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Learn from the fall of Rome, US warned
The Financial Times Limited ^ | August 14 2007 00:06 | By Jeremy Grant in Washington

Posted on 08/14/2007 3:10:52 PM PDT by Sterlis

The US government is on a ‘burning platform’ of unsustainable policies and practices with fiscal deficits, chronic healthcare underfunding, immigration and overseas military commitments threatening a crisis if action is not taken soon, the country’s top government inspector has warned.

David Walker, comptroller general of the US, issued the unusually downbeat assessment of his country’s future in a report that lays out what he called “chilling long-term simulations”.

These include “dramatic” tax rises, slashed government services and the large-scale dumping by foreign governments of holdings of US debt.

Drawing parallels with the end of the Roman empire, Mr Walker warned there were “striking similarities” between America’s current situation and the factors that brought down Rome, including “declining moral values and political civility at home, an over-confident and over-extended military in foreign lands and fiscal irresponsibility by the central government”.

“Sound familiar?” Mr Walker said. “In my view, it’s time to learn from history and take steps to ensure the American Republic is the first to stand the test of time.”

Mr Walker’s views carry weight because he is a non-partisan figure in charge of the Government Accountability Office, often described as the investigative arm of the US Congress.

While most of its studies are commissioned by legislators, about 10 per cent – such as the one containing his latest warnings – are initiated by the comptroller general himself.

In an interview with the Financial Times, Mr Walker said he had mentioned some of the issues before but now wanted to “turn up the volume”. Some of them were too sensitive for others in government to “have their name associated with”.

“I’m trying to sound an alarm and issue a wake-up call,” he said. “As comptroller general I’ve got an ability to look longer-range and take on issues that others may be hesitant, and in many cases may not be in a position, to take on.

“One of the concerns is obviously we are a great country but we face major sustainability challenges that we are not taking seriously enough,” said Mr Walker, who was appointed during the Clinton administration to the post, which carries a 15-year term.

The fiscal imbalance meant the US was “on a path toward an explosion of debt”.

“With the looming retirement of baby boomers, spiralling healthcare costs, plummeting savings rates and increasing reliance on foreign lenders, we face unprecedented fiscal risks,” said Mr Walker, a former senior executive at PwC auditing firm.

Current US policy on education, energy, the environment, immigration and Iraq also was on an “unsustainable path”.

“Our very prosperity is placing greater demands on our physical infrastructure. Billions of dollars will be needed to modernise everything from highways and airports to water and sewage systems. The recent bridge collapse in Minneapolis was a sobering wake-up call.”

Mr Walker said he would offer to brief the would-be presidential candidates next spring.

“They need to make fiscal responsibility and inter-generational equity one of their top priorities. If they do, I think we have a chance to turn this around but if they don’t, I think the risk of a serious crisis rises considerably”.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fourthposting; romanempire; rome; us

1 posted on 08/14/2007 3:10:56 PM PDT by Sterlis
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To: Sterlis; Admin Moderator
Already posted: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1881039/posts

Search is your friend. :-)

2 posted on 08/14/2007 3:14:54 PM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: Sterlis

My guess is he is a liberal Johnny One Note. My guess is he believes the cure for all our ills is to raise taxes and allow Queen Hillary to dispense the proceeds as she feels appropriate.


3 posted on 08/14/2007 3:14:58 PM PDT by mort56
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To: Sterlis
Yeah, I'm sure that Rome fell because of chronic healthcare underfunding.
4 posted on 08/14/2007 3:16:38 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Do not wish ill for your enemies, plan it.)
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To: Sterlis

I thought faith destroyed the empire. A turning away from authority and toward free will. Doing your own thing caused a setback of some 1200 years before it started paying dividends big time. Just like liberal policies today, intrinsically good but fatally ahead of it’s time.


5 posted on 08/14/2007 3:17:04 PM PDT by kinghorse (I didn't question Nancy's patriotism. I questioned her judgment - Dick Cheney 2007)
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To: Sterlis

Why that’s just silly! Ancient Rome was destroyed by internal divisions over who controlled the government, excessive spending on popular expenditures, uncontrolled immigration, debauched lifestyles, lack of respect for God & His laws, and ...........uh.....nevermnind........


6 posted on 08/14/2007 3:19:08 PM PDT by Red Badger (All I know about Minnesota, I learned from Garrison Keilor..................)
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To: TChris
Posting guidelines are your friend.
7 posted on 08/14/2007 3:21:52 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Sterlis

Oh great fiscal know it alls. If your doom and gloom predictions are true, please explain to us how the British Govt managed to substain a “National Debt” for all most 400 years and counting?


8 posted on 08/14/2007 3:24:45 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Todays (military's) task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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To: Sterlis

Oh another note to fiscal hysterics. Just WHERE are those govts going to “dump” their US bonds? See they have to SELL THEM to someone.


9 posted on 08/14/2007 3:26:10 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Todays (military's) task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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To: MNJohnnie

...or they can just stop buying them.


10 posted on 08/14/2007 3:27:52 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Red Badger

Uh, no Rome didn’t fall from that. It fell mainly chronic political instability brought on by repeated combat between facts that damaged or destroyed a good chunck of it tax base added to an inability effectively administer and control its territory.

2 items that do not in the least apply to the good old USA.


11 posted on 08/14/2007 3:28:54 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Todays (military's) task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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To: MNJohnnie
Oh great fiscal know it alls. If your doom and gloom predictions are true, please explain to us how the British Govt managed to substain a “National Debt” for all most 400 years and counting?

By depending on the USA to shoulder its major military burdens for the past 100?

12 posted on 08/14/2007 3:29:31 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Do not wish ill for your enemies, plan it.)
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To: MNJohnnie

“Oh great fiscal know it alls. If your doom and gloom predictions are true, please explain to us how the British Govt managed to substain a “National Debt” for all most 400 years and counting?”

The Empire and American bail outs.


13 posted on 08/14/2007 3:29:53 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: MNJohnnie

...by declining from a world power to part of the European Union?


14 posted on 08/14/2007 3:30:44 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: MNJohnnie
...added to an inability effectively administer and control its territory.

Aztlan.................

15 posted on 08/14/2007 3:31:06 PM PDT by Red Badger (All I know about Minnesota, I learned from Garrison Keilor..................)
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To: kinghorse
Just like liberal policies today, intrinsically good but fatally ahead of it’s time.

LOL. I assume you were joking. There will never be a time when leftist policies produce anything except ever increasing government power ending in a bankrupt totalitarian state controlling the population with bread (welfare) and circuses (survivor).

If you weren't joking, what events do you see over the next 1,000 years that will make leftist policies effective? About the only thing I can imagine that would produce that effect would be genetic engineering that would fundamentally alter human nature.

16 posted on 08/14/2007 3:33:29 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Red Badger

RIGHT! Sure we should just ignore all factual reality about Rome because the facts do not validate the bubble world dogma as screamed by fringer third rate Politically Corrupted media personalities.

Too bad the real world is not the simple place the chicken littles think it is.


17 posted on 08/14/2007 3:34:31 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Todays (military's) task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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To: MNJohnnie

Whatever God does once, he does twice............old Jewish proverb........


18 posted on 08/14/2007 3:41:35 PM PDT by Red Badger (All I know about Minnesota, I learned from Garrison Keilor..................)
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To: Sterlis

Rome hung on as many centuries as they did, because they were blessed (if it may be called that) with enemies much less organized than themselves. The greater Roman Empire, grown too unwieldy to be governed only from Rome alone, was in the process of fracture long before the Christian religion was widely adopted in the Roman world. Byzantium was, for all practical purposes, pretty much independent of Rome from about 300 AD on, but was still largely allied with Rome.

Until Rome really needed to be defended.


19 posted on 08/14/2007 3:43:36 PM PDT by alloysteel (Never attribute to ignorance that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: Red Badger

>Why tht’s just silly! Ancient rome was destroyed by internal divisions over who controlled the government, excessive spending on popular expenditures, uncontrolled immigation, debauched lifestyhles, lack of respect for God and His laws, and.....uh.....nevermind....<

Very good, Red. Add unaccountable massive foreign aid with huge trade deficits on top of an expensive war, and you have the complete American pattern for self-destruct.


20 posted on 08/14/2007 3:48:59 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: Sterlis

ahem..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1881039/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1880813/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1880717/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1876665/posts


21 posted on 08/14/2007 3:50:44 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: Paperdoll

Oh, and did I mention it was Georgius Bushius fault?.......And his evil minister Karlius Rovius?............


22 posted on 08/14/2007 3:52:09 PM PDT by Red Badger (All I know about Minnesota, I learned from Garrison Keilor..................)
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To: Sterlis
A classical study of Rome has three periods - the Roman Republic being only one - (oops ... American public education cannot brook more than one).

Think of FDR as a Roman dictator ... and move on.

That gives you all you need to know.

In America today, it is not a one or two party system - it is simply one party - a "tax and spend" party with no accountability.

How, just did the Romans deal with the very same issue?

23 posted on 08/14/2007 3:53:41 PM PDT by jamaksin
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To: Red Badger
What's this buffoon know about the economy? Who does he think he is, Michael Chertoff?
24 posted on 08/14/2007 3:59:56 PM PDT by RedQuill
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To: xcamel

Ahem. I searched but seach returned no articles.


25 posted on 08/14/2007 4:03:36 PM PDT by Sterlis (My brain is full.....)
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To: Sterlis
click here == http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;s=rome
26 posted on 08/14/2007 4:07:04 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: MNJohnnie
No surprise that you have shown up in a frenzy on this thread.

