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What if the killer of the Newark 3 had been a White Male?
12 August 2008 | trueblackman

Posted on 08/12/2007 11:13:13 AM PDT by Trueblackman

I pose the following questions after the whitewashing of the fact that the ringleader who took part in last week's shooting was an illegal.

Freepers why was this guy let go by not one but two judges?

Why was he in this country for 16 years as illegally?

Where the hell are Jackson and Sharpton on this one, if this had fact been 4 Whites or Police Officers, the City of Newark would be bracing for riots and ever Black Leader would be in front of a mic claiming; "No justice No Peace."

If the killers had been White, reporters would been questioning President Bush on what actions will he take to conduct a federal investigation, the Democrats would put the Congressional Black Caucus out there to tear down and blame Bush and the Department of Justice for not protecting this kids from a racist police force or (Conservative)White(Republicans). The leading Republican Candidates would be questions about the case as well, while the Democrats would be looking to score brownie points.

Unlike with the Don Imus case which received 24 news coverage for 5 days, barely a peep has been said about this case. In the Imus Case at least he did not shoot 4 people and kill 3.

Finally, Where are those who called us Conservatives "racist," for opposing amnesty for illegals?

These were good kids from the right side of the tracks either in College or looking to go to College, but because of the failure of local, state and federal government, 3 will not realize that dream.

The shootings and the resulting deaths shows that the press will simply bury a story when it does not fit its template, so it will not be covered outside of a few soundbites.


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1 posted on 08/12/2007 11:13:15 AM PDT by Trueblackman
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If they’d been white males? Well, just consider the Duke rape fiasco, multiply it times a hundred, and you’ll get some idea.

Also, I have a feeling that in the African American community isn’t as sanguine about this as the press would like us to believe. The press is just too scared to broach the subject.


2 posted on 08/12/2007 11:18:07 AM PDT by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: Trueblackman

THAT would be a “hate crime” .


3 posted on 08/12/2007 11:20:08 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: jim35

Another question: will this be prosecuted as a hate crime? Or, absent a white male accused, is hate not part of this event?


4 posted on 08/12/2007 11:20:53 AM PDT by trimom
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To: Trueblackman

the usual race-pimps DO NOT DARE to run the risk of being merely objective, let alone critical when there is the slightest possibility of another racial group turning exactly their own tactics upon them......while they rule with hypocrisy, they must also be slave to it.


5 posted on 08/12/2007 11:23:09 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Trueblackman

You got it, shipmate. 100% correct.


6 posted on 08/12/2007 11:26:46 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: Trueblackman
They're only here to do the jobs Americans won't do.

The president said so.

7 posted on 08/12/2007 11:28:28 AM PDT by ConservativeofColor
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To: jim35
As a white female, living in NJ, I am genuinely angered by the murders of the three college students.

What the heck is wrong with the politicians and judges in this frickin state? The sanctuary state that they have created in their unrelenting drive for ablosute Democratic party rule will come back to bite every single NJ resident.

Disgusted in NJ...

8 posted on 08/12/2007 11:28:52 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (I will respect illegal aliens civil rights, when they respect the sovereignty of the US!)
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To: Trueblackman

“What if the killer of the Newark 3 had been a White Male?”

I cast another vote for “HATE CRIME”

Because as an Oklahoman that spent 1995-2005 in West Los Angeles,
I know from reading the Holy Secular Scriptures (The Los Angeles Times)...
there would be no question that this was a hate crime.

And even the LA Times Liberal Columnists would be saying (in so many
words):
“I’m viscerally opposed to the unfair death penalty. But since California
law allows for the use in repugnant crimes...this time I’m calling
for the LA DA to go for the death penalty”.

Of course the subtext is “Whitey should ALWAYS get the needle if he
kills a “person of color”; the reverse ALWAYS requires mercy, a short
sentence and commutation...
if you take the reasoning of the LA Times columnists to their
logical end


9 posted on 08/12/2007 11:28:53 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Trueblackman
The black community is being told by their leaders that they have to embrace illegal immigrants.

Which explains why the officials in Newark are bending over backwards pointing out that this was not a bias crime.

10 posted on 08/12/2007 11:32:50 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Trueblackman

In this case, I’m tempted to follow the liberal path and blame someone like: President Bush and Congress - mostly white men!

I won’t do it, I won’t blame them for murders someone else committed, but I’m tempted.


11 posted on 08/12/2007 11:34:31 AM PDT by donna (Equal justice for U.S. citizens!)
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Freepers why was this guy let go by not one but two judges?

Judges that are liberal Democrats AND/OR appointed by Democrats.


Why was he in this country for 16 years as illegally?

