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Deadly Chinese missile worries India, Israel
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Posted on 08/13/2007 10:54:51 PM PDT by Arjun

Deadly Chinese missile worries India, Israel

August 14, 2007 08:45 IST Last Updated: August 14, 2007 09:25 IST

India has proposed a collaboration with Israel in developing unmanned combat helicopters for the countries' navies, a media report said.

The proposal was put forward by Chief of Naval Staff Sureesh Mehta during talks with Israel's Navy commander Maj Gen DanBashat in New Delhi last week, investigative publication 'DEBKAfile' reported.

Mehta estimated that the Indian Navy would need 40-50 helicopters of this kind, the report said, adding the project would be a revolutionary step for the navies of both countries providing them with their first independent air arms.

'India's coastline still vulnerable'

Israel sorely missed this capability during its war with Hezbollah last year, when its vessel Hanit was hit and crippled by what was assumed to be a Chinese-made C-802 shore-to-sea missile near Beirut.

Indian warships also face the same threat as Israel since Pakistan has acquired the C-802 from China. Both have therefore opted for the same antidote, a sophisticated unmanned combat helicopter, the report said.

Iran and Syria have also acquired the C-802 missiles, it said.

The C-802, designed in China, has a range of 8 km and its ability to gain altitude on its way to target turns it into a kind of cruise missile which can fly out of range of navy vessels' electronic defences, it said.

The shore-to-ship weapon is also armed with superior navigation, guidance and jamming capabilities.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; helicopters; india; israel; missile; unmannedhelicopters

1 posted on 08/13/2007 10:54:52 PM PDT by Arjun
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2 posted on 08/13/2007 10:57:28 PM PDT by Arjun (Skepticism is good. It keeps you alive.)
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To: Arjun

I wonder how much of the targeting technology was bought from Clinton and his pals in exchange for campaign dollars.


3 posted on 08/13/2007 11:00:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Romney's legacy: gay marriage, assault weapons ban, socialized medicine w/ taxpayer-funded abortions)
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To: EternalVigilance

First, “deadly” toys with lead paint, now “deadly” missiles. Is “Chinese food” safe to eat anymore or is it “deadly”, too? Gotta wonder.


4 posted on 08/13/2007 11:17:07 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy

Either way, it’s all pointed at us.


5 posted on 08/13/2007 11:22:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Romney's legacy: gay marriage, assault weapons ban, socialized medicine w/ taxpayer-funded abortions)
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To: EternalVigilance
I wonder how much of the targeting technology was bought from Clinton and his pals in exchange for campaign dollars.

Probably all of it.

6 posted on 08/13/2007 11:32:48 PM PDT by SIDENET (Is it too early for flapjacks?)
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To: EternalVigilance


7 posted on 08/13/2007 11:32:50 PM PDT by kik5150
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To: Arjun

I’ve got to wonder if a Chinese missile can hit an Israeli ship.. if the Iranian Chinese missiles can hit an American ship. I wonder if that ship hitting was something of a warning to American forces in the persian gulf to leave Iran alone.

Well either way Chinese technology is likely to get better then it is over the coming years, even without spying. They are training tens of thousands of engineers in all the different engineering disciplines. And presumably as they get more money deploying their own engineers in all the aspects of designing whatever they are trying to build. Which there must be a mind blowing amount of engineering going into an anti-ship missile. From all the different electronics, guidance, chemical fuel, explosives mix etc..


8 posted on 08/13/2007 11:42:19 PM PDT by ran20
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To: Arjun

That looks like a good project for a good cause.


9 posted on 08/13/2007 11:45:43 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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To: Alas Babylon!; American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Atigun; Ax; ...

MI ping


10 posted on 08/13/2007 11:58:56 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: ran20

Hybrid technology... Chinese and Russian engineering in an Iranian package.


11 posted on 08/14/2007 12:19:01 AM PDT by Thunder90
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To: CutePuppy
Is “Chinese food” safe to eat anymore or is it “deadly”, too? Gotta wonder.

I wouldn't advise ordering the Kung Pao Chicken if it arrives on the tip of a missile.

