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BUNGLERS MISSED THEIR SHOTS TO STOP A SLAUGHTER (illegal molester coddled by system)
NY POST ^ | EDITORIAL

Posted on 08/11/2007 6:59:04 AM PDT by Liz

Authorities had several chances to get José Carranza off the streets. They didn't...... and so three innocent college kids were brutally murdered .....How was an illegal immigrant arrested for felony assault and twice on 31 counts involving the repeated sexual assault of a 5-year-old girl - on the street in the first place?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: aliens; carranza; crimaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; newark; openbordertraitors; sanctuarycities; sexcrimes; slavers
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Our politicians are pandering idiots, sucking up to these invaders for a few votes.

We demand politicians obey the constitution they were sworn to uphold.

We demand they do something.........American citizens are losing their savings/homes/futures......while freeloading illegal invaders own homes in the countries they emanated from, have cash in the bank, and are sponging-off US citizens.

The invaders are sending $50 billion US dollars per year back home (for their cushy retirements). This is money gained from illegal employment ....and for all we know....from drug deals, tax evasion, ID theft, and other criminal activities.

For starters, Western Union should be investigated. WU is aiding in the hiding and conversion and transmission of the invaders illegal cash to legitimate funds. ALL international WU money transfers need to be filtered and siezed as necessary to stop this theft from the USA.

1 posted on 08/11/2007 6:59:07 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

What happened to the idea of punishing criminals? Thirty-one (!!??) counts of molesting a child? They should have sent him to The Maker long ago.


2 posted on 08/11/2007 7:04:05 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: free me
I quote from the linked article:

And nobody called the feds to come pick him up on immigration charges . . . But free he was - on $150,000 bail. And, once again, no one called immigration.

So I reiterate: no one informed immigration, despite the lies told by the Essex County Sherriff's office, who arrested this guy on 31 different counts but never informed immigration and never held him for more than a few days.

3 posted on 08/11/2007 7:04:09 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Liz

In my many years of watching politicians operate, I have never seen anything as disgraceful, but enlightening, as this “immigration reform” fiasco. Because it has convinced me, for good and certain, that our politicians are less concerned about this country and the well-being of its people, than they are about pandering for votes. In other words, it’s the politician’s interests first, not ours.

I’m in favor of term limits and restrictions on pork-barrel spending, as a means of removing the incentives to our solons to do this type of thing.


4 posted on 08/11/2007 7:07:40 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: Liz

I HOPE IT’S POSSIBLE FOR THOSE PARENTS TO SUE EVERY
SINGLE PERSON FROM BOTTOM TO TOP WHO REFUSED TO ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS ATROCITY.
WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH????????????????????????????????


5 posted on 08/11/2007 7:07:58 AM PDT by FES0844 (FES0844)
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To: FES0844

Not unlike the Cheshire CT atrocity, though both those pieces of filth were not illegals. But they both had records as long as your arm and shouldn’t have been on the street.


6 posted on 08/11/2007 7:10:28 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Liz
The second most horrible part of all this....(the killing was the most horrible)....is that there is no way to hold the "officials" responsible.

Sure, we can "vote" them out of office, but they still get to live in luxury, with their pensions, and are free to spread lies of justification.

I would like to see some retrubution...the judge, city councilmen...mayors, prosecutors.....all in jail, or in this case, hanged at the most populous intersection of the town at high noon.

If the consequences of official action were harsh enough, maybe some of these people would think twice, or better, not even try for the official job.

7 posted on 08/11/2007 7:13:03 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance......)
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To: Liz

“In declining states the leadership intuitively choses the most harmful course of action.”- A Great Historian 1888


8 posted on 08/11/2007 7:13:17 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Exactly, don’t look for sanctuary cities or states to defend the population, time to move somewhere where conservative values are still in vogue.
The illegal invasion will not be solved nationally,no guts there, only locally.
9 posted on 08/11/2007 7:19:29 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: B.O. Plenty
I would like to see some retrubution...the judge, city councilmen...mayors, prosecutors.....all in jail, or in this case, hanged at the most populous intersection of the town at high noon.