We all know that you are here to deny one BIG similarity between the fall of Rome and our present circumstances: barbarian invasion.

27 posted on 08/14/2007 4:08:02 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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To: SergeiRachmaninov; MNJohnnie

You’re both wrong.. It was excessive levels of lead in their water and food. It made them stooopid - like dem liberals


28 posted on 08/14/2007 4:27:33 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: durasell

“...or they can just stop buying them”

Sure they can stop buying them. And what impact do you think that’s going to happen? Why do you think they buy them in the first place?

I cannot for the life of me understand why there is so much hysteria around this issue. Any of these “U.S. is doomed if they do THIS” arguments invariably ignores the fact that “they” will suffer mightily under such a scenario, and likely worse.

Virtually every western nation carries national debt. The U.S. spends a tiny percent of its aggregate output on its defense, even with the costs of Iraq. It uses a very small percentage of its population in its far-flung military roles. This is about as far from Rome, or Britain, or any other previous “superpower” you can name as possible. This plays directly into the fiscal and economic topic, where the differences are equally staggering.

But, hey, it sounds a whole lot better when you’re ticked off politically to just latch onto “falling just like Rome!” line. Just, you know, forget about the rest.


29 posted on 08/14/2007 5:01:56 PM PDT by Sandreckoner
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To: Sandreckoner

I don’t believe the U.S. will go the way of Rome. I do believe we’re in for a recession.


30 posted on 08/14/2007 5:03:45 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Sterlis

How cliché...


31 posted on 08/14/2007 5:04:27 PM PDT by Zeon Cowboy (Pardon Ramos and Compean NOW! // Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Sterlis

I brought that very point up many years ago. I was laughed at by my congressperson.


32 posted on 08/14/2007 5:06:45 PM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END WELFARE.)
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To: Sterlis

I brought that very point up many years ago. I was laughed at by my congressperson.


33 posted on 08/14/2007 5:06:49 PM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END WELFARE.)
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To: All

Same crap I heard when Reagan was President......


34 posted on 08/14/2007 5:13:32 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Mitt Romney 08)
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To: xcamel
ahem
35 posted on 08/14/2007 6:00:47 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Sterlis

This guys a retard.


36 posted on 08/14/2007 6:18:21 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...a conservative alternative to NPR! Check out nat synd "Rightalk with Terri and Lynn")
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To: xcamel

Thats all well and good NOW. When I searched I received no hits so I posted. The site search engine has had a lag for years as all search engines do. FR has also had the multiple post police for years as well. There should be a link next to Reply that says “Bitch about multiple posts” it would save time.


37 posted on 08/14/2007 7:14:30 PM PDT by Sterlis (My brain is full.....)
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To: ModelBreaker

there you go. the tagline for liberalism is dead on, just 1,000 years too early. In other words we aren’t anywhere near evolved to think that the majority of liberal policies do nothing but exascerbate (sp) the condition they attempt to remedy. One way to beat them is to attack them using the culture of blame they so cherish.

Example. I’m waiting to hear who’ll be the first one to get smart and start suing the ACLU and the others who actively work against the immigration laws. I’m thinking someone may have a lawsuit here when a loved one is hurt or killed by an illegal. Using the trial lawyer shotgun approach to assigning blame, there should not be a person left standing who won’t have to answer to the process should this guy have a record. It’s got to be like enforcing the drunk driving laws. Any more you can’t let anyone go, whereas in the past famous or connected people might have be given a pass at the station or in the field. Why? Liability should they go out later and run someone over drunk. Same same.


38 posted on 08/14/2007 7:32:42 PM PDT by kinghorse (I didn't question Nancy's patriotism. I questioned her judgment - Dick Cheney 2007)
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To: kinghorse
there you go. the tagline for liberalism is dead on, just 1,000 years too early. In other words we aren’t anywhere near evolved to think that the majority of liberal policies do nothing but exascerbate (sp) the condition they attempt to remedy.

I'm disagreeing with your notion of "evolved" humans as in somehow more advanced or better. If you changed human nature so as to make leftist policies practical, you would have people unrecognizable as humans--drones for the state, in effect. Karl Marx's "New Man" never emerged and never will absent the genetic engineering of the entire human race to be Eloi's.

The tragedy of liberalism is not that it is before it's time. The tragedy is that it is wrong, impractical and immoral and should never have come into being in the first place. It should have been laughed out of the room before it ever got loose to mess up billions of lives. But, fallible as always, human nature rushes to embrace that which is doomed to fail because of human nature.

39 posted on 08/15/2007 1:00:52 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Posting guidelines are your friend.

Why not just bump the existing thread and add your comments? I just don't see any upside to starting a new thread on a duplicate, four hours after or not.

*shrug*

40 posted on 08/15/2007 7:27:45 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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