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Yet Another Captured al-Qaeda Member Confirms UBL Had Camps In Saddam's Iraq
Flopping Aces ^ | 8-12-07 | Scott Malensk

Posted on 08/12/2007 10:49:14 AM PDT by Renfield

For those counting, this is at least the sixth confirmation of this. ABC News led the way with three reports from captured AQ and captured IIS guys immediately after the invasion. (h/t Amy Proctor)

The political rhetoric says that these camps were not in Saddam's Iraq but in the Kurdish north. What that ignores is that the camps were certainly not at all allied with the Kurds, but against them, and were acting with Saddam's help.

Politicians often try to point to Senate Intelligence Committee reports claiming there were no ties etc., but these reports are:

1. Political reports not intelligence reports.

2. The Senate Intelligence Committee is not an intelligence agency any more than Feith's Office of Special Plans was an intelligence agency

3. The claims of no ties in the Senate Intelligence Committee reports were based on a single interim DIA officer's testimony-not an intelligence investigation and subsequent conclusions

4. believe it or not....there has NEVER been a conclusive investigation done by ANY of the 16 intel agencies into whether or not there were AQ camps in Iraq prior to the invasion (read the political reports carefully, and you'll see this)

For a complete listing of the govt reports on AQ ties to Saddam's regime, please read this

My point here is that no one has really looked into this matter, but politicians have been happy to cherry pick it and push a false idea until it's accepted.

Every few months there's more and more evidence leaking out that Saddam's regime had closer ties with Al Queda than the Germans and Italians did with the Japanese (think about it, were there Japanese training camps in Bavaria and Tuscany? Were German and Italian troops in training camps in Japanese held Indochina?

By and large the news media let the world down by not adequately looking into either the Bush Administrations or the UN claims about WMD in Saddam's Iraq, and now they're doing it again by not (FIVE YEARS LATER) examining a question that's only been reported on by politicians and not by intelligence agents. So the American people and the world are left to look at the videos themselves as ABC, NBC, CBS, even Fox just won't report on the connection and adequately describe it. We're letting politicians, (professional lawyers; trained, professional liars and spinmeisters) tell us what is real and what is not depending more on their political needs than on what is fact. Why does the media parrot the political distortions rather than the truth?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaedaandiraq; binladen; iraq; prequel; saddam; syria; terrorism; trainingcamps; zaraqawi
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1 posted on 08/12/2007 10:49:16 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: All

Note: Video at Flopping Aces


2 posted on 08/12/2007 10:49:48 AM PDT by Renfield (How come there aren't any football teams with pink uniforms?)
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To: Renfield; april15Bendovr; ikez78

Ping.


3 posted on 08/12/2007 11:02:20 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: Renfield

Awesome and thank you.


4 posted on 08/12/2007 11:21:31 AM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: Renfield; SandRat; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Allegra; ..

Thanks for posting this.


5 posted on 08/12/2007 11:45:12 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Granddaughters!!!)
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To: Renfield

save


6 posted on 08/12/2007 12:02:40 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Renfield

bttt


7 posted on 08/12/2007 12:17:03 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: Renfield

Enemy Headquarters at the Democrat National Committee will do everything it its sizable power to bury this story.


8 posted on 08/12/2007 12:55:30 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for the ping .. and I have no doubt the media will either ignore this ... or barely report on it

Most of the media doesn’t care about us ... and frankly these days .. the feeling is mutual

9 posted on 08/12/2007 1:09:42 PM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Renfield
As John Adams put it, "facts are stubborn things." Two rather important ones that our leftwing/Stalinist propaganda organs have gone to extraordinary lengths to obscure or deny are:

1 An Iraqi intelligence officer met with some of the 9/11 conspirators in early 2000 in Malaysia. He greeted one of the 9/11 hijackers at the airport in Kuala Lumpur and escorted him. He subsequently disappeared after the 9/11 kickoff meeting.

2 Mohammed Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence agent in April of 2001 in Prague. Czech intelligence is certain it was Atta while the CIA disputes it. Keep in mind the CIA's track record and its internal politics when they dispute this meeting ever occurred.

A reasonable person can draw a very strong inference from those facts.

Interestingly, TWA flight 800 was shot down on July 17th, the anniversary of the founding of the Iraqi Baath party. The Iraqi role in the 1993 WTC bombing is well known. Just a series of incidents whose cumulative odds point toward Iraq and Saddam Hussein having a very active sponsoring and operational role in the 9/11 attacks. The US had no choice but to remove him.
10 posted on 08/12/2007 1:17:15 PM PDT by KamperKen
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To: Renfield

bttt


11 posted on 08/12/2007 1:20:32 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Renfield

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.


12 posted on 08/12/2007 1:25:23 PM PDT by Shelayne (I will continue to pray for President Bush and my country, as I am commanded to do by my Lord.)
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To: Renfield

Every few months there’s more and more evidence leaking out that Saddam’s regime had closer ties with Al Queda

I never had any doubt.