My thoughts exactly. If a doctor can be held liable for a bad outcome/botched procedure why can't the courts be held to the same standards?

10 posted on 08/11/2007 7:20:40 AM PDT by dearolddad
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To: Liz

This is literally our poster boy for illegal immigration! His face and deeds and faces of his victims should become known to every American, along with the disgraceful actions of the authorities.


11 posted on 08/11/2007 7:21:41 AM PDT by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: dearolddad
Probably won’t happen.
When you have govt. corruption from top to bottom and the feds won’t act, time to leave. You might get a token prosecution but things like this will become the norm under an unsecured border mandate that both sides of the political equation follow.
12 posted on 08/11/2007 7:24:06 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: Liz
We demand they do something.........American citizens are losing their savings/homes/futures lives

How many news reports have there been of kids raped and murdered in the past month or so by illegals??? Way too many... and the politicians do nothing.

13 posted on 08/11/2007 7:24:28 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: dearolddad
My thoughts exactly. If a doctor can be held liable for a bad outcome/botched procedure why can't the courts be held to the same standards?

Obvious answer. All elective offices are packed with lawyers protecting their turf.

14 posted on 08/11/2007 7:25:00 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: Liz
It looks like the good people of New Jersey have exactly the kind of government that they want. The left makes no secret of how they will govern, but they still get elected, over and over, to govern New Jersey. So, I can only assume that, to the people of the Garden State, this kind of thing is okay with them.
15 posted on 08/11/2007 7:25:40 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: rodguy911; AEMILIUS PAULUS
The illegal invasion will not be solved nationally,no guts there, only locally.

The Founding Fathers were very, very clear.

The federal government should be the weakest part of our government. The local government should be the strongest because the closer you get to the people, the more it is in connection with the people and its will .....

That's why you're seeing communities like Hazelton, Pa stepping up local laws against illegals.

16 posted on 08/11/2007 7:26:31 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: popdonnelly

“I’m in favor of term limits and restrictions on pork-barrel spending, as a means of removing the incentives to our solons to do this type of thing.”

Absolutely! Plus make lobbying illegal, NO pension other than social security, NO special federal health care program, Medicare for one and all in retirement. No raises unless there are equal raises for the entire working population.

How can we get these changes as no politician in office is ever going to let go of the goose that laid the golden egg?

We are hog tied...it is like a catch 22.


17 posted on 08/11/2007 7:27:02 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Liz
WU is aiding in the hiding and conversion and transmission of the invaders illegal cash to legitimate funds.

Not so. Suspicious monetary transactions are reported and investigated.

18 posted on 08/11/2007 7:27:11 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Some people are like slinkys, the idea of them tumbling down a flight of stairs makes you smile.)
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To: rodguy911

“...don’t look for sanctuary cities or states to defend the population...”

It’s actually even worse: law-abiding citizens defending themselves
against the crimaliens really run the risk of criminal prosecution
and/or civil lawsuits.

Time to move to Texas!!!


19 posted on 08/11/2007 7:29:08 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Liz

I think he should be out NOW — and LIVING, ON A ROTATIONAL BASIS, IN THE HIGH-SECURITY, GATED COMMUNITIES WITH THE FAMILIES OF THE A**HOLE JUDGE AND POLITICIANS WHO PUT HIM ON THE STREET LAST TIME.

If we made that a national policy, wanna bet there would be a hell of a lot less repeat offender crime here?


20 posted on 08/11/2007 7:29:40 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (THEIR)
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To: sionnsar
The US rule of law is central to our survival as a democracy........what distingushes the US from the hellholes of the world.

Illegals are underming our democracy.

Their contempt for our laws is a danger to our Nation.

