather: Islam and Adolf Hitler
4 posted on 08/10/2007 2:04:33 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe
Did I mention bringing back genocide to Europe?

No? Oh well.

Is the Sisyphean nature of your self appointed task of attempting to change history and perception so completely removed from your grasp?

Of course it is.

Which is why you just keep trying.

6 posted on 08/10/2007 2:08:06 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Bokababe
Boka: Let me explain how Hoplite is misguided in his analogies.

First, how did "NAZISM" come about?

Let's revisit the 1800's, and, for the sake of argument, we need only start with Herbert Spencer (1852) who stated; " Survival of the fittest". I would note that this quote did not come from the later works of Charles Darwin and Alfred Wallace (1861).

Subsequent to these individuals works, there were movements to improve humankind. The most popular was referred to as the Eugenics movement.

In the latter 1800's, with the works of Sir Francis Galton, Alfred Binet, Karl Pearson et.al. there were the development of IQ tests which labled individuals (in modern terms) as e.g. Mentally Retarded and so on. This movement became popular to social scientists, not only in Europe, but also in the US to wit:

Eugenics and the United States, 1890s–1945

"One of the earliest modern advocates of eugenic ideas (before they were labeled as such) was Alexander Graham Bell. In 1881 Bell investigated the rate of deafness on Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts. From this he concluded that deafness was hereditary in nature and recommended a marriage prohibition against the deaf ("Memoir upon the formation of a deaf variety of the human Race") even though he was married to a deaf woman. Like many other early eugenicists, he proposed controlling immigration for the purpose of eugenics and warned that boarding schools for the deaf could possibly be considered as breeding places of a deaf human race. In 1907, Indiana became the first of more than thirty states to adopt legislation aimed at compulsory sterilization of certain individuals.[14] Although the law was overturned by the Indiana Supreme Court in 1921,[15] the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of a Virginia Law allowing for the compulsory sterilization of patients of state mental institutions in 1927.[16] "We do not stand alone": Nazi poster from 1936 with flags of other countries with compulsory sterilization legislation.Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler was infamous for eugenics programs which attempted to maintain a "pure" German race through a series of programs that ran under the banner of "racial hygiene". Among other activities, the Nazis performed extensive experimentation on live human beings to test their genetic theories, ranging from simple measurement of physical characteristics to the horrific experiments carried out by Josef Mengele for Otmar von Verschuer on twins in the concentration camps. During the 1930s and 1940s, the Nazi regime forcibly sterilized hundreds of thousands of people whom they viewed as mentally and physically "unfit", an estimated 400,000 between 1934 and 1937. The scale of the Nazi program prompted American eugenics advocates to seek an expansion of their program, with one complaining that "the Germans are beating us at our own game".[Quoted in Selgelid, Michael J. 2000. Neugenics? Monash Bioethics Review 19 (4):9-33 ]"

The Eugenics movement - extending far beyond Nazi Germany - ended in 1945 in the aftermath of what the Nazi did. Thus, in any real terms, there's no real comparison between what the Nazi's did in the 1930's and 1940's to what happened during the Balkan Wars of the 1990's. The underlying motivation was completely different.

The Nazis took the Eugenics movement to the limit - and it ended in 1945.

This is where Hoplite is going wrong in his analogies i.e. comparing Nazi Germany to the Serbs (of course during the 1990's).

18 posted on 08/11/2007 12:57:56 AM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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