Posted on 08/11/2007 10:12:14 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued
This time around, it seems, the people themselves, Republicans and Democrats, are living in separate Americas. I don't mean the "two Americas," rich and poor, that former senator John Edwards has made the keystone of his campaign in the Democratic primaries. Frankly, there are millions of rich Democrats and more poor Republicans.
The Times item, written by Marjorie Connelly, was a second cut at figures in an early July New York Times/CBS poll. The story reported then was about candidates, "the horse race," who's up and who's down. This week's bit was about issues -- actually, responses to the 17th question asked by the pollsters -- and it showed that Republicans and Democrats thought the election was about different issues.
That question read: "In deciding who you would like to see elected president next year, which ONE of the following issues will be most important to you?"
There were only seven choices offered by the questioners, but Republican respondents gave fundamentally different answers than Democrats.
The Republicans, in order, said "terrorism," "immigration" and the "war in Iraq." Democrats said the war, terrorism, "the economy" and "health care."
Some of the differences were striking: 31 percent of Republicans listed as probable primary voters said terrorism, but only 8 percent of Democrats did; 24 percent of Democrats listed as probable primary voters said the war, but only 15 percent of Republicans did; 22 percent of Democrats said health care, but only 6 percent of Republicans did. Immigration was chosen as the most important issue of the elections by 16 percent of Republicans, but only 6 percent of Democrats.
(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...
The dims prefer to play ‘ostrich’.
I think that the 2008 election is going to be more fraudulent than any election ever held anywhere. The “elections” held by Chavez in Venezuela and Saddam’s “elections” in Iraq will be examples of a perfect democracy in action compared to the crap we are going to see in 2008. Fraudulent voters! Start your engines!
This proves, for conservative and Republicans, that geographical balance will be more important for the Republican ticket in 2008 than it was in the past.
IMHO, some states that Bush won (New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, and Colorado) will support the Democrats next year, so Republicans will need to win a couple of Gore/Kerry states, or the White House is lost.
The election of ‘08 will make the election of ‘04 seem like a church service by comparsion.
The main stream media and Democrat Party will be completely out of control.
If you think that ‘04 was bad, wait until ‘08.
The main stream media will be inciting riots.
Conservatives will have two choices: Get run over or fight back.
And I thought the last election was bad!I don’t know if the country will ever reunite on the issues that are vital to it’s survival.I do know that if present trends continue we could find ourselves in the middle of another civil war.
It’s like the dems are living in an alternate universe where, if only we had universal socialized taxpayer-funded healthcare, all our problems would disappear. What idiots.
>IMHO, some states that Bush won (New Hampshire,
?? No, Bush LOST NH. But your point is valid.
The battleground will be in the SW and possibly the MW.
Just what is it with the liberal fixation on healthcare? Get them started on it and they become motormouths. To me it was always simple - get job, have healthcare. Don’t go in for every little thing that ails you. When I became self employed, I got enough insurance to cover hospital stays and prescriptions, but I cover normal visits to a doc myself, which are rare anyway.
Too many people just love going to the doctor. I know many folks who try and book an appointment with a specialist if they have had a cough for 2 days. Lame.
I am willing to bet that 24 years ago, only one word would have needed changing:
31 percent of Republicans listed as probable primary voters said communism, but only 8 percent of Democrats did
Fortunately, we had elected Reagan to deal with them once and for all.
Who do we have now?
I’ll rant because it’s been a hard week and I’m too tired to rave. My thinking is that the upcoming election will be yet another distraction for a middle class which is being systematically destroyed. The “uberwealthy” require the presence and availability of illegals for the low cost labor which they believe is the only way to preserve and defend their own financial assets in a world which they see as a “zero sum” Maulthusian model. The illegals are very much accustomed to living under a system of corrupt oligarchy where bribes and violence are the solution to their conflicts, so slitting your throat is just part of daily life for them. The middle class which became ascendant especially in the post-WWII prosperity has grown into a problem because of their “rising expectations” and that has become a threat to those in the class of “real money”, that is, those who live on “wealth” and not on “income”. Both sides - the money class and the illegals - see the rest of us as the impediment to their desires. An “election” of greater import occurs every time an illegal draws a paycheck.
I was thinking this morning about the so-called “crisis” in the mortgage industry, for example. I live alone in a 2.000 square foot home. Let’s suppose that I can be driven out of business and out of work and income through competition with illegals. Then I can’t meet my debt obligations, right? But, 2,000 square feet is enough for 15 or 20 low-wage production or service workers who would pool their resources to cover the mortgage and the bank wouldn’t lose out, while the “economy” would have a much larger pool of low wage workers.
