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[Fred]Thompson Leads, Democrats Close in North Carolina
Angus Reid Global Monitor ^ | August 10, 2007

Posted on 08/11/2007 8:09:35 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Fred Thompson remains the favourite United States presidential contender for Republican Party backers in the Tar Heel State, according to a poll by Public Policy Polling. 30 per cent of respondents in North Carolina would support the actor and former Tennessee senator in the 2008 primary.

Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani is second with 20 per cent, followed by former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney with 12 per cent, and Arizona senator John McCain with seven per cent.

In the sample of Democratic Party supporters, former North Carolina senator John Edwards and New York senator Hillary Rodham Clinton are tied with 29 per cent each, followed by Illinois senator Barack Obama with 23 per cent.

The Democratic presidential primary in North Carolina is tentatively scheduled for Feb. 5. The Republican contest in the Tar Heel State is expected to take place on May 6.

In 2004, Edwards won the Democratic North Carolina caucus with 52 per cent of the vote, followed by Massachusetts senator John Kerry with 27 per cent, Ohio congressman Dennis Kucinich with 12 per cent, former Vermont governor Howard Dean with six per cent, and reverend Al Sharpton with three per cent.

Incumbent president George W. Bush is ineligible for a third term in office. The next U.S. presidential election is scheduled for November 2008.

Polling Data

There will be a number of people running for president in 2008 as Republicans. Some of the most talked about are Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson. If the Republican primary were today which of these men would you vote for, or would you vote for somebody else?

Aug. 2007 Jun. 2007 May 2007

Fred Thompson 30% 37% 25%

Rudy Giuliani 20% 25% 32%

Mitt Romney 12% 14% 13%

John McCain 7% 14% 16%

In the 2008 presidential race there are three Democrats in the top tier of candidates, Hillary Rodham Clinton, John Edwards and Barack Obama. If the Democratic primary were today which of these candidates would you vote for, or would you vote for a different candidate?

Aug. 2007 Jun. 2007 May 2007

John Edwards 29% 30% 33%

Hillary Rodham Clinton 29% 26% 27%

Barack Obama 23% 22% 20%

Source: Public Policy Polling Methodology: Telephone interviews to 609 likely Republican primary voters, and 659 likely Democratic primary voters in North Carolina, conducted on Aug. 1 and Aug. 2, 2007. Margin of error is 3.8 per cent.


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More good news for the next president of the United States.
1 posted on 08/11/2007 8:09:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: Politicalmom

ping


2 posted on 08/11/2007 8:12:06 AM PDT by Honeybunch ("Words are, of course, the most powerful drug used by mankind." ~Rudyard Kipling)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This comes as no surprise to North Carolina Republicans.


3 posted on 08/11/2007 8:12:26 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: TommyDale

I didn’t expect it did. If Rudy becomes the nominee, people will stay home and we will lose.


4 posted on 08/11/2007 8:13:41 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You call down 7 percentage points (~20%) “good news?” (Where is this support going, BTW?...)


5 posted on 08/11/2007 8:16:07 AM PDT by jmyrlefuller
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If Rudy becomes the nominee, people will stay home and we will lose.

Cold, hard fact.

6 posted on 08/11/2007 8:19:13 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: Constitution Day

Kakkylakky Del Norte PING.


7 posted on 08/11/2007 8:23:41 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is no evidence of that really.


8 posted on 08/11/2007 8:24:24 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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9 posted on 08/11/2007 8:37:55 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: TommyDale

I just want to know what that 7% for McCain is smoking.

Must be some good stuff.


10 posted on 08/11/2007 8:39:29 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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Fred bump!


11 posted on 08/11/2007 8:43:22 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: johnny7
"If Rudy becomes the nominee, people will stay home and we will lose".

Cold, hard fact.

As we all know, the Clintons have a track record of pushing third party candidates that help their chances. See '92 and '96 of course.

If Rudy is the nominee, look for some so-called true conservative, demagogue to be pushed in such a manner as a TP candidate.

The Rudy supporters think that they can make up for the loss of voters on the right with moderate voters. They don't realize that the gullible moderates are susceptible to Hillary propaganda and that they will vote Hillary.

12 posted on 08/11/2007 9:00:16 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: PeteB570
I just want to know what that 7% for McCain is smoking.

You, me and everyone I know can't figure out how McCain is still pulling numbers. These people must have hoarded PCP back in the 80's.