Illegal invaders obviously feel comfortable in the US only by degrading the US into a Third World banana republic——--into one of those South and Central American hellholes from which they emanate

Clearly, these Third World satraps, and their nationals, are conniving to hoist themselves out of their poverty and corruption on the backs of US taxpayers.

21 posted on 08/11/2007 7:30:51 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: Liz

agreed.


22 posted on 08/11/2007 7:31:32 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: Liz
The US rule of law is central to our survival as a democracy........what distingushes the US from the hellholes of the world.

Agreed. And if you look at what's been going on Congress lately, it's very clear that we no longer live under the rule of law, we now live under the rule of man.

23 posted on 08/11/2007 7:34:31 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: VOA
Statement: "It’s actually even worse: law-abiding citizens defending themselves against the crimaliens really run the risk of criminal prosecution and/or civil lawsuits."

Response: A true observation. However, eventually citizens will defend themselves. Self defense is too basic.

24 posted on 08/11/2007 7:35:36 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Liz

Some white lib or ethnic race baiter sighned the paperwork that freed this POS they are a conspirator along with the ACLU types and their political whores they need to be tried on federal conspiracy charges of the RICO statues.


25 posted on 08/11/2007 7:38:30 AM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: Liz

The politicians who advocate tolerating illegal immigration are telling the illegals that it’s OK to break our immigration laws. Some illegals figure, if it’s OK to break one law why not break some more? Why not violate traffic laws? Why not rape women? Why not kill people? Liberalism is a form of insanity.


26 posted on 08/11/2007 7:40:55 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth shall set you free))))
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To: w1andsodidwe
Obvious answer. All elective offices are packed with lawyers protecting their turf.

And yet, we continue to elect mostly lawyers to high public office.

27 posted on 08/11/2007 7:41:34 AM PDT by dearolddad
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To: Liz

One less democrat party voter off the streets.


28 posted on 08/11/2007 7:47:03 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: wideawake

how does an illegal alien, “who works hard for low wages, doing the jobs we Americans won’t do”, come up with 15 thousand cas for bail?, and if this were in arizona, at least we have a law that is supposed to DENY BAIL to a suspected illegal, that is alleged to have committed as serious crime


29 posted on 08/11/2007 7:59:54 AM PDT by machogirl
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To: FES0844

i agree, should be a march on washington, starts at the top


30 posted on 08/11/2007 8:00:37 AM PDT by machogirl
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To: FormerACLUmember

remember that their next plan is to let felons currently in the system vote? all those felons are disenfranchised, poor babies


31 posted on 08/11/2007 8:03:36 AM PDT by machogirl
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To: Liz
Our politicians are pandering idiots, sucking up to these invaders for a few votes.

You are clouding the issue.

These are not politicians, these are blue state politicians. I bet there is not a republican anywhere near this mess.

This is the kind of justice you get in blue cities/blue states.

32 posted on 08/11/2007 8:13:12 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Where do we go from here?)
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To: machogirl; wideawake
......how does an illegal alien, “who works hard for low wages, doing the jobs we Americans won’t do," come up with 15 thousand cash for bail?..........

Excellent question. Could be any one or ALL of the following:

Guy is an ID thief and looted bank accounts and other financial assets of Americans.

Guy has several SS#, filed multiple tax returns, and pocketed multiple $3500 EITC checks.

Guy is collecting multiple unemployment and workmen's comp benefits under several identities.

Guy is collecting multiple welfare checks and is cashing in food stamps for cash at Newark bodegas.

Guy is a drug dealer.

