Yet Another Captured al-Qaeda Member Confirms UBL Had Camps In Saddam's Iraq

Flopping Aces ^ | 8-12-07 | Scott Malensk

[Renfield]

For those counting, this is at least the sixth confirmation of this. ABC News led the way with three reports from captured AQ and captured IIS guys immediately after the invasion. (h/t Amy Proctor)

The political rhetoric says that these camps were not in Saddam's Iraq but in the Kurdish north. What that ignores is that the camps were certainly not at all allied with the Kurds, but against them, and were acting with Saddam's help.

Politicians often try to point to Senate Intelligence Committee reports claiming there were no ties etc., but these reports are:

1. Political reports not intelligence reports.

2. The Senate Intelligence Committee is not an intelligence agency any more than Feith's Office of Special Plans was an intelligence agency

3. The claims of no ties in the Senate Intelligence Committee reports were based on a single interim DIA officer's testimony-not an intelligence investigation and subsequent conclusions

4. believe it or not....there has NEVER been a conclusive investigation done by ANY of the 16 intel agencies into whether or not there were AQ camps in Iraq prior to the invasion (read the political reports carefully, and you'll see this)

For a complete listing of the govt reports on AQ ties to Saddam's regime, please read this

My point here is that no one has really looked into this matter, but politicians have been happy to cherry pick it and push a false idea until it's accepted.

Every few months there's more and more evidence leaking out that Saddam's regime had closer ties with Al Queda than the Germans and Italians did with the Japanese (think about it, were there Japanese training camps in Bavaria and Tuscany? Were German and Italian troops in training camps in Japanese held Indochina?

By and large the news media let the world down by not adequately looking into either the Bush Administrations or the UN claims about WMD in Saddam's Iraq, and now they're doing it again by not (FIVE YEARS LATER) examining a question that's only been reported on by politicians and not by intelligence agents. So the American people and the world are left to look at the videos themselves as ABC, NBC, CBS, even Fox just won't report on the connection and adequately describe it. We're letting politicians, (professional lawyers; trained, professional liars and spinmeisters) tell us what is real and what is not depending more on their political needs than on what is fact. Why does the media parrot the political distortions rather than the truth?

[april15Bendovr]

Joseph I provided a link to future f22 pilot and my Salman Pak video over at Flopping Aces.

It ties in very well

Thank you for the ping

[jveritas]

It ties in very well indeed.

[ikez78]

PING with a follow up on Scott’s piece here

http://regimeofterror.com/archives/2007/08/detainee_talks_of_terror_camp_1/

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[jveritas]

Mark

As usual, an excellent article.

[eyedigress]

I'm sure Paula Zahn will be all over this. /s
Right after her obligitory race-baiting segment

[Thrownatbirth]

An Iraqi intelligence officer met with some of the 9/11 conspirators in early 2000

That would be Lt. Col. Ahmed Hitmak Shakir who attended the 9/11 planning meeting in Kuala Lumpur. He was apparently arrested in Jordan while returning to Iraq. Saddam publicly complained and the CIA, trying to avoid bad PR on US Iraq policy, convinced the Jordanians to release him. Nice, huh?

I don't think Saddam kept Mr. Smoking Gun around too long.

[xzins]

ping

just about the one zillionth bit of intel saying that UBL and Iraq were linked.

How many Americans will an aerosol can of VX kill if released at a windy Rose Bowl given that one micro-droplet can kill a human.?

[Salvation]

BTTT!

[T. Buzzard Trueblood]

Thanks for the ping, ikez78.

[Bahbah]

Thanks for the ping.

[Shelayne]

Thanks for the PING!

[LibertyRocks]

Ping to the report at FloppingAces RE: Saddam & Al Qaeda...

Is this the post you were referring to on that other thread April15Bendover? (o:

[George W. Bush]

just about the one zillionth bit of intel saying that UBL and Iraq were linked.

So did the terrorist say this before or after he was waterboarded? Was he present at the camps? Can he prove it or provide any evidenc?

Look at SmokingAces idea of "proof" here. What does WW II have to do with Iraq?

Every few months there's more and more evidence leaking out that Saddam's regime had closer ties with Al Queda than the Germans and Italians did with the Japanese (think about it, were there Japanese training camps in Bavaria and Tuscany? Were German and Italian troops in training camps in Japanese held Indochina?

How many Americans will an aerosol can of VX kill if released at a windy Rose Bowl given that one micro-droplet can kill a human.?

Got me. Is Saddam behind the VX too?

If the evidence is there, then why won't Bush/Powell/Rice just present that evidence and stand by it publicly?

[sappy]

Damnit. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the rest of the Dems said there were no terrorists in Iraq before we invaded. How many times, a la Goebbles, do they have to repeat it before you believe? sarc/

[xzins]

Why the administration hasn’t stood behind these things absolutely befuddles me. They have gone out of their way to disassociate themselves with evidence of Iraq/Al Qaeda links and of WMD recipes, when they should have broadcast them loudly.

Cheney did finally line up with the Iraq/Al Qaeda links this past year.

It is absolutely true that they existed. Are you aware that Iraq, Iran, Syria met with the major terrorist organizations on a regular basis as late as Feb 2001 at the Beirut Conference?

It’s just a matter of record: reported in Time, Newsweek, CNN, etc.

I imagine they simply discussed dinner and dancing girls. Field theory says that if you can demonstrate regular proximity, then you can predict likelihood of contact.

[CutePuppy]

Thanks a lot!

For those who never understood, still don’t understand and may yet never understand why we had to rid Iraq of Saddam’s reign of terror and why it is so important to our security and freedom and security and freedom of millions of people in the Middle East and elsewhere that we stay there and fight, capture and get intelligence like this one from al-Qaeda and their fellow jihadists - this is but one of many proofs.

Thanks you guys for doing this - the movies and other visuals of these interviews are not only going to convince people who are on the fence now because of not having such information, but possibly those who will feel betrayed by their politicians lying to them about what was really going on in Iraq and Saddam’s ties with al-Qaeda and UBL. And it will make it easy to explain instead of trying to explain or get them to “connect the dots” from reading the bits and pieces of the connections between the axis of evil.

[PhilDragoo]

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Post #14 LOLOLOLOL

[CutePuppy]

Why the administration hasn’t stood behind these things absolutely befuddles me. They have gone out of their way to disassociate themselves with evidence of Iraq/Al Qaeda links and of WMD recipes, when they should have broadcast them loudly.

I think at certain point they decided not to belabor the point because it was useless - the media and Democrats would simply keep repeating their "Big Lie" line.

Most normal people then were convinced that going in to remove Saddam was the right choice, as they have been before the invasion. The polls that may suggest that people now think removing Saddam and invading Iraq was not the right thing to do are usually a reflection of deliberately misleading poll questions and general disappointment and fatigue with "The Long War" that they hear "we are not winning", rather than any change of original opinion based on new "facts".

So Bush people likely decided that it's more important to convince people of importance of staying and "winning in Iraq" than to dwell on the reasons for going in. If things go well in Iraq, most people will be for going into Iraq in the first place, if things are still perceived as not going well, most people will say they are/were against invasion in Iraq. In other words, I think they decided to pick the battles they can win, and the PR battle will then (later?) take care of itself, based on situation in Iraq.