13 posted on 08/11/2007 9:08:36 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: FreeReign
They don't realize that the gullible moderates are susceptible to Hillary propaganda and that they will vote Hillary.

And they don't realize gullible conservatives will act on their exaggerated self importance, either.

14 posted on 08/11/2007 9:10:58 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: HitmanLV

conservatives act on their personal principles, not perceived self importance. liberals will not vote for a republican, rudy has no chance.


15 posted on 08/11/2007 9:14:29 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

I agree. Frankly, as it stands now, I can’t see any GOPer winning in 2008. I think the Dems will probably get 290+ EVs and maybe as high as 330+.

Hope things change, and fast, or any dem nominee will be the nex president.


16 posted on 08/11/2007 9:16:04 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: HitmanLV
They don't realize that the gullible moderates are susceptible to Hillary propaganda and that they will vote Hillary.

And they don't realize gullible conservatives will act on their exaggerated self importance, either.

Many conservatives aren't gullible and won't act in such a manner.

But you do make my point. Enough conservatives won't vote for Rudy, yes.

In the general election, Rudy's support will be sawed off on both sides...bookmark it!

17 posted on 08/11/2007 9:17:13 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: HitmanLV

glad to see you hadn’t bought into the ridiculous tripe that ONLY RUDY can beat hillary. he can’t. i think fred has a shot. it is our only hope.


18 posted on 08/11/2007 9:18:14 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: FreeReign

you are totally correct. i don’t think he will be the nominee, but if he is, we are done for.


19 posted on 08/11/2007 9:19:01 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Most of you are undoubtedly telling the pollsters the same thing(that you will not vote for Rudy). But Rudy runs better than any other GOP candidate (so he may not need you). When we consider that most of you who say they will not vote will end up voting Rudy gains a couple more points.
20 posted on 08/11/2007 9:19:45 AM PDT by bilhosty
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I hate to rain on your parade, but Fred isn’t even running.


21 posted on 08/11/2007 9:21:47 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Romney Rocks!!!)
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To: xsmommy

Politics is too complicated for that. I think of the current field, Rudy would do the best, but that’s not to say he is the only one who can beat Hilly.

I think Romney could do well, but that Mormonism causes problems for him it seems.

Honestly, I see Fred as the GOP’s Wesley Clark in that he is highly regarded and excites people before entering the race, but the bottom falls out when people get a closer look. Expect Bob Dole-like Electoral Vote counts from him in a general election, maybe cracking 200 or so.

Like I said, as it stands now, the dems win convincingly and make strong gains in the House & Senate. Who knows?


22 posted on 08/11/2007 9:22:02 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: jmyrlefuller
(Where is this support going, BTW?...)

There will be a number of people running for president in 2008 as Republicans. Some of the most talked about are Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson. If the Republican primary were today which of these men would you vote for, or would you vote for somebody else?

Aug. 2007 Jun. 2007 May 2007
Fred Thompson 30% 37% 25%
Rudy Giuliani 20% 25% 32%
Mitt Romney 12% 14% 13%
John McCain 7% 14% 16%

Yes, where is this support going....well 600 Republicans polled and in June 90% supported one of these four. But in August only 69% support one of these four. Could it be some conservatives don't like fixed polls or the media's choices on who they think is going to be President? Things not looking good for the Actor and definitely not the Suit.

23 posted on 08/11/2007 9:25:37 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Saundra Duffy
I hate to rain on your parade, but Fred isn’t even running.

We all know Romney's running. Or is he walking? Or skipping? It's hard to tell since he changes his positions so fast.

24 posted on 08/11/2007 9:26:54 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ron Paul: Doctor. Military Captain. Constitutionalist. Patriot. Devout Christian.)
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To: HitmanLV
i TOTALLY disagree with your assessment of Fred's appeal based on the people i know and their interest in him-- and that spans middle America types like my family and their friends out in the heartland areas, to the savvy political circles in DC.

rudy will not get the nomination because, contrary to the belief of jaded NYers who think his dirty laundry is common knowledge to the populace, it isn't. it will be before this campaign is over and his perceived popularity will suffer for it.

25 posted on 08/11/2007 9:27:15 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: FreeReign

I used to think conservatives were into that rugged individualism and were not gullible. Now, I see they can be as bad as liberals. Many conservatives are blamers - blaming affirmative action for their woes, for not getting a promotion, etc. More than a few conservative men on FR are hostile to women - very negative fellas, and conservatism is supposed to be positive.