33 posted on 08/11/2007 8:19:45 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: popdonnelly

And that is why the 17th Amendment MUST be repealed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1876883/posts


34 posted on 08/11/2007 8:34:55 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Liz

Where are the race pimps now? When a black sex worker accused white boys of crime that NEVER occurred it was a media firestorm. As far as I can tell these dead kids were trying to make their way to better life, the right way by going to college. These victims deserve better than that crazy whore in Durham. And the suspect is not only an illegal, but an illegal with criminal record of crimes which represent a danger to society. Blacks are losing job opportunities to illegals, illegals live in areas more of a threat to blacks than whites. Whites are most likely to be a victim of an illegal when the illegal is driving drunk as we often see. Leadership in black America needs to wake up and stop sleeping in the servants quarters of the Democrat plantation and recognize some rich white boys at Duke are not a threat to black America but illegals maybe a bigger threat to them, than America in general.


35 posted on 08/11/2007 8:46:42 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: Liz
Newark is a sanctuary city — they advertised for this scumbag to come there and threw out the WELCOME mat when he did.

I hope the families sue this dhimmicrat sh!thole into the next century.
36 posted on 08/11/2007 8:53:47 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Beckwith

Should also be detemined how many identities this scumbag had-—how many times he’s registered to vote with fraudulent documents-—and the number of times he voted fraudulently.

All of those sitting in tax-paid gov’t offices who allowed this scum to vote illegally should be prosecuted.

Fraudulently elected candidates should also be placed under investigation.


37 posted on 08/11/2007 9:01:38 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: wideawake
Good, it turns out your guess was correct.

On another note, worse than not calling the Feds is the unbelievable actions of the judges who let this creep out on bail multiple times. It's disgusting.

38 posted on 08/11/2007 9:04:29 AM PDT by free me (Enforce the borders, then we'll talk...)
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To: FormerACLUmember

All of those sitting in tax-paid gov’t offices who allowed this scum to register/vote illegally should be prosecuted. Fraudulently elected candidates should also be placed under investigation for aiding and abetting.


39 posted on 08/11/2007 9:06:47 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: wideawake
Also check out this from another article:

Carranza is being held on $1 million bail. His lawyer, Felix Lopez Montalvo, declined to comment, but Carranza's sister said today he is innocent of the killings.

This is is third indictment and they still offer him bail?

link to article

40 posted on 08/11/2007 9:11:45 AM PDT by free me (Enforce the borders, then we'll talk...)
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To: Liz
re: Western Union should be investigated. WU is aiding in the hiding and conversion and transmission of the invaders illegal cash to legitimate funds. ALL international WU money transfers need to be filtered and siezed as necessary to stop this theft from the USA.)))

dittoes. TAX THESE REMISSIONS also.

41 posted on 08/11/2007 9:13:56 AM PDT by Mamzelle (I'll have the duck with the mango salsa...)
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To: w1andsodidwe
All elective offices are packed with lawyers protecting their turf...

This is exactly why some prisons are called "club fed".....you don't think that the "officials" in charge of making the laws are going to risk going to a real prison in payment for the frauds that they can't cover up sufficiently.

Every congressman, senator, executive dept, and justice dept "official" are a hair's breadth from prosecution and incarceration.....sometimes for nothing more than another "official" is pissed at them.

42 posted on 08/11/2007 9:20:22 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance......)
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To: Liz
come up with 15 thousand cash for bail?

I'll bet 20 bucks there's a Bondsman in this equation somewhere.

L

43 posted on 08/11/2007 9:27:06 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: Mamzelle; Lurker; Myrddin; voiceinthewind; wrench; calcowgirl; indylindy; nicmarlo; ...
.....Western Union should be investigated. WU is aiding in the hiding and conversion and transmission of the invaders illegal cash to legitimate funds. ALL international WU money transfers need to be filtered and siezed as necessary to stop this theft from the USA...... TAX THESE REMISSIONS also.

Now listen up-----from a previous Liz thread;

Wrench: Western Union is conducting a large scale money laundering operation WRT the export of this cash. The money was derived from illegal activities in this country. Western Union is aiding in the hiding and conversion of this cash to legitimate funds. ALL international WU money transfers need to be filtered and siezed as necessary to stop this theft from the USA.