Bush's 2006 SOTU; I think the reason why he is generally so calm about all the political baloney is that from where he sits, the case will be too compelling for any electable candidate to ignore. For instance, the House vote on domestic surveillance last week.
All elections are polarized. That's why we vote - no?
“All elections are polarized.”
True, but the level of polarization is higher now than in recent memory. Also notable is that only a small number of states are truly competitive now.
People in the upper strata of wealth spend a lot of their money on personal servants. Housekeepers, gardeners, chauffeurs, maids, nannies, mistresses, etc. It is in their immediate interest to have a readily available pool of low-skill, low-cost labor from which they can hire servants, and into which they can threaten to fire them if the servants are insufficiently energetic and subservient.
And that's just the primaries. Wait'll the general.
The elections next year will sell a lot of newsertainment and the lemmings in either of the two factions of our single political party will get their panties in a twist in full, foam-flecked, self-righteous indignation. However, they will be the same as all elections have been for quite a while in this country: pointless and mostly symbolic.
I actually pity the poor, deluded fools who believe they are voting to decide the fate of the nation.
As a Maryland resident, I am used to massive vote fraud, particularly in Baltimore. When it was supressed, we got a Republican governor. The DOJ fell down on the job, and the results were predictable. I also saw strong evidence that Pennsylvania went to Gore, for example, due to a highly organized vote scam.
In short, Gore/Kerry took states by fraud. But there is no bigger fraud than the RNC taking contributions and never once in the memory of living man even mentioning rampant vote fraud in Michigan, Missouri, Florida, Pennsylvania ... even Wisconsin. This of course, ignores California, where LBJ's 86 dead Mexicans have evidently multiplied by the hundreds of thousands.
That Cynthia McKinney think-alike, Donna Brazile says it best for the Democrats,
Just get me close, I'll do the rest."
Yes, I agree, of course. It’s a kind of unacknowledged “caste system” in what used to be “America”.
And if Republicans think immigration is more important and Democrats see health care as more important is that a sign of greater polarization than it would be if they both thought the same issue was most important and lined up on opposite sides?
Maybe the Republicans' anti-terrorism priority and the Democrats' anti-war priority look like that kind of head-on collision to Reeves, but even there polarization isn't as much as it was in the Vietnam era.
Sure, there are divisions and the activists on both sides hate each other, but Bush and Clinton fatigue do a lot to unite those in the middle.
Somebody has to steal their issues to win. So far Mitt is the only one.
The DoJ won’t investigate that massive Democrat fraud in places like Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Detroit, Bawlamer, et al, because the DoJ is infested with liberal rodent lawyers. Nothing to see here, just move along.
I’ll say from a historic standpoint that that theft of LBJ’s Senate race from Coke Stevenson may have been the single turning point for how the rest of the 20th century to this point played out. With no Johnson in the Senate, there would’ve been no Johnson on the ‘60 ticket to help steal the election. Nixon would’ve won outright over the JFK/Stu Symington ticket that year, and the liberation of Cuba, Vietnam, and Civil Rights would’ve all been Republican issues and victories today. And all because of one instance of vote fraud in some pissant rodent county in Texas. Ain’t that something ?
Domino effect?
Yup. Just one small ripple in the pond can create tidal waves by the time it reaches the shore.
Yep, then we all get soaked.
If that means they've lost their collective (so-called) progressive minds prior to voting - I'm jazzed!
Thomas Paine
Partisan is NOT a dirty word.
The last one ignored and thereby enabled Bin Laden - by his own words - and used the military in such ways to lead to embarrasing defeats in front of the entire world, and with Iran getting the bomb, thereby vastly increasing the chance for terrorist groups to acquire such weaps, that is not good.
And it may well turn out that flooding this country with another 25 -30 million illegals, suddenly made legal to vote democrat would be the straw that broke the back of America.
Even Bush does not see that.
I believe that future historians will see it that way if this comes to pass and again, I ask:
“Where is the politician of Reagan’s stature who will stare down and defeat such major threats, even over the objections of his own State department?
Hillary will not, and I don’t see much hope of better than her being elected in 08.
>If that means they’ve lost their collective (so-called) progressive minds prior to voting - I’m jazzed!
Clear as mud, guy
This will be one ugly election.
Get real. That actually sounds like a democrat talking point about the bad pubs beating down the poor.
The very wealthy, and I know a few, don’t give a damn about paying a maid 10 bucks vs 20 bucks. - Thats all chump change and beneath them to even bother thinking about.
And as for needing 30 million illegals to sweep their private floors and clean their private toliets, that is tripe.
One of my favorite sayings is this:
The same thing applies to the rich paying servants. They just aren’t hurt by it and they do not care.