Conservatives can be as much blamers as liberals - note how some continuously blame Perot for the 1992 losses to this day, in denial over the fact that a GOP incumbent president was rejected by over 62% of the electorate - it takes a good dose of denial & imagination to think Perot caused that loss, with that many people disenchanted with the GOP.

I also find conservatives to have undefined goals in many areas, and unrealistic goals in others. That they believe their own lines wholeheartedly is strong evidence of gullibility.

Conservatives at least nominally fight that instinct that liberals embrace. But the sides are more similar than they like to admit. Conservatives can embrace victimology just as much as liberals do, but at least they nominally recognize that it’s a foolish world view.


26 posted on 08/11/2007 9:28:33 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: xsmommy

I could be wrong and have adopted a wait and see attitude. I do sincerely expect Fred to underperform, but I’ve been wrong before. I think in a debate setting, he makes Hilly look quick witted, young & fresh - quite an accomplishment since she is none of the above.

Wait and see.


27 posted on 08/11/2007 9:30:02 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: billbears

Indeed, Bill.


28 posted on 08/11/2007 9:32:32 AM PDT by jmyrlefuller
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To: HitmanLV

what are their respective negatives? her’s are kind of rock-solidly in the 40% range aren’t they? i don’t expect a debate performance to turn that around. and i disagree that she would outperform him in a debate. she is shrill and pedantic at the same time.


29 posted on 08/11/2007 9:32:42 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Looks good for the unofficial candidate.

GO FRed GO!


30 posted on 08/11/2007 9:33:01 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: PeteB570
>>>>>I just want to know what that 7% for McCain is smoking.

The bigger question is, whats up with the that 20% supporting Rooty Toot. Must be sniffing glue or snorting rat poison. LOL Can't believe one in five NC Republicans are that liberal.

31 posted on 08/11/2007 9:38:23 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: xsmommy

I wouldn’t place undue faith in her negatives. In a 2-way race, which it is most likely to be, when the electorate is sour on on party, the other party directly benefits.

It’s not a race between 1 real candidate and an imaginary perfect candidate. General disdain for the GOP and a lethargic GOP candidate may be enough for Hilly to carry the day.

Frankly, I think the GOP is bottoming out, which in the long run may be a good thing. Of course, we need a long run for that to really work out. In 2002 and 2004, just about everything that could break in the direction of the GOP did break in their direction. In 2006, almost nothing did. I expect 2008 to be more like 2006 than 2002 & 2004.


32 posted on 08/11/2007 9:40:49 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: HitmanLV

it is certainly possible for her to win, i am not saying otherwise, but i do not think that she outshines fred in any way shape or form.


33 posted on 08/11/2007 9:43:43 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

Well, we know her pretty well and she isn’t nearly as bright as her press clippings suggest. She is no dummy, though. Her strength is that her basic fan-base isn’t very critical minded of her and that she may bring more women to the election than before and benefit from Bush fatigue and general disenchantment with the GOP.

Wait and see.


34 posted on 08/11/2007 9:47:15 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: HitmanLV
I wouldn’t place undue faith in her negatives. In a 2-way race, which it is most likely to be, when the electorate is sour on on party, the other party directly benefits.

I disagree. The Clinton's track record in presidential elections is clear. The DBM will promote a third party candidate that will help the Clintons.

It happened in '92, it happened in '96 and it will happen again.

35 posted on 08/11/2007 9:56:39 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Saundra Duffy

More HuffyDuffyisms.


36 posted on 08/11/2007 10:00:23 AM PDT by b9
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To: HitmanLV
Many conservatives are blamers - blaming affirmative action for their woes, for not getting a promotion, etc...

I graduated college in 1980. All the entry level jobs in my field were advertised in the newspapers as "minority only".

Government induced affirmative action is wrong and it was common at one time. You shouldn't switch the blame for that.

37 posted on 08/11/2007 10:00:31 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: HitmanLV

“Hope things change, and fast”

What’s the biggest political issue of the past four years?

Starts with I, ends with q.


38 posted on 08/11/2007 10:05:05 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (A leftist will never stand up like a man and admit his true beliefs)
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To: Politicalmom
Bump! IT'S FRED TIME!!

http://Vets4Fred.net It's time for Vets to sign up!

http://FredForPresident.com

39 posted on 08/11/2007 10:32:22 AM PDT by W04Man (I'm Now With Fred http://Vets4Fred.net)
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To: FreeReign

I personally am not against affirmative action in principle, though I am against how it is done in practice. In any event, I’ve spoken to conservatives who have convinced themselves that their lives have been derailed because of it.