LURKER: Slap an immediate 100% Federal excise tax on all wire transfers to Central and South America unless that transfer is going to a bona fide US Embassy where it will be picked up by a bona fide US citizen.

Myrddin: Deputize the Western Union employees as ICE agents. Require a green card, valid visa or proof of citizenship before performing a wire transfer. Detect and detain the illegals with a finders fee from ICE. Western Union is useful fly paper for attracting these criminals.

voiceinthewind: The Federal Reserve has a program called “Directo a Mexico”. According to the FAQ on their site, Mexico accounted for over 20 Billion, thats right, 20 Billion dollars in remittances in 2005. The Fed reassures it’s “customers” that if they are deported to Mexico they can still access their money. No proof of residency required.

voiceinthewind: Bank of America has a program called SafeSend.No fees if you are sending to Mexico.They do not require a passport or visa, they will accept the Mexican Counsulate ID, plus one other form of ID. All you need is a personal checking account with Bank of America. SafeSend program started in 2002. And credit cards for people with no social security number or credit history.

8/7/07 BUSINESS BRIEFS By AP, BLOOMBERG, REUTERS, N.Y. POST August 7, 2007 -- AMEX FINED Regulators fined two units of American Ex press Co. $65 million for failing to set up an adequate program to identify and report money laundering, federal officials said.
SOURCE http://www.nypost.com/seven/08072007/business/business_briefs_business_ap__bloomberg__reuters__n_y__post.htm

44 posted on 08/11/2007 9:33:05 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

“However, eventually citizens will defend themselves. Self defense is too basic.”

It is my considered opinion that in the not to distant future, animals like these will be hunted down and killed in the streets by outraged citizens.

Historically, that is what always happens when the government becomes too corrupt and/or ineffectual to protect the law abiding citizen.


45 posted on 08/11/2007 10:15:29 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: Liz
If this incident does not wake people up regarding the dangers of illegal immigration, I truly believe nothing will.
46 posted on 08/11/2007 10:34:02 AM PDT by goldensky
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To: free me
Good, it turns out your guess was correct.

It wasn't a guess.

County officials never alert immigration to anything - ever since the NJ State Troopers profiling "scandal" law enforcement in this state has been forbidden to inquire about any perp's immigration status: the NJ Supreme Court considers it to be a violation of the perp's civil rights.

When the sherriff's office said "apparently" that immigration knew, I recognized that he was using "plausible deniability" language.

If they actually had informed immigration, the officer would have given an incident and a date that immigration had been contacted and completely passed the buck with a sigh of relief.

That he was incapable of doing so was telling.

And no, I am not surprised that one of our corrupt judges has extended bail to this classic example of a flight risk.

47 posted on 08/11/2007 10:57:52 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
As you didn't source it when asked to, like I said good guess.

The Sheriff's office is apparently allowed to inquire into the immigration status of those in custody as they ran his social security number on Thursday after he was arrested, found out it was fake, then notified immigration.

I'm not surprised at any of it either though, NJ is a cesspool.

48 posted on 08/11/2007 11:07:52 AM PDT by free me (Enforce the borders, then we'll talk...)
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To: Liz

Let’s see...;
1) Rapes my daughter over a period of years,
2) Threatens my family if we testify,
3) Dies a certain death,
4) Harms no one thereafter!

As far as I’m concerned, the threats are an admission of guilt, and a jury is no longer necessary.
I wouldn’t wait around to see how well the police are able to provide my family with 24/7 protection.
Any action I take, following the threat, is self-defense!


49 posted on 08/11/2007 11:10:30 AM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: Liz

“For starters, Western Union should be investigated. WU is aiding in the hiding and conversion and transmission of the invaders illegal cash to legitimate funds. ALL international WU money transfers need to be filtered and siezed as necessary to stop this theft from the USA.”

B of A and Wells Fargo too!


50 posted on 08/11/2007 11:10:33 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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