Because he could be.
Thanks to the Democrats in New Jersey that vote "illegal enablers"
into office...because they vote Democrat.

Why be a criminal in a sucky country like Peru?
When you can clean up in a country like the USA?
And probably never be shot, tortured or summarily executed by
law enforcement/paramilitary groups?

To borrow from the DiTech commercial about their borrowers:
Criminals coming to the USA ARE SMART. They go where there are
low barriers to entry, corrupt infratructure (government/bidness) and
fewer downsides.
12 posted on 08/12/2007 11:34:51 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Trueblackman

Has a white man ever executed three black men and attempted to kill a black woman?


13 posted on 08/12/2007 11:35:26 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.")
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
while they rule with hypocrisy, they must also be slave to it.

Great tag line in there

14 posted on 08/12/2007 11:37:24 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("I fear we have woken a sleeping giant and filled her with a terrible resolve" - Osama 9-11-01?)
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To: VOA

“They go where there are
low barriers to entry, corrupt infratructure (government/bidness) and
fewer downsides.”

DUNCAN HUNTER ‘08

The ONLY candidate who has promised he will effectively secure our borders in 6 months!


15 posted on 08/12/2007 11:39:20 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: Trueblackman
Has anything been established as to any gang affiliation, like MS13?
16 posted on 08/12/2007 11:41:09 AM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Trueblackman

White Male Hypothetical:
Agreed: House and Senate hearings and Circus like “Hate-Crime” Outcry. FBI - Attorney General “Hate Crime” investigations. Whole slew of Race baiting Org’s chime in n get 24/7 “Hate Crime” Media Coverage. The whole “Hate Crime” industry would go into overdrive. Just for starters.

Given that these illegal invader killers are Hispanic this story is getting buried by the mainstream media and especially ignored by Dems.


17 posted on 08/12/2007 11:41:17 AM PDT by GoShow
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To: Doc91678

Nope and I have been wondering that and thanks to all the Freepers who had the balls to take this Thread on.


18 posted on 08/12/2007 11:42:35 AM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: Kimberly GG
The ONLY candidate who has promised he will effectively secure our borders in 6 months!

ok......

that kook Ron Paul takes it further

Border Security and Immigration Reform The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked.

This is my six point plan:

Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.

No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.

No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.

End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.

Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

19 posted on 08/12/2007 11:44:55 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (prov 30:33)
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To: Kimberly GG

Hunter is my guy as well, met him at the San Diego Freedom Concert.


20 posted on 08/12/2007 11:47:46 AM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: jim35

What was the ethnicity of the murdered women?


21 posted on 08/12/2007 11:48:51 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: Ken522

I heard they were all Black.


22 posted on 08/12/2007 11:50:13 AM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: Trueblackman

This case is just another example of the hypocrisy of the liberal press and politicians/apologists.

They look at the ethnicity of the perps and the victims, then make their decisions on coverage . . .how much and in what manner.

This is a classic Catch-22 that exposes them for who they really are.


23 posted on 08/12/2007 11:51:24 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Trueblackman
The killer was white. Kevin, you haven't real depths of seen anti-black racism if you haven't been in Latin America.

(Not counting the Carribean, and certain land communities bordering on that sea.)

24 posted on 08/12/2007 11:52:48 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Trueblackman
The Reverend Jackson, was too busy talking about Barry Bonds and Black on Black murders today on his radio show.

White gun makers and gun dealers are selling gun to people, so they can kill blacks males. Feds cut funding for after school programs ect, ect.

25 posted on 08/12/2007 11:53:05 AM PDT by Springman (Why is ? coming up, when I use ')
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To: Trueblackman

Aren’t Hispanics Caucasians? Hispanic is ethnicity, not race.


26 posted on 08/12/2007 11:54:34 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: bvw

BTDT


27 posted on 08/12/2007 11:57:16 AM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
“Aren’t Hispanics Caucasians? Hispanic is ethnicity, not race.”

ANother Inconvenient fact that doesn’t fit the media template; if they are white they can’t be victims and the media loves victims.

28 posted on 08/12/2007 11:59:18 AM PDT by SeaWolf (Orwell must have foreseen the 21st Century US Congress when he wrote 1984)
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To: Trueblackman
You know what Kevin, you raise a very valid point. Changing the situation around to fit the liberal MSM template/narrative of their distorted view of reality would create another racial maelstorm fed by the usual suspects.

This case makes me want to scream its so heinous.

29 posted on 08/12/2007 12:04:22 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Trueblackman

Hispanics are hostile but guilt-free on the issue of blacks. Only the whites have enough guilt to be amenable to the extortion practiced by Sharpton and Jackson.


