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Anger boils over against Iraq war(Portland,Or.)
The Oregonian ^ | August 15, 2007 | JEFF MAPES

Posted on 08/15/2007 2:55:13 PM PDT by crazