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Newark Unveils High-Tech Plan To Fight Violence
WCBSTV.COM ^ | 14 AUGUST 2007 | WCBSTV.COM

Posted on 08/14/2007 7:25:06 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

(CBS) NEWARK -- The city of Newark has a new high-tech plan to combat gun violence. Mayor Cory Booker is set to unveil the new crime-fighting initiative Tuesday, but it comes too late for the victims of last week's execution-style murders.

There is anger and frustration over the death of three young friends in a schoolyard. Newark residents are demanding Booker's resignation, but instead, he is planning to unveil a $3.2 million surveillance-type program.

New acoustic sensors and surveillance cameras are the latest sign of stepped-up security, as police continue to round up and charge suspects in the killing Iofemi Hightower, Deshan Harvey and Terrence Aeriel, and the attempted murder of Natasha Aeriel.

Three suspects are in custody -- two teens and 28-year-old Jose Carranza, who was actually in this country illegally from Peru and had already been arrested twice this year.

"This is someone who committed a crime and was walking around -- and was walking around free," said Newark Councilman Ron Rice.

Carranza was free on $150,000 bail and was facing charges of aggravated assault and sexual abuse of a child at the time of the Newark murders.

Because of a loophole, he was released from custody. That's because local authorities aren't required to report the immigration status of the people they arrest.

"It is important for local law enforcement officials to keep focused on issues of criminal activity, not status" said Shai Goldstein of the New Jersey Immigration Policy Network. "It is not the role of local law enforcement to be involved in federal immigration policy."

An Immigration and Customs Enforcement official told CBS 2 News:

"Could we have done something? Absolutely. Would we have done something? Yes. The system works very well when it's done the right way, but ICE wasn't contacted about Mr. Carranza until last Thursday after the Newark shootings. If we had known earlier, he would have been detained."

Police are still searching for several additional suspects in the students' murders.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; banglist; immigrantlist; newark
So instead of doing the obvious thing and abandoning their retarded sanctuary city policy, the city wants to spend more tax dollars on cameras and fancy gizmos that'll catch crime during or after it happens.
1 posted on 08/14/2007 7:25:07 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

*** Carranza was free on $150,000 bail and was facing charges of aggravated assault and sexual abuse of a child at the time of the Newark murders. ***

Who paid for that?


2 posted on 08/14/2007 7:29:29 AM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: wastedyears

ACLU?


3 posted on 08/14/2007 7:31:35 AM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Well, they don’t want to waste their milk&cookies-we-can-rehabilitate-you-you-just-weren’t-hugged-enough-as-a -child programs on just anyone, you know!


4 posted on 08/14/2007 7:32:24 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (I practice Calorie Offset Trading. I eat a candy bar & pay my kid 10 bucks to run around the block)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
They do not have a sanctuary city policy.

Thanks to the NJ Supreme Court, NJ has a sanctuary state policy which the voters never decided on.

5 posted on 08/14/2007 7:33:06 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
but instead, he is planning to unveil a $3.2 million surveillance-type program

Sooooo, the DEATH PENALTY doesn't deter crime, but cameras will? Maybe it's just supposed to make me feeeeeeeeel safer?

6 posted on 08/14/2007 7:33:07 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Shai Goldstein is a conspirator to these crimes.


7 posted on 08/14/2007 7:33:20 AM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: wastedyears

It’s not too difficult to scrape up 15K if you are a drug dealer.


8 posted on 08/14/2007 7:34:24 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: cweese

Possibly


9 posted on 08/14/2007 7:34:34 AM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

good point.

Sanctuary city policy killed those kids just as much as the bullets.

What would a camera really do? “stop! if you kill them I will send you some really nice glossy pictures!”

gives the families real comfort there.


10 posted on 08/14/2007 7:36:40 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Outlaw certain gangs and make it illegal to belong to them. Remember the Purple Gang? I believe they did this and totally broke up the gang. Some times the old ways work better than the feel good ideas.


11 posted on 08/14/2007 7:37:11 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Cameras don’t stop crime, they only make prosecuting them easier.

What is happening in liberal Newark is no surprise, liberalism in it’s attempts to destroy God and replace him with the State are always going to fail because if man won’t be obedient to God, why would they be obedient to the human creation of the State?

For all of the outrage over Carranza et al, they are merely the ones who got publicity, there were more murders then those three over the same time period that the media has been hand wringing over this, yet they hype those deaths and issues “Calls to Action” that really amount to “More failed Govt intervention”.

They never seem to learn do they?


12 posted on 08/14/2007 7:37:48 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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To: wideawake

150k...yes, drug dealer sounds right, though. They say the suspects might be connected to MS13....no sure, though. Either way, they shouldn’t be here or atleast they should have been in jail without bail.


13 posted on 08/14/2007 7:37:57 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Yeah, that’ll help!

And, as always, the cops will arrive in time to string up the yellow tape, draw some chalk outlines around the bodies, take a few photos and — if they’re feeling particularly good — may even help load the victims in the Coroner’s van.

Go here to see WHY so many of the political elite want us disarmed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4


14 posted on 08/14/2007 7:39:05 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: wideawake

It was $150k.


15 posted on 08/14/2007 7:41:38 AM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

If CAMERAS were effective in stopping crime, there would be no bank robberies or convenience store robberies.......


16 posted on 08/14/2007 7:42:23 AM PDT by Red Badger (All I know about Minnesota, I learned from Garrison Keilor..................)
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To: Puppage
Still action after the fact. Cameras and acoustical devices will only record what has already happened. The answer is not recording the crime but putting the perpetrators away BEFORE the crime. This so-called justice system is not capable of punishing the FIRST crime much less the second, third, and fourth crime.
17 posted on 08/14/2007 7:44:13 AM PDT by JayAr36 (There are no stupid questions, unless asked by a reporter.)
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To: wastedyears

Apparently he raped the child again and they gave him a 300k bond....but they let him out again. This guy is a moron, and should be dropped in the ocean for fish bate.

That’s about as nice as I can get...now.


18 posted on 08/14/2007 7:45:52 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: Red Badger

Generally they’re good for evidence. Not sure they should be in the public square, though.


19 posted on 08/14/2007 7:47:08 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

You hit the nail on the head. Politicians and cops keep talking about preventative measures, but all that they suggest are ways of making their job of finding the perps easier.

Meanwhile, the preventative measure that would actually prevent crime, the liberalization of conceal carry laws in New Jersey, hasn’t got a chance of passage.


20 posted on 08/14/2007 7:49:55 AM PDT by Hazwaste (Now with added lemony freshness!)
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To: Rick_Michael
150k.

The bondsman puts up the 150K. You only put up 15K as security for the bondsman.

21 posted on 08/14/2007 7:53:21 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wastedyears
A bail bondsman puts up 150K. You only put up 15K to the bondsman for security.

You only need 10% of the total bail amount to get bail, unless you have already burned a bail bondsman.

22 posted on 08/14/2007 7:54:49 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

One thing is cameras are going to be covering all public space sooner or later. The cost is falling in a computer like way.. think of how much better surveilance cameras are now then 10 years ago for example.

The other thing is face/body recognition software for videos is also incredible already.. its just a matter of hooking it up to big processing power and ‘national’ databases. Again the processing power and the communications bandwith are falling at dramatic pace.

Then software to detect suspected criminal activity, to alert a human operator.

Long story short technology is going to make the streets in the big cities safer, even it means putting millions more in prison.


23 posted on 08/14/2007 7:55:47 AM PDT by ran20
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To: padre35

Mostly agree. But changing the crime situation is tough.

First, the city/community really has to want to stop crime. Sounds simple, but isn’t. Everybody has to talk to the cops, and sometimes, testify.

Second, police management needs to be solid. If not, the cops on the beat don’t trust management to get their back so they don’t go all out. Good management gets good cops. Management is not good if it’s politically correct, by the way.

Third, the prosecuting and judicial part of the system has to be good. And energized. Isn’t always.

