The perp.
Posted on 08/15/2007 9:59:36 AM PDT by F15Eagle
Roman Catholic leader stokes already heated debate on religion
AMSTERDAM - A Roman Catholic Bishop in the Netherlands has proposed people of all faiths refer to God as Allah to foster understanding, stoking an already heated debate on religious tolerance in a country with one million Muslims.
Bishop Tiny Muskens, from the southern diocese of Breda, told Dutch television on Monday that God did not mind what he was named and that in Indonesia, where Muskens spent eight years, priests used the word "Allah" while celebrating Mass.
"Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? ... What does God care what we call him? It is our problem."
(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...
"allah" is a moon rock gawd that *isn't* the God of Israel. "allah" intends to kill all the Jews at the Last Hour and the God of Israel will save Israel and the Jew from being completely destroyed.
Ishmael's descendents, many of them anyways, exchanged the God of Israel for this imposter that inspired mad mo in the 7th century.
Two different end-game goals. Two different "gods": One Real and the other a wannabe, the Serpent from the Garden.
Revelation 12:9 KJV And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the Earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 20:2 KJV And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
oy vey
Bishop—
that God is not my God, and never will be
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Bingo!! Well said!
There is no god named Allah and Mohammad is his false prophet.
Amen. I will never call the God of Israel as “allah”. Be it known unto them.
“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn’t we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? ... What does God care what we call him? It is our problem.”
Here’s the test of that: ask Muslim’s to stop referring to their god as Allah and see what happens.
This man is a Catholic Bishop and he is spouting such things?
This POS needs to be excommunicated yesterday.
thank you
Bishop, the Roman Catholic Church has a time-tested way of dealing with people like you. It is called excommunication.
Thou shalt have no other God before me, Bishop.
It was only a matter of time.
No kidding. His head would be cut off in a second — in “peace” mind you.
What a fool.
Next he’ll want to stop calling Jesus Christ “God” for fear of offending Muslims.
But he probably stopped doing that long ago.
How very liberal and cowardly. This man has lost sight of his God, his faith. Sad - and dangerous for his flock.
This guy is a moron. Bishop or not, he’s an idiot.
I will never, ever refer to my God as allah. To me, allah means evil, and in many ways, may as well be Satan.
p*ss on allah. How’s that for understanding?
Interesting way to appease a faith whose primary tenant is to destroy all non-believers. I’m sure they would much prefer that he just shoot himself.
OK Bishop Tiny, thanks for the update on what God minds and doesn't mind. By the way, I think he wouldn't mind if we called you Bishop Bonehead right about now. Unless of course your mind is partial to Tiny.
Why not Shiva? Why not Ba’al?
What an idiot....
Incredible. Allah is no God but a blood-thirsty demon.
He's so open minded! But only three commandments are broken in advocating worship of a false god, theft, and adultery. Surely the other seven deserve attack also?
Are you sure that this isn't from The Onion!??
Excellent question...
He even looks like a weak man.
The Pope should throw this idiot out of the Church immediately!
Also posted here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1880622/posts
I think we should call the Bishop “janitor” just to make it easy
How about instead we ask the muzzies to call allah “Yahweh”? That way, the Jews and the Christians and the Muslims could all be satisfied.
I’m sure you and your Muslim enablers will enjoy the eternal hot climate.
As you well know, and all Christians should know, the koran and the hadiths go to great lengths to deny every single New Testament important belief regarding Jesus Christ, the Gospel, the Holy Trinity, that Christ is God the Son, the Resurrection, the Eternal Reign of Christ (their “jesus” is killed after 1000 years), etc. etc. etc.
By clearest definition it is the most anti-christian doctrine explicitly stated on the face of the Earth.
Oh, and it wants to kill the Jew and destroy Israel for the “glory” of this “allah”.
That ought to be more than enough to convince anyone within earshot and an ounce of understanding.
Instead, Moslems should call Jesus Christ Lord and Savior in order to ease their way from Hell to Heaven.
I will no sooner worship Satan AKA Allah, as I will this misguided wooden-shoe dyke-pluggin’ Dutch nancy-boy.
Heretic! God Himself has told us His name. Allah is not it, and you, of all people, should know better.
In Islam there are “one hundred wondrous names of God”. 99 are known to all. One is known only to Ayatollahs. What is Allah hiding? Let’s see. Allah was the most powerful of the Sand Jiins. A Sand Jiin is a Demon. Who is the most powerful Demon?
Perhaps the Pope needs to have a private chat with this bishop.
Muslims protest that Allah is simply the Arabic word for "God" and that we all worship the same spirit.
Not true.
The Qur'an says that “Ilah” is the Arabic word for “God” and that “Allah” is his name. Qur'an 3:62 “There is no Ilah (God) except Allah.” Qur'an 52:43 “Have they an ilah (god) other than Allah?” Qur'an 5:4 etc.
sorry I did a search on the full title and didn’t see the other ... and my blood was boiling a bit, too, LOL.
*they* are the ones needing to show tolerance, not Dutch Christians...