12 posted on 08/14/2007 12:20:46 AM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: ran20
The Hanit was hit because the naval staff and the ships captains were idiots who should have been court martialled for dereliction of duty!
They brought in a few corvets with 76mm guns for shore bombardment, which is pointless except as a show of force. The INS Hanit, which was the ship hit, was acting as an anti-aircraft anti-missle ship, as it has 2 Barak launchers.
For real force, there were fighter bombers flighing nearby. The problem was taht to prevent the INS Hanit from automatically shooting down either the Israeli Jets or their falling ordinance, the captain turned off the self-defense system!

This turned a defensive screen into a sitting duck.

13 posted on 08/14/2007 1:20:14 AM PDT by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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To: rmlew

Ah thanks for that explanation, that makes sense. It must be tricky for American war planners with hundreds of planes, drones and missiles in the air sometimes, to decide if they want the automated gun turrets on.

I guess we must also assume that the Chinese don’t yet have the capability to beat the ship defenses when activated.


14 posted on 08/14/2007 2:27:09 AM PDT by ran20
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To: Arjun
investigative publication 'DEBKAfile' reported.

Stopped reading here.

15 posted on 08/14/2007 6:00:20 AM PDT by milestogo
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To: rmlew

Wasn’t there something similar at work when the Argentines hit HMS Sheffield with an Exocet during the Falklands War? The captain was speaking to the MOD at the exact moment of the missile’s arrival and certain key systems had been turned off because they tended to interfere with communications being used?


16 posted on 08/14/2007 6:02:13 AM PDT by skepsel
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To: Arjun

Doesn’t China have a Supersonic anti-ship missle called “Sunburn”? I remember reading about it. If I remember there was no defense for it at the time.


17 posted on 08/14/2007 8:03:50 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: skepsel

Yes, however its anti-missile systems were nowhere near as advanced.


18 posted on 08/14/2007 12:01:25 PM PDT by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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To: mowowie

No Idea.. but I found this on FR (where else!)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/966345/posts


19 posted on 08/14/2007 9:32:03 PM PDT by Arjun (Skepticism is good. It keeps you alive.)
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To: Arjun

Sweet, Thanks....And good news to boot!!


20 posted on 08/14/2007 9:39:21 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: CutePuppy
"Made in China" should be considered a warning label, no matter what the product is.
21 posted on 08/15/2007 1:37:37 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: rmlew

Why would they need to turn the system off? Don’t they have automated IFF systems to prevent accidental engagement of friendly aircraft? We do.


22 posted on 08/15/2007 1:41:41 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: PsyOp

I think the issue was shooting down falling ordinance.


23 posted on 08/15/2007 4:09:47 PM PDT by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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To: PsyOp

:-> “Proceed with caution” :->


24 posted on 08/15/2007 4:36:28 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: mowowie

The Chinese brought the Sunburn from Russia for a batch of export destroyers.The Sunburn & the C-802,pretty much represent 2 different classes of weaponry.The C-802 is much smaller,nimble & is more stealthy in flight,while the Sunburn is much bigger & faster,which can cause damage even if destroyed by defensive weapons.


25 posted on 08/16/2007 7:39:41 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Cool, Thanks. I was reading up on it the other night. Quite the scary missile.


26 posted on 08/16/2007 7:42:22 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Couldn’t we take out their Sunburn missile with our SPF-15?


27 posted on 08/16/2007 7:43:46 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: mowowie

Well,it would only be a threat to the US or Japanese navies if the Chinese launched a surprise attack or launched them with nuclear warheads.The same cannot be said about the Taiwanese or other Chinese rivals.


28 posted on 08/16/2007 7:47:07 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: mowowie; Arjun

Talking about Pakistani missiles,they also operate the French Exocet & the US Harpoon,including the newest Block-2 variant.In the same category as the C-802,but more sophisticated & having sublaunch capability.


29 posted on 08/16/2007 7:49:08 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: JZelle

Post 19 has a link regarding the new SeaRAM anti-ship missle defense system.


30 posted on 08/16/2007 8:06:55 AM PDT by mowowie
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