Fourth, it helps to have a dumping ground, sort of like Prince Georges County outside of DC. In other words, the bad guys need somewhere to go. Usually it’s the next neighborhood. But when you clean up a lot of neighborhoods, they need to have another place.

Dang! Maybe Newark was that place.


24 posted on 08/14/2007 7:56:29 AM PDT by Blagden Alley
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

And they laughed at Reagan’s “Star Wars”.


25 posted on 08/14/2007 7:56:44 AM PDT by P.O.E. (School's Out. Drive Safely)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"It is important for local law enforcement officials to keep focused on issues of criminal activity, not status"

They're in the country illegally. That's your criminal activity. Now arrest them.

26 posted on 08/14/2007 8:01:45 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agammemnon dead.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"The city of Newark has a new high-tech plan to combat gun violence. Mayor Cory Booker is set to unveil the new crime-fighting initiative Tuesday, but it comes too late for the victims of last week's execution-style murders."

That's because those were ILLEGAL ALIEN murders, not "gun violence."

That Peruvian fvck would have killed those kids with a machete if he hadn't had a gun!

27 posted on 08/14/2007 8:06:33 AM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Liberal reaction: less freedom, more surveillance on the citizenry.

God forbid New Jersey residents could actually defend themselves legally with firearms, or that NJ would stop being a sanctuary state for criminal invaders!


28 posted on 08/14/2007 8:06:35 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Blagden Alley

One thing replaces another so to speak, meaning that if the drug dealers and gang members are driven elsewhere by the use of cameras, then the cameras will turned on ODC* in order to pay for them.

And it is easier for management just remains mum on what they would like to see implemented by the average officer, that way if the media starts screaming about “Officers violated such and such” management can merely tut tutt on camera and then throw the officers overboard.

And I would bet that the average ODC doesn’t alk to the police or DA’s because they either know there will be consequnces for them or their families, or they have a financial interest in keeping quiet, or thye simply don’t think the system will deal with the problem so it is easier and safer not to get involved.

Maybe the Feds should step in under RICO and start handing out serious jail time?

But for all of that, one rule remains true, if the people aren’t moral and concerned about their community, all of the cameras in the world won’t make things better, as I rcall cameras were installed in downtown Baltimore, and they really didn’t make much difference in street level crime.

*ODC=Ordinary Decent Citizens


29 posted on 08/14/2007 8:08:15 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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To: wastedyears
"It was $150k."

If bail is $150K, the bail bond will typically be set at 10% of that:
$15K

30 posted on 08/14/2007 8:09:59 AM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: wideawake
>>>Thanks to the NJ Supreme Court, NJ has a sanctuary state policy which the voters never decided on.

Newark still takes grants from the Praxis Project. Yes the state does; but the town Mayors don’t have to implement local grant funded programs.

See Bogota!

31 posted on 08/14/2007 8:10:22 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Enough of this bullsh!t. LOCK UP THE F-ING CRIMINALS, DEPORT THE ILLEGAL ALIENS, AND BUILD THE G#DDAMN WALL INTEAD OF TURNING OUR COUNTRY INTO SOMETHING FROM AN ORWELL NOVEL!!!


32 posted on 08/14/2007 8:31:37 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: wideawake

Really...that’s a fairly small payment to get away with rape. What a country we live in...


33 posted on 08/14/2007 8:52:43 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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Really...that’s a fairly small payment to get away with rape. What a country we live in...

It's not getting away with rape. Making bail doesn't make the charges go away.

In point of fact, if you make bail and then run - leaving the bail bondsman on the hook for 150K or more - then the bondsman will go looking for you and he can do pretty much what he wants to do to you before he hands you over to the authorities for incarceration.

34 posted on 08/14/2007 8:56:49 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


35 posted on 08/14/2007 9:11:21 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: ran20

“Then software to detect suspected criminal activity, to alert a human operator.”

CDS = Criminal detection software?? OMG! How will it work, will there be a “furtiveness quotient” (FQ) I’m not going ACLU on you, I’m just wondering how such an initiative might work!


