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'Assault rifles' have a legal and useful place in hunting
The Oregonian ^ | August 12, 2007 | Bill Monroe

Posted on 08/14/2007 12:47:46 PM PDT by neverdem

I bought a new (for me, anyway) rifle this past week.

It's black. It has a bipod on the stock, a black banana clip that looks like a handle, a scope with a lot of knobs and a shiny metal muzzle on the special oversized barrel.

It looks a lot like an assault weapon.

It is a Ruger 10/22, one of the most accurate and most popular sport/plinking rifles produced.

I got it, in part, for my granddaughter, who's ready to graduate from a pellet rifle.

She's no terrorist, and neither am I.

Nor, as many of you have repeatedly pointed out in somewhat less than complimentary terms, am I a (pick one):

Liberal-bunny/tree-hugging-firearm-wannabe.

Gun-toting, bloodthirsty, gratuitous-violence-seeking hunting-maggot.

Nope, I'm simply someone who loves to hunt, uses firearms as tools (OK, and for home self-defense these days) and recognizes the Second Amendment comes after the First.

It's hard to forget the firearms industry's feeding frenzy in February when Jim Zumbo sacrificed more than 30 years as the hunting editor of Outdoor Life by writing about assault weapons on his Internet blog after a beer over the campfire:

"I call them 'assault' rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them 'terrorist' rifles. . . . As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons.

"To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them."

Some of the public -- some via e-mail within cyberseconds -- divorced themselves from Zumbo, including a disgustingly hypocritical Outdoor Life and National Rifle Association, both of which shot him down in flames in the very same breath with which they piously declared his right to speak his mind.

Others divorced themselves from Outdoor Life, the NRA and all the others that cut and ran.

Many of you supported him and some chided me for not saying the same thing a long time ago.

After a long look -- and without the field trips I'd hoped to take with some who invited me along for a firsthand look at modified weapons -- I have to agree Zumbo was wrong.

But not because of what he said.

More because of what he didn't realize.

We all wish there weren't assault weapons afield during hunting seasons -- or perhaps any other season.

But hearken to the middle ages of Europe. At the turn of the 16th century, Leonardo da Vinci (who also first envisioned metal tanks, submarines and machine guns) invented a wheel-lock firing mechanism so revolutionary it was declared an assault weapon by a Germanic emperor who bought a lot of them for his army, then banned private ownership.

That might have been a precursor of sorts to gun control, but more important ultimately led to improved hunting weapons.

Most modern sporting firearms are rooted in military applications.

The fact is, as one reader pointed out, one of the newest, the AR-15, when reduced to a five-round magazine and semi-automatic (pull-the-trigger-each-time), and with a scope mounted above the barrel, is an uncommonly steady hunting weapon.

The choice to use one (for example, my granddaughter's target practice with my new Ruger) doesn't brand him or her.

It remains a free country, and if someone wants to carry that message into the woods, the First Amendment allows the statement and the Second allows the shot.

Zumbo, by the way, is back on The Outdoor Channel, minus his job with Outdoor Life and most of the cut-and-run sponsors. He's had some preliminary discussions with Remington Firearms about resurrecting their bond.

"He's kind of relieved about not having those (magazine) deadlines all the time," said his wife, Madonna, from their log home outside Cody, Wyo.

Zumbo is in Africa, taking a wounded Iraq War veteran hunting, packing donated clothing (Safari Club International) into villages and filming the African story -- all worthwhile projects to which his former sponsors should be paying much more attention than the self-righteous zealots among their subscribers and members.

"Zum learned a lot and met a lot of very nice people," Madonna said. "I think the anonymity of the Internet allows the worst of people's personalities to come out."

Bill Monroe: 503-221-8231; billmonroe@news.oregonian.com To read his blog, go to http://blog.oregonlive.com/billmonroe


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
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I thought the author might be Jim Zumbo when I first read the title.
1 posted on 08/14/2007 12:47:49 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting.


2 posted on 08/14/2007 12:49:50 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: neverdem

Don’t 10/22’s have a rotary mag?


3 posted on 08/14/2007 12:50:33 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: neverdem

I thought Bill Monroe was dead. Sure do miss his mandolin and high lonesome singing.


4 posted on 08/14/2007 12:52:09 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Criticize me if you will but just don't circumcise me any more.)
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To: neverdem

I continue ask the same question, “Is there any ‘other’ kind of rifle?”


5 posted on 08/14/2007 12:55:28 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (Support America, Support Duncan Hunter for President.)
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To: neverdem

The 2nd Amendment isn’t about sporting goods...


6 posted on 08/14/2007 12:55:55 PM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: neverdem
I thought the author might be Jim Zumbo when I first read the title.

I was thinking the same thing!

7 posted on 08/14/2007 12:56:24 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred run! I will send my donation as soon as you announce.)
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To: tacticalogic

“Don’t 10/22’s have a rotary mag?”

Yes they do. 10 rounds.

I bought one several years back in black synthetic and stainless steel. A really fine little rifle as long as you keep it scrupulously clean.


8 posted on 08/14/2007 12:58:41 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: tacticalogic

The 10 round factory mag is rotary or some variation of that, aftermarket ones are banana clips up to 50 rounds I think.