30 posted on 08/12/2007 12:08:46 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: Trueblackman
If the victims were white what do you think the response would have been?
31 posted on 08/12/2007 12:11:24 PM PDT by SgtSki
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To: expatpat
Only the whites have enough guilt to be amenable to the extortion practiced by Sharpton and Jackson.,

Absolutely, the power is in the guilt.

32 posted on 08/12/2007 12:12:11 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Trueblackman

The usual race-card players have been maintaining that the (relative) lack of press this case has been getting is the result of the victims being black. ....the old “no one cares about black victims” take. (Geraldo made this idiotic point the other day on FNC). The reality, of course, is that any lack of press is entirely the result of the perps not being white.


34 posted on 08/12/2007 12:13:18 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo (There are four types of homicide: felonious, accidental, justifiable, and praiseworthy)
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If it had been white, this would be the #1 story on all the networks for weeks. da revs JJ and AL would be raking in the money.


35 posted on 08/12/2007 12:16:06 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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Where the hell are Jackson and Sharpton on this one...

They're kissing up to the illegals. They realize that Hispanics are going to be the majority in this country very soon, pushing blacks even farther down on the totem pole. They hope to ride on the Hispanics' coattails. They hope that "blacks and browns" can unite to fight against whitey.

I think they are in for a very unpleasant surprise.

36 posted on 08/12/2007 12:19:17 PM PDT by Nea Wood (I'm not a bad Christian because I refuse to join you in giving other people's stuff away.)
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Hey Sharptounge, is all for vigilante lynchings, as long as they are the "oppressed" doing the mayhem.

Rev, what do you bring?
Do you bring peace?
Do you bring understanding?
Do you bring acceptance?
Do you bring forgiveness?

Well we now know who you really work for dont we!!!! Here's a hint it aint the Prince of Peace!

37 posted on 08/12/2007 12:19:47 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("What's not to learn? Don't trust mice. Cats are made of glass.."Herschel Pinkus Yerucham Krustofski)
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What if the killer of the Newark 3 had been a White Male?

Then black children/young people would be getting extra protection right now.

38 posted on 08/12/2007 12:20:10 PM PDT by papertyger
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What if the killer of the Newark 3 had been a White Male?

If whites shot four blacks execution style, and killed 3 of them?

Instead of illegal aliens?

It would be on every television channel, every news station, on the front page of every newspaper for days...It would be on the cover of Time Magazine and the news on this wouldn't stop weeks on end.

39 posted on 08/12/2007 12:20:17 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Trueblackman
We should not be afraid to ask these questions.

Under "improved" hate crime laws, I'd need hours of rehab/reeducation just for reading the title.

:)

40 posted on 08/12/2007 12:21:04 PM PDT by M203M4 (Vote conservatism in 2008 - vote to defend the US Constitution.)
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To: SgtSki

No news coverage at all.


41 posted on 08/12/2007 12:22:03 PM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: Trueblackman

Illegals get a free pass, it seems.


42 posted on 08/12/2007 12:23:48 PM PDT by humblegunner (Word up!)
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Newark huh....?

Just another failed liberal social policy of populating federally funded tenements for poverty level, low scale workers and welfare recipients. But now the tenements have new tenets, hiding among the ignored and denigrated recipients of liberal ideals.

Of course the Black Caucus and the media are going ignore this. It took place in a liberal sanctuary, their idea of home town America.

This event got a moment's notice because the kids were college students. If they'd have been poor black kids, no one would have heard of it. The murders were committed by an illegal, the new denizen of the liberal home town filling vacancies made available by those who are leaving......finally leaving the liberal political prison.

God bless and keep their souls and may God comfort their families.
43 posted on 08/12/2007 12:30:58 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: Trueblackman

What if the killers of that CT family had been black?


44 posted on 08/12/2007 12:32:18 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Trueblackman

Two judges -— and this illegal had been before one of them before. Since his lawyer was the one who declared him “undocumented” — did the lawyer not tell this judge that fact on the prior offence?

Something stinks!


45 posted on 08/12/2007 12:33:22 PM PDT by Exit148 (Founder of the Loose Change Club. Every nickle and dime counts!!)
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To: Trueblackman

It would have been a gun ownership issue.


46 posted on 08/12/2007 12:34:57 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Say Cheese.)
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To: Trueblackman

Saw your speech before Memorial Day—fantastic

It’s really simple:
FOLLOW THE MONEY.

In easy math, an american worker HAS TO earn about 40 or more dollars per hour just to survive. Especially if he has a family. Most families have both Mom and Dad working to make house and car Payments, plus those damn little incidents of maintenance or items “Not Covered” by health care.