13 posted on 08/12/2007 1:31:11 PM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: Renfield

You damn people are ruining my plans

14 posted on 08/12/2007 1:36:59 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Renfield

bump


15 posted on 08/12/2007 1:44:01 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: KamperKen

Shot Down???? Gee, I wonder why we never learned of THAT happening??? [uber,gobby-oozing sarcasm off]


16 posted on 08/12/2007 2:51:48 PM PDT by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: jveritas

I was going to post this but I am not at home and didn’t have my PING list. I”ll be doing something on this. Goes nicely with your video Joseph.


17 posted on 08/12/2007 3:00:20 PM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com)
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To: ikez78

Correct Mark. The Al Qaeda video “The Return to the Mountains” ( not my video :) ) fits the story very well.


18 posted on 08/12/2007 3:15:44 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Ping


19 posted on 08/12/2007 4:34:07 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: april15Bendovr

Great news.


20 posted on 08/12/2007 4:35:49 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Democrats have plenty of patience for anti-American dictators but none for Iraqi democrats.)
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To: jveritas; future F22 pilot; All

Joseph I provided a link to future f22 pilot and my Salman Pak video over at Flopping Aces.

It ties in very well

Thank you for the ping


21 posted on 08/12/2007 5:35:31 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: april15Bendovr

It ties in very well indeed.


22 posted on 08/12/2007 5:36:21 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: Rameumptom; mnehrling; SJackson; weegee; texanyankee; 1035rep; roses of sharon; SoldierDad; ...

PING with a follow up on Scott’s piece here

http://regimeofterror.com/archives/2007/08/detainee_talks_of_terror_camp_1/


23 posted on 08/13/2007 9:49:03 AM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com)
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To: ikez78

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 08/13/2007 9:52:27 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ikez78
Mark

As usual, an excellent article.

25 posted on 08/13/2007 9:58:43 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: Renfield
I'm sure Paula Zahn will be all over this. /s
Right after her obligitory race-baiting segment
26 posted on 08/13/2007 9:58:46 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: KamperKen
An Iraqi intelligence officer met with some of the 9/11 conspirators in early 2000

That would be Lt. Col. Ahmed Hitmak Shakir who attended the 9/11 planning meeting in Kuala Lumpur. He was apparently arrested in Jordan while returning to Iraq. Saddam publicly complained and the CIA, trying to avoid bad PR on US Iraq policy, convinced the Jordanians to release him. Nice, huh?

I don't think Saddam kept Mr. Smoking Gun around too long.
27 posted on 08/13/2007 10:06:39 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; George W. Bush

ping

just about the one zillionth bit of intel saying that UBL and Iraq were linked.

How many Americans will an aerosol can of VX kill if released at a windy Rose Bowl given that one micro-droplet can kill a human.?


28 posted on 08/13/2007 10:25:46 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Renfield

BTTT!


29 posted on 08/13/2007 10:32:35 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ikez78

Thanks for the ping, ikez78.


30 posted on 08/13/2007 10:32:36 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("Surely we can talk about this!" Theo Van Gogh)
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To: ikez78

Thanks for the ping.


31 posted on 08/13/2007 10:45:37 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: ikez78

Thanks for the PING!


32 posted on 08/13/2007 11:28:18 AM PDT by Shelayne (I will continue to pray for President Bush and my country, as I am commanded to do by my Lord.)
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To: april15Bendovr; nw_arizona_granny; DAVEY CROCKETT; Velveeta; milford421; Cindy; backhoe; ...

Ping to the report at FloppingAces RE: Saddam & Al Qaeda...

Is this the post you were referring to on that other thread April15Bendover? (o:


33 posted on 08/13/2007 11:37:24 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com)
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To: xzins
just about the one zillionth bit of intel saying that UBL and Iraq were linked.

So did the terrorist say this before or after he was waterboarded? Was he present at the camps? Can he prove it or provide any evidenc?

Look at SmokingAces idea of "proof" here. What does WW II have to do with Iraq?
Every few months there's more and more evidence leaking out that Saddam's regime had closer ties with Al Queda than the Germans and Italians did with the Japanese (think about it, were there Japanese training camps in Bavaria and Tuscany? Were German and Italian troops in training camps in Japanese held Indochina?
How many Americans will an aerosol can of VX kill if released at a windy Rose Bowl given that one micro-droplet can kill a human.?

Got me. Is Saddam behind the VX too?

If the evidence is there, then why won't Bush/Powell/Rice just present that evidence and stand by it publicly?
34 posted on 08/13/2007 2:03:53 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: Renfield

Damnit. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the rest of the Dems said there were no terrorists in Iraq before we invaded. How many times, a la Goebbles, do they have to repeat it before you believe? sarc/


35 posted on 08/13/2007 2:06:14 PM PDT by sappy
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To: George W. Bush

Why the administration hasn’t stood behind these things absolutely befuddles me. They have gone out of their way to disassociate themselves with evidence of Iraq/Al Qaeda links and of WMD recipes, when they should have broadcast them loudly.