The name does matter. Although the various names refer to the same entity, (Jehovah, Allah, Elohim, God), the human context of those names makes each one entirely different.
To be consistent, will this jerk ask his favorite people to use the word “Elohim”? I can guarantee the answer is no.
Allah Fubar!
This bishop needs to removed from his post and sent to a monastary for the rest of his life to contemplate his stupidity and blasphemy.
how about we just eradicate Islam and call it a day?
The Koran / Hadiths on Jews, Christians, Christianity, Jesus Christ, the Gospel,
The Deity of Christ, the Holy Trinity, the Bible (the Book) and Infidels
Note: Because of variances in korans, some verses may be slightly off in different versions. For example, 3:85 is found as 3:84 in certain korans. Also, since the events of 9/11/2001, the University of Michigan has tried to sanitize some of the following passages by changing the word “jihad” to “battle” though the obvious context of the passages remains abundantly clear.
Reference URL’s
http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html
“The Women” [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
[3.85] “And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.”
[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.
[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
The Cattle - [6.146] And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
The Congregation [62.6] Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful. (PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE)
The Cow - [2.111] And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.
The Dinner Table - The Dinner Table [5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.
[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.
Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).
“Fight those who do not profess the true faith [ISLAM], till they pay the jiziya with the hand of humility.” - Koran 9: 29
“.... I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.” - Koran 8:12
“Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.” - Koran 9: 73
“When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.” - Koran 47:4
“The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom....” - Koran 5: 33-34
” Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.” - Koran 9: 29
“....the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.” - Koran 98: 1-8
“Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: ‘Taste the torment of the Conflagration!’” - Koran 22: 19-22, 23
“And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high and would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds. “ - Koran 31-37
“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror.” - Koran, 5:33-34)
“In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost.” - Koran, 8:37
According to the New Testament of the Bible, the God of Israel has a Son
- Jesus Christ of Nazareth; but Allah has no son according to the Koran
Therefore the Biblical New Testament Christian God of Israel is not Allah
“They say: Allah has taken a Son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: he is the Self-sufficient: his is what is in the heavens and what is in the Earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know? Say: Those who forge a lie against Allah shall not be successful.” - Koran 10:68-69 [SAYS JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD AND WHOEVER SAYS SO IS A LIAR]
“....the Christians call ‘Christ the Son Of God’. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth.” - Koran 9: 30
The Women - [4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and his Word which he communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and his apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one god; far be It from his glory that he should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector. (CLEARLY STATES THAT JESUS IS **NOT** THE SON OF GOD)
The Immunity - Denial of Deity of Christ and His Messiahship - [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (MAY ALLAH DESTROY JEWS AND CHRISTIANS)
Say: “Praise be to Allah Who begets no son and has no partner in (His) dominion: nor (needs) he any to protect him from humiliation: Yea magnify him for his greatness and glory!” - Koran 17: 111
Further that he may warn those (also) who say “Allah hath begotten a son”: - Koran 18: 4
It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that he should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When he determines a matter he only says to it “Be” and it is. - Koran 19: 35
They say: “(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!” Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! - Koran 19: 88-89
For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that he should beget a son. - Koran 19: 92
No son did Allah beget nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods) behold each god would have taken away what he had created and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah (he is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! - Koran 23: 91
he begetteth not nor is he begotten; - Koran 112: 3
Jihad the Best Deed - Hadiths say Muslims will kill all Jews at the Last Hour
Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar:
Allah’s Apostle said, “You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ “
Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, “The (Final) Hour (last human battle on Earth) will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 595:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
(the mother of the faithful believers) I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed.” The Prophet said, “The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj Mabrur. “
Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet was asked, “Which is the best deed?” He said, “To believe in Allah and His Apostle.” He was then asked, “Which is the next (in goodness)?” He said, “To participate in Jihad in Allah’s Cause.” He was then asked, “Which is the next?” He said, “To perform Hajj-Mabrur. “
Hadith Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar: I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!’ “
Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.”
Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are): “There is a Jew behind me.”
Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.”
Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. ‘Umar reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: “The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.”
Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.”
Mohammed was about 51 years old when he married a 6-year-old girl. 3 years later when
Mohammed was about 54 years old, he consummated his marriage to the 9-year-old girl
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [5:58:234] Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.
HADITH Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 235: Narrated ‘Aisha:
That the Prophet said to her, “You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). ‘This is your wife.’ When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, ‘If this is from Allah, it will be done.”
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:64] Narrated ‘Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
It’s considered OK for a muslim to kill an infidel, even if it’s another muslim
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, “Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah’s Book?” ‘Ali replied, “...we have what is written in this paper as well.” I asked, “What is written in this paper?” He replied, “...the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel.”
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260] Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn ‘Abbas, who said, “Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, ‘Don’t punish (anybody) with Allah’s Punishment.’ No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ “
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [6:61:577] Narrated ‘Ali:
I heard the Prophet saying, “In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection.”
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [9:84:64] Narrated ‘Ali:
Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah’s Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.”
God is not Allah.
Allah is not God.
It's that simple.
- John
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