9 posted on 08/14/2007 12:59:09 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Fight the illegal Mexican colonizers & imperialist conquistadors! Long live the resistance!)
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To: tacticalogic
Don’t 10/22’s have a rotary mag?

IIRC, that was the original design. My friend or his brother had one with a Mannlicher stock.

10 posted on 08/14/2007 1:01:07 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: tacticalogic

I guess I failed to address your point.

You can buy aftermarket 30 round mags for them. (in case you are attacked by a whole bunch of squirrels at the same time)


11 posted on 08/14/2007 1:01:10 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: neverdem

Uh, is this guy defending Zumbo, attacking the NRA, or claiming the 10/22 is an “assault rifle”? I’d say all of the above.


12 posted on 08/14/2007 1:03:24 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Past Your Eyes

I thought Bill Monroe was dead. Sure do miss his mandolin and high lonesome singing.
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Bill Monroe gave his mandolin to Sam Bush. It likely doesn’t get out much anymore, now that Sam has a signature model Gibson.

And Pete Rowan does a pretty fair ‘impersonation’ of Bill during some of his shows. Pete was with Bill Monroe’s band in 1966, if I get the date right.

Rowan wrote a song about Ruby Ridge, to come back full circle to stuff freepers care about.


13 posted on 08/14/2007 1:03:24 PM PDT by dmz
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To: tacticalogic
The come with a rotary mag, but banana clips are available.
14 posted on 08/14/2007 1:03:48 PM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: GulfBreeze

It is any gun the liberals, including Rudy,and Mitt, want to put on the AW list


15 posted on 08/14/2007 1:07:12 PM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: Free Vulcan

Okay. I’ve been waiting for the right deal on a 77/22 to come along.....


16 posted on 08/14/2007 1:07:36 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

I’ve been waiting for CA to legalize the AR again. How much longer, do ya think?


17 posted on 08/14/2007 1:09:15 PM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior force is the ONLY cure)
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To: pgyanke

Assault is an ACTION not a device.


18 posted on 08/14/2007 1:09:45 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: GulfBreeze

this particular one (10/22) is a little sexier when it comes dressed like this:
http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/PDF/PartsBooklets/E16.pdf


19 posted on 08/14/2007 1:09:45 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: neverdem

I just re read my pocket sized Constitution and did not see where the 2nd Amendment had anything to do with squirrels or ducks.....

Meadow Muffin


20 posted on 08/14/2007 1:09:57 PM PDT by rwgal
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To: GulfBreeze
I continue ask the same question, “Is there any ‘other’ kind of rifle?”

mine are all defensive rifles.
21 posted on 08/14/2007 1:11:19 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders- don't re-elect them!)
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To: neverdem
'Assault rifles' have a legal and useful place in hunting

That they do! I use mine for protection of my hunting arms!

22 posted on 08/14/2007 1:18:34 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: Magnum44
I’ve been waiting for CA to legalize the AR again. How much longer, do ya think?

R2 (+1).

23 posted on 08/14/2007 1:19:04 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: neverdem

My ‘new” plinking toy is a Bushmaster .223 A3 Shorty !


24 posted on 08/14/2007 1:19:42 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: neverdem
Hunting isn't an enumerated right. Owning a fully functional assault rifle to defend oneself from tyranny is.

"For hunting purposes" is a red herring put out by the anti-2A crowd in an attempt to separate sportsman from the 2A.

25 posted on 08/14/2007 1:20:30 PM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: Puppage

Thank you, Mr Dictionary... do you have a point?


26 posted on 08/14/2007 1:22:29 PM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: neverdem
I like this broad brush stroke... self-righteous zealots among their subscribers and members

This idiot doesn't realize if it was not for the zealous nature of gun-owners, we'd all be British.

27 posted on 08/14/2007 1:28:06 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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To: neverdem
Sad. The Fudds are still missing the point after the entire Zumbo bruhaha. *Sigh*

The Second Ammendment ain't about hunting, Elmer.

28 posted on 08/14/2007 1:30:09 PM PDT by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} GO HUNTER '08)
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To: neverdem
"I think the anonymity of the Internet allows the worst of people's personalities to come out."

I guess people don't much like being compared with terrorists, simply because they own a semi-automatic rifle.

29 posted on 08/14/2007 1:33:56 PM PDT by holymoly ("Of" is not a synonym for "have".)
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To: neverdem
"I think the anonymity of the Internet allows the worst of people's personalities to come out."

It sure allowed us to read Jim Zumbo's true beliefs.

30 posted on 08/14/2007 1:34:19 PM PDT by RJL
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To: All

Anybody ever order from Ozark Guns? Are they reliable?

They have a great deal on a left-handed Remington 700 BDL .308.

www.ozarkguns.com


31 posted on 08/14/2007 1:35:54 PM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: EEDUDE

“in case you are attacked by a whole bunch of squirrels”

Hey, urban killer squirrels are real and they do attack in packs.

They’re also smart enough to know that most human big-city dwellers are usually disarmed and helpless.