Cheney did finally line up with the Iraq/Al Qaeda links this past year.

It is absolutely true that they existed. Are you aware that Iraq, Iran, Syria met with the major terrorist organizations on a regular basis as late as Feb 2001 at the Beirut Conference?

It’s just a matter of record: reported in Time, Newsweek, CNN, etc.

I imagine they simply discussed dinner and dancing girls. Field theory says that if you can demonstrate regular proximity, then you can predict likelihood of contact.


36 posted on 08/13/2007 2:11:53 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: ikez78

Thanks a lot!

For those who never understood, still don’t understand and may yet never understand why we had to rid Iraq of Saddam’s reign of terror and why it is so important to our security and freedom and security and freedom of millions of people in the Middle East and elsewhere that we stay there and fight, capture and get intelligence like this one from al-Qaeda and their fellow jihadists - this is but one of many proofs.

Thanks you guys for doing this - the movies and other visuals of these interviews are not only going to convince people who are on the fence now because of not having such information, but possibly those who will feel betrayed by their politicians lying to them about what was really going on in Iraq and Saddam’s ties with al-Qaeda and UBL. And it will make it easy to explain instead of trying to explain or get them to “connect the dots” from reading the bits and pieces of the connections between the axis of evil.


37 posted on 08/13/2007 2:17:36 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: ikez78; Renfield; Ernest_at_the_Beach; jveritas; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; ...

38 posted on 08/13/2007 2:59:27 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: MaxMax

Post #14 LOLOLOLOL


39 posted on 08/13/2007 3:44:39 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: xzins
Why the administration hasn’t stood behind these things absolutely befuddles me. They have gone out of their way to disassociate themselves with evidence of Iraq/Al Qaeda links and of WMD recipes, when they should have broadcast them loudly.

I think at certain point they decided not to belabor the point because it was useless - the media and Democrats would simply keep repeating their "Big Lie" line.

Most normal people then were convinced that going in to remove Saddam was the right choice, as they have been before the invasion. The polls that may suggest that people now think removing Saddam and invading Iraq was not the right thing to do are usually a reflection of deliberately misleading poll questions and general disappointment and fatigue with "The Long War" that they hear "we are not winning", rather than any change of original opinion based on new "facts".

So Bush people likely decided that it's more important to convince people of importance of staying and "winning in Iraq" than to dwell on the reasons for going in. If things go well in Iraq, most people will be for going into Iraq in the first place, if things are still perceived as not going well, most people will say they are/were against invasion in Iraq. In other words, I think they decided to pick the battles they can win, and the PR battle will then (later?) take care of itself, based on situation in Iraq.

40 posted on 08/13/2007 3:54:15 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: xzins
No doubt the Beirut Conference was attended by terrorist organizations. But not by major al-Qaeda figures. Hizbollah, Fatah/Hamas/PLO, various anti-Israel elements do gather and mingle regularly. But that doesn't prove that al-Qaeda is connected with them or with another tiresome bunch of Jew-haters and terrorism advocates in Beirut.

The general consensus is that the Beirut Conference was Iran's attempt to build support for mutual-support efforts and access for Hizbollah to Lebanon and to build up Hizbollah's leadership within anti-Israel efforts. Iran wants this access/leadership in Lebanon both for terrorism against Israel as well as a possible war-fighting forward base.
41 posted on 08/13/2007 3:58:17 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: George W. Bush

CNN reported al Qaeda being there. Not sure who the names of those involved was though.


42 posted on 08/13/2007 4:19:14 PM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com)
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To: ikez78

BTTT


43 posted on 08/13/2007 5:11:04 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: George W. Bush

Answers to your questions can be found here in these threads.

http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/04/18/saddams-ties-to-al-quedadebunk/index.html

http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/08/06/a-few-months-back-there/

http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/08/08/the-second-series-in-the/index.html

Ask Scott in the comment section of FA and he will provide you with tons of evidence.


44 posted on 08/13/2007 5:19:43 PM PDT by Starman417
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To: ikez78

A nicely penned article to hopefully catch the eyes of those not yet onboard with the indisputable facts that Saddam was fully engaged at various levels in terrorism.


45 posted on 08/13/2007 5:29:04 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Hunter in 2008)
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To: George W. Bush

The article specifically mentioned that Al-Qaeda was in attendance.

This is a fact.


46 posted on 08/13/2007 5:46:44 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve; ntnychik

Lol, love your sense of humor Phil!!


47 posted on 08/13/2007 5:53:32 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_))
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To: ikez78

Thank you for the ping ikez!


48 posted on 08/13/2007 5:55:51 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_))
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To: ikez78; Renfield; conservatism_IS_compassion

Thanks very much for the ping and your link Mark. Thanks for the post Renfield. Ping.


49 posted on 08/13/2007 8:06:55 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: MaxMax

Thanks for keeping the spotlight on Harry POS Reid.


50 posted on 08/13/2007 8:08:41 PM PDT by PGalt
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