An Illegal will work for $10 to $15 an hour.
Who pays that difference? The Taxpayers. Wealthy Employers are getting an unwritten subsidy.

Secondly, the Aficiandos of Illegals have developed highly charged emotional issues to make Americans feel guilty:
How can you send Mom back to where-ever when son is about to graduate from high school?
Crops are rotting in the field, and lettuce will cost $50 a head if we deport them.
Julio has been here 5 years—now he has a debilitating disease—how can we send him home?

IGNORED:
A good percentage of Illegals are wanted criminals in their own country.
They bring in Chagas, TB, Encephalitis, and diseases we thought we eliminated.


47 posted on 08/12/2007 12:37:02 PM PDT by radar101 (Duncan Hunter-The only possibility)
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Jose Lachira Carranza, a 28-year-old illegal immigrant from Peru

Lachira Carranza’s lawyer, Felix Lopez Montalvo, said the defendant does not have a Social Security number and is in the United States illegally.

“My client has no documentation,” Lopez Montalvo.

Jose Lachira Carranza entered his plea in Spanish in Essex County Superior Court.

Court records show that Lachira Carranza already faced charges stemming from a bar fight last fall and was indicted as Jose Lachira on a charge of raping a young girl

Family members and friends had given Mr. Carranza, an illegal immigrant from Peru, the nickname Shaka Zulu, after the African warrior

******

Four friends — Iofemi Hightower, 20; Dashon Harvey, 20; Natasha Aeriel, 19; and Natasha’s brother Terrance Aeriel, 18 — had been listening to music and joking around behind Mount Vernon School on Saturday night. Authorities said that around 11:30, they sensed menace from others in the schoolyard and text-messaged one another that it was time to go home.

Instead, soon Natasha Aeriel was shot near the ear. Amid apparent struggle, the others were lined up at gunpoint against a low wall, shot in the head and killed.

Photos of the students:

http://tinyurl.com/2vt5dm


48 posted on 08/12/2007 12:37:38 PM PDT by kcvl
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I have asked myself this question several times over the past few days. The only answer I can come up with is that the usual race baiters would show up and rile the crowds to the best of their ability.

However, as I've thought about it further, I'm glad that the right reverends haven't shown up to do their thing. They aggravate the life out of me every time they incite unrest. I would love to believe that they have finally learned how not to act, but I fear that the very next time the media reports on a white killing a black that it will be business as usual.

Thank you for opening this discussion. May we all remember the victims and their families in our prayers.

49 posted on 08/12/2007 12:42:04 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde
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Freepers why was this guy let go by not one but two judges?

If a white guy had been arrested for the same crimes, he would likely have made bail. That's not the issue here. The issue is that as an illegal facing deportation, it was pretty close to a foregone conclusion that he would skip, and he should have been held without bail.

Why was he in this country for 16 years as illegally?

Just molesting the children Americans wouldn't molest.

There's no good answer for that one. He might have stayed below the radar for 15 of those 16 years, but once caught and in custody for a serious crime, he should never have been granted bail. Aren't judges supposed to consider risk of flight? Isn't there abundant empirical evidence that illegals released on bail don't show up for trial? "Dog" Chapman can't track down all of them.

Where the hell are Jackson and Sharpton on this one,

Honestly, I haven't heard from either of them in a few years. I don't know much about Newark Mayor Cory Booker, other than that he's black and a Democrat, but in this case, he's acted sanely and responsibly.

Sharpton, Jackson or any other rabble-rousers would have get involved over the mayor's strenuous objections, which wouldn't do them or the community any good. They might not give two s---s about the community, but the first part is a calculation they can make without pencil or paper.

if this had fact been 4 Whites or Police Officers

If four students had been lined up and shot execution-style by four police officers, there would be a MASSIVE outcry -- and should be. If they'd been four Anglo punks instead of four Latino punks, there would probably have been a knee-jerk reaction, but the likely outcome would have been the same as it is.

Unlike with the Don Imus case which received 24 news coverage for 5 days, barely a peep has been said about this case.

I have to wonder what news sources you're following. It's the #2 story on CNN's US page, despite the fact that the story is from Friday and there have been no developments in the case over the weekend. Google News has 589 articles from August 10 alone.

It's a front-page story in today's New York Times. I don't watch TV news every day -- I usually prefer my news online -- but I haven't seen any newscast in the last several days that didn't include an update. And that in spite of a pretty busy news environment, for a weekend, with the ongoing mine disaster, damage to the Shuttle, and the death of Merv Griffin.

If this story is getting "barely a peep," what do you want, someone to stand at the foot of your bed and shout it at you?

50 posted on 08/12/2007 12:44:59 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`massive)
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