;^)


32 posted on 08/14/2007 1:36:35 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: tacticalogic

Original factory 10-round mags are a little box containing the rotary mechanism. Aftermarket magazines with capacities up to 50 rounds are more bananna shaped, depending on who made them.


33 posted on 08/14/2007 1:36:46 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: SampleMan
"For hunting purposes" is a red herring put out by the anti-2A crowd in an attempt to separate sportsman from the 2A.

And this is just another dumbass that took the bait.

34 posted on 08/14/2007 1:42:22 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: AngryJawa
The Second Ammendment ain't about hunting, Elmer.

"By the way, Mr. Speaker, the Second Amendment is not for killing little ducks and leaving Huey and Dewey and Louie without an aunt and uncle. It is for hunting politicians, like [in] Grozny, [or back in] 1776, when they take your independence away!" -California Rep. Bob Dornan, Congressional Record, 25 January, 1995

35 posted on 08/14/2007 1:50:34 PM PDT by cryptical
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To: ozzymandus
Uh, is this guy defending Zumbo, attacking the NRA, or claiming the 10/22 is an “assault rifle”? I’d say all of the above.

I agree. It's quite a weird column.

36 posted on 08/14/2007 1:53:20 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: pgyanke
Thank you, Mr Dictionary... do you have a point?

Do you REALLY need it spelled out for you? Sheesh.

37 posted on 08/14/2007 1:58:59 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: N. Theknow

>> The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting.

That depends on what you’re hunting... :)


38 posted on 08/14/2007 1:59:14 PM PDT by vikingd00d
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To: Puppage

As it pertains to my post, yes. Yes, I do.


39 posted on 08/14/2007 2:05:33 PM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: neverdem

Actually, there is a ranking member of the NRA now saying that we don’t need “assualt rifles” and no more than 5 rounds of ammo... he needs his ass fired from the NRA... but they will not fire him...

Go to the link and click on the 5th vid. Watch the whole thing!
http://www.klru.org/texasmonthlytalks/archives/jackson/jackson.asp


40 posted on 08/14/2007 2:08:11 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Magnum44
"I’ve been waiting for CA to legalize the AR again. How much longer, do ya think?"

The AR 15 is legal in California, as a matter of fact, I just built one not too long ago and I'm getting ready to build another for my daughter. The trick is configuring it legally. This requires what is called an off-list lower receiver.

I don't have the time to go into it now but here is a link to Calguns where you can read all about it.

http://www.calguns.net/

41 posted on 08/14/2007 2:11:32 PM PDT by telebob
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Wrong link ? I didn’t know they made a Magnum version, but it looks about the same as the standard LR one.


42 posted on 08/14/2007 2:12:39 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: pgyanke
As it pertains to my post, yes. Yes, I do.

It had zero to do with your post and was directed to the title of the thread.

43 posted on 08/14/2007 2:20:42 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

The 10/22 is fun to customize. I added a stainless barrel, banana clip, shoulder strap and silver scope.


44 posted on 08/14/2007 2:21:16 PM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: neverdem

I know that several have posted along the lines “the 2nd amendment isn’t about hunting”. I am suprised though, how even pro gun freepers shy away from talking about what the 2nd amendment IS about. The elephant in the room. Its the very basic right to self defense. This right is so basic that just about every living organism exercises this right instinctually. As the most evolved, humans need for self defense is a bit more complex than trying to keep from being eaten. It involves self defense someone in the process of trying to kill you or yours, self defense against a home invader(I group the first two together), self defense against civil unrest, self defense against a government that someday may go really bad, and self defense against foreign invaders. Now a lot of people feel comfortable talking about defense against home invasion. But most don’t think the foreign invaders argument is valid anymore because of our excellent military. Maybe, but think in terms of 50 or 100 years and who knows? The two really touchy arguments are defense against civil unrest and a govt turned despotic. But all of these were the reason for the 2nd amendment with hunting being last on the list. All of these arguments should be discussed as to how they apply in these times. Not avoided. Surely if we make it all about hunting, we will lose this right.


45 posted on 08/14/2007 2:26:59 PM PDT by Delacon
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To: neverdem
Close enough to an opportunity to post a couple of fauxtos I'm kind of proud of.

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46 posted on 08/14/2007 2:29:58 PM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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To: MD_Willington_1976

I can’t access it. I’ll have to trust you and try to remember his name, Joaquin Jackson.


47 posted on 08/14/2007 2:30:49 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
It looks a lot like an assault weapon.

It is a Ruger 10/22

HA!. That's a good joke.

10/22s are not assault rifles, and do not look like it. Do I even need to read any more of this guys article?

48 posted on 08/14/2007 2:33:51 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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To: tacticalogic

The factory-flush 10-round mag is rotary.
Ramline and Butler Creek offer single and double-stacked “banana-clip” style mags.


49 posted on 08/14/2007 2:42:09 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: neverdem
None of the people who reference “assault rifles” ever seem to know that this term was coined by the German General Staff (as “Sturmgewehr”) in order to pique Hitler’s interest in a revolutionary new automatic rifle. The term is technically meaningless, and was simply chosen because it sounded “tough”.
50 posted on 08/14/2007 2:42:39 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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