Wrong verb.
I just meant soaked was too kind a word. I was thinking a word that rhymes with “ducked.” ;-)
well, you used the tidal wave analogy, and I was watching my language so I don’t get the boot, but I agree.
But but - without the middle class the United States would just be another...Mexico. Actually, your rant goes a long way in explaining the "terraforming" of our neighborhoods into barrios and the slow yet steady impoverishment of our middle class citizens. This makes a simplified Litmus Test: if someone defends anything promoting these circumstances they are corrupted or part of the problem.
You're getting off easy today. Next time I expect a rant AND a rave ;^ )
You’re absolutely correct, sir, and I would dearly love to rave to go along with my rant, but having had a heart attack a few months back, raving is too physically stressful anymore. Can’t listen to talk radio anymore, either. It only tells me stuff I already know from real life and gets my heart rate up - and for nothing. Our government and our other institutions like banks, etc. are all in favor of destroying us and we’re not even allowed to shoot back. In one little encounter this week, I purposely left my gun in my truck because I wasn’t entirely sure that another arrogant “no comprende” grin from this one “migrant” wouldn’t make me want to put a hole in him. I can’t go there. Well, not unless a whole lot of others were willing to go, too.
Well; that and the Illinois Daley machine.
What dost thou think of this trend toward equitable splits in states where half-R and half-D separations of territory either screws one party or the other every election?
California Ballot Measure Would Allow Split Electoral Vote, Favoring GOP Candidate
Well, not unless a whole lot of others were willing to go, too.
When the Azlan crap hits the fan for you, I’ve got your back.
After going through the 2004 election, I shudder to think of how the 2008 election will turn out.
I expect more acts of liberal fascism (which will either be denied or blamed on Republicans), more attempts to give the right to vote to those who don’t need it or deserve it (the dead, criminals, foreigners, etc), more attempts to suppress overseas votes by the military, and more BS conspiracy theories (those are the biggest headaches)...and more temper tantrums if, God willing, the Conservatives win (those are the second biggest headaches. I still have to put up with libs griping about the 2000 election).
And as far as who’s our next Ronald Reagan, Fred Thompson sounds like he comes pretty close...and he’s an actor, just like Reagan was. Could be fate or history repeating itself, eh?
But I’m quite a skeptic and so say “prove it!”
Not only will the dead be voting democrate once again but the illegals will also. They will stop at nothing to achieve thier utopian paradise. It is imperative that we start getting our act together before we loose OUR country.
Your decision to leave it in the truck after assessment (and cooling down) was wise on your part, though I suspect you are a very responsible owner who takes his ever-infringed liberties seriously. When they cut in front of me in a store line (a LOT) that oft-times put me to the test while cranking up the blood pressure. I’ve learned to shove them aside in the same rude manner and ignore their objections while finishing my transaction.
As Jim Carrey’s Riddler said in that Batman movie: “Don’t kill him! If you kill him he won’t learn nothin’!” Best to give them a dose of their own uncivilized behavior when you can and let God catch up with the situations beyond your scope. Please have a diligent rehabilitation because we need you back up to snuff!
So, basically they want someone to give them stuff.
Thank you for your kind words concerning my health, sir.
I think it’s past time for all of us to look around at those with whom we do business and take note of those who hire and/or use illegals in any way and cut them off. I am in the business of kitchen and bath remodelling and some of the contractors and renovators I run across have them all over their jobs. Mostly, they’re so short-sighted. penny-wise and pound-foolish, that they won’t pay what real service requires anyway, so I don’t really want their business anyway. What they think they save on cost on the front end they lose at least double in interest payments on the property because of the delays, but they’re too stupid, cheap and greedy to get it.
If you noticed the quality of work where that counts more to return customers than speed and expense citizen labor wins hands down. Heck; the rampant littering while these guys work on a job (despite available trash cans) should clue everyone in on how much the illegals care. When one considers the lowest bidder contracts that has dominated America’s critical infrastructure over the last thirty years I fear we’re about to see a whole lot more disasters like the Minneapolis bridge collapse.
No, no. The Daley machine alone couldn't have stolen the election for a JFK/Symington ticket in 1960, because Texas would've gone Republican along with several other Southern states, and likely the overall dynamics would've changed as a result. Remember that here in TN that we went for Nixon over Kennedy.
I'm not fully sold on that electoral split, I think it would encourage even more ruthless gerrymandering to drive down GOP numbers. If that split was done for NM, for example, in 2004, even though Dubya won the state, he only won 1 Congressional district out of 3, and so he would've gotten an overall 3 to 2 electoral vote.
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