36 posted on 08/14/2007 9:29:56 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (When Bubba lies, the finger flies!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

BTTT


37 posted on 08/14/2007 9:33:25 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Let’s ask the Governor what he will do. *smirk*

What an messed up system.


38 posted on 08/14/2007 9:38:50 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: wideawake

But I will bet you that the voters of newark are - or were - 100% behind this sanctuary plan. Remember - this is New Jersey.


39 posted on 08/14/2007 9:41:33 AM PDT by twonie (Keep your guns - and stockpile ammo.)
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To: twonie
But I will bet you that the voters of newark are - or were - 100% behind this sanctuary plan.

I doubt it. Black Americans aren't particularly sympathetic to Hispanic illegal immigrants. It's not an issue on the average black voter's policy agenda.

This policy was imposed on NJ from above by the judiciary.

40 posted on 08/14/2007 9:47:36 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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“It’s not getting away with rape. Making bail doesn’t make the charges go away.

In point of fact, if you make bail and then run - leaving the bail bondsman on the hook for 150K or more - then the bondsman will go looking for you and he can do pretty much what he wants to do to you before he hands you over to the authorities for incarceration.”

They say the same thing with illegals avoiding courting hearings on their immigration status. But since when did they respect law.

Well, apparently he did it twice to that girl and still was out on the street (after the second time)....to me that’s far to close to freedom, imo. That man should have never seen the streets. Atleast not the American streets.


41 posted on 08/14/2007 10:05:13 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: wideawake

“I doubt it. Black Americans aren’t particularly sympathetic to Hispanic illegal immigrants. It’s not an issue on the average black voter’s policy agenda.

This policy was imposed on NJ from above by the judiciary.”

This is democrat land, and invertly they’re supplying these judges. So isn’t it true...that whether or not they’re sympathetic, they’re voting in the politicians whom make this possible?


42 posted on 08/14/2007 10:08:59 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: Rick_Michael
Well, apparently he did it twice to that girl and still was out on the street

These crimes are not always very easy to prosecute.

How would you explain, as a prosecutor, that someone was previously accused by a girlfriend of raping the girlfriend's child, got out on bail, went back to live with the girlfriend - and now she is accusing him a second time?

To a cynical judge this might look like a crazy woman in a domestic dispute who was prone to making allegations.

That judge is going to grant bail, especially if he is a liberal.

43 posted on 08/14/2007 10:12:25 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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So isn’t it true...that whether or not they’re sympathetic, they’re voting in the politicians whom make this possible?

Yes, but they are voting for handouts, not for "sanctuary." Newark Democrats are not happy about sharing government largesse with outsiders, believe me.

44 posted on 08/14/2007 10:14:11 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I’m not sure, I read something about the UK trying software that did that on their closed circuit cameras. They had speakers attached to some of them too, so the operator could talk into it.

I can see learning programs studying past criminal incidents and looking for mathematical patterns in the video. Except it takes a lot of processing power to do. I’d probably ask an experienced beat cop what he notices when he gets a feeling a crime is going to happen.

Of course the cameras now or in the future with more tech can filter for things like sex, age, ethnicity.. like 70% of crime in some euro nations is muslim immigrants.


45 posted on 08/14/2007 10:20:24 AM PDT by ran20
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To: wideawake

“Yes, but they are voting for handouts, not for “sanctuary.””

To me it’s apples and oranges...the citizens of that area should wise up and not vote democrat; but who am I kidding!?


46 posted on 08/14/2007 10:29:33 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: wideawake

Perhaps I’m a bit apt to side on the child’s side. I’m not really concerned what an illegal immigrant feels are his rights...especially.


47 posted on 08/14/2007 10:32:17 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: Rick_Michael
Perhaps I’m a bit apt to side on the child’s side. I’m not really concerned what an illegal immigrant feels are his rights...especially.

We are not discussing what an illegal criminal's feelings are.

We are looking at the case from the eyes of experienced judges and prosecutors.

Given the history of the charges, it is hard for the system to take the claims at face value. Who accuses someone of raping their child and then welcomes that person back into her home?

Surely you can see how the circumstances arouse cynicism.

48 posted on 08/14/2007 10:36:43 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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