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Trying To Fathom Farming's Origins
The Columbus Dispatch ^ | 8-14-2007 | Bradley T Lepper

Posted on 08/15/2007 10:42:04 AM PDT by blam

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To: Citizen Tom Paine
"What about trans-Pacific early contacts? "

No doubt. Click on the link in post #33 and read the book review.

51 posted on 08/16/2007 10:36:54 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: tarheelswamprat
Farming began because early men needed the grain to make beer.

Later, grape farming developed because girly men needed the grapes to make chablis...

Which just goes to show that food is just an accompaniment to beer and wine and isn't all that necessary on its own!

52 posted on 08/16/2007 11:05:50 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: null and void

“A meal literally fit for a Kinge or well paying traveler may not reflect what the peasants were eating.”

If you read the whole article it addresses that quite well. The lower classes ate animal products, they just ate alot more organ meats and not as much of the prime cuts. For example, the intestines were referred to as “umbles”, and that was the main ingredient in “umble pie”. That’s where the modern expression “humble pie” came from.

Also, all the classes ate as lots of fat. The muscle tissue was no doubt much leaner than today’s corn-fed beef but they preferred the fat and the fattier cuts. Most of the lower classes ate meat stews with bread as a regular meal, washed down with beer or wine since they didn’t have refrigeration to keep liquids from spoiling.


53 posted on 08/16/2007 6:13:24 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: Rudder
...farming as a way of artificially boosting food production.

Not to give any credit to humans for being instinctively inventive and supremely adaptive....

The author seems to have trouble accepting that people invented farming, not armadillos.

54 posted on 08/16/2007 6:21:12 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: blam
"...why people all suddenly turned to farming required a global explanation."

For the life of me, I can't see why a "global explanation" is necessary.

Take four groups of people at random. Place them in four different locations. Confront them all with the same problem (in this case, food supply).

Would you not expect them all to arrive at the same optimum solution?

Because, if they didn't, wouldn't they starve and die out?

55 posted on 08/16/2007 6:27:19 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: null and void
I'm convinced that there are 9,000 year old American fruit cakes, because I've received several of them. Personally, I'd much prefer the squash.


56 posted on 08/16/2007 7:12:30 PM PDT by xJones
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To: blam
where did all the people who built this 'stuff' go?

I'm still thinking about that. Here's an excerpt from Worlds In Collision that might provide a clue. Throughout the book, there are many other pre-Columbian legends...

POPUL-VUH, the sacred book of the Mayas, narrates: "It was ruin and destruction ... the sea was piled up ... it was a great inundation ... people were drowned in a sticky substance raining from the sky. ... The face of the earth grew dark and the gloomy rain endured days and nights. ... And then there was a great din of fire above their heads." The entire population of the land was annihilated.

The MANUSCRIPT QUICHÉ perpetuated the picture of the population of Mexico perishing in a downpour of bitumen: "There descended from the sky a rain of bitumen and of a sticky substance. ... The earth was obscured and it rained day and night. And men ran hither and thither and were as if seized by madness; they tried to climb to the roofs, and the houses crashed down; they tried to climb the trees, and the trees cast them far away; and when they tried to escape in caves and caverns, these were suddenly closed."

A similar account is preserved in the ANNALS OF CUAUHTITLAN. The age which ended in the rain of fire was called QUIAUH-TONATIUH, which means "the sun of fire-rain".

And far away, in the other hemisphere, in Siberia, the Voguls carried down through the centuries and millennia this memory: "God sent a sea of fire upon the earth. ... The cause of the fire they call 'the fire-water'."

57 posted on 08/16/2007 9:11:07 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: blam

Squash grown 10,000 years ago in Peru
Yahoo | Thu Jun 28, 6:09 PM ET | by Randolph E. Schmid, AP Science Writer
Posted on 06/28/2007 9:39:04 PM EDT by Fred Nerks
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1858039/posts

Andean Crops Cultivated Almost 10,000 Years Ago
Discover Magazine | 1-15-2008 | Michael Abrams
Posted on 01/17/2008 6:55:35 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1955416/posts


58 posted on 01/21/2008 11:51:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: grjr21
I figure people started farming about 15 minuets after discovering beer

That's got to be the most self-evident theory I've ever heard. But then one must ask, how was beer discovered? "What's urine looking liquid? Oh well, I guess I'll just drink it". Or perhaps Art Bell is right about strangers coming to visit with gifts.

59 posted on 01/22/2008 12:04:44 AM PST by fella (Is he al-taquiya or is he murtadd? Only his iman knows for sure.)
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60 posted on 04/29/2012 8:38:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: tiki
Another explanation is that grains like corn are not "complete" proteins and lack some amino acids, etc.... so people that discovered how useful corn is would have an abundant and fairly reliable food supply to keep bellies full and boost the birthrate, but over the long term their bodies were subjected to the effects of malnutrition. Corn was an awesome crop but without beans or a lot of meat to complete it- it has a hidden bad side. People in the Americas were very healthy until its discovery but in its heyday they started showing serious dental abcesses and other diseases due to malnutrition even as their population and civilizations arose. Not to mention the stationary settled life- as opposed to the hunter gatherer life- was an open invitation to communicable disease.
61 posted on 01/17/2013 1:35:39 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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