That’s just the conservative side of the victim mentality. Each side has them.


40 posted on 08/11/2007 10:35:37 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: FreeReign
They don't realize that the gullible moderates are susceptible to Hillary propaganda and that they will vote Hillary

While I follow your earlier point about a third party candidate, and think that is certainly plausible under a Giulianni nomination...if what you say above is the case -- that Hillary will get the moderates -- then you might as well call off the election and coronate her right now. If Hillary gets the moderates, she wins -- absolute guarantee. There aren't enough conservative, even close to enough, to carry the election by themselves. To win, the Republicans must have both the conservatives (by a huge percentage) and a majority of the moderates. Find the guy that does that, and he'd better be the nominee or Hillary is in.

41 posted on 08/11/2007 11:08:33 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: HitmanLV
I used to think conservatives were into that rugged individualism and were not gullible. Now, I see they can be as bad as liberals.

Human nature is human nature...it doesn't change based on your political or philosophical belief system. Sometimes people are better than others at overcoming human flaws, but I'd bet that the standard deviation from the mean on that one isn't much different for liberals than for conservatives. We've all got our flaws and ghosts that haunt us. It's just that more often, conservatives -- at least those not far out on the bell curve -- acknowledge human nature, including the negative side, and support ideas or policies that take it into account (greater support for free enterprise capitalism, for example); while liberals (even those not far out on their bell curve) tend toward the idealistic denial of human nature, particularly those negative aspects (thus support for socialism and equality of results).

42 posted on 08/11/2007 11:46:55 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Saundra Duffy

“I hate to rain on your parade, but Fred isn’t even running.”


When Fred Thompson declares his candidacy, will Romney fans have any arguments in favor of the proposition that conservatives should vote for Romney? It seems to me that saying “Romney is running and Fred isn’t” won’t cut it for much longer.


43 posted on 08/11/2007 12:16:34 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: PeteB570
I lived in Arizona for several years and bought in on the McCain PWO mystique. As time went by I realized, or at least expected, the man had a mental problem. The straw that broke the camel’s back was when the formor navel pilot (that lost three aircraft) proposed a NATIONAL boxing commission. Why? It was the day after the cannibal Tyson munched up on his opponent’s ear (I’m sure Mikey was simply whispering sweet nothings to arrange a date) in Las Vegas. Dear Johnny actually though a federal law would prevent this weirdo behavior. The idiot (McCain in this case) wants to federalize everything including the air we breath.
44 posted on 08/11/2007 12:17:25 PM PDT by CHEE (Only a true victory will end the War on Terror)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

I agree with that. I have just lost faith in the classic depiction of conservatives. And as I wrote, we at least nominally call it right, even if some of us fall into that victimology now and then in order to rationalize why they aren’t where they feel they should be.


45 posted on 08/11/2007 12:36:57 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Fred Thompson is the nominee, he will be a formidible candidate. However, given the political realities, he will have to choose a running mate who is popular in a state that didn’t vote for Bush.


46 posted on 08/11/2007 2:23:55 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, that’s for sure.


47 posted on 08/11/2007 2:28:06 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Saundra Duffy
I hate to rain on your parade, but Fred isn’t even running.

Hate to rain on your parade, but when it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, it most likely is a duck.

Same with Fred, he hasn't announced because......
A) It's still early, traditionally,
b) he still has some contractual obligations that end in Sept,
c) he hasn't had to do ANY campaigning and is at the top of the polls.

Kinda hard to argue with a well thought out runup to announcement.

48 posted on 08/11/2007 4:02:26 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The combination of joy in electing a candidate I’m actually EXCITED to vote for (hasn’t happend for President since Reagan) and the utter and complete RELIEF of not having Hillary! as President will make election day 2008 one of the greatest days of my life.

I refuse to consider the alternative.


49 posted on 08/11/2007 4:17:20 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Oh, I didn’t notice. How kind of you to point that out!

I guess I’ll have to vote for who, your candidate? And that would be....

No one knows how to thing for themselves or make judgments on what is important to them, except you of course. NOT


50 posted on 08/11/2007 6:20:37 PM PDT by hoosierpearl (To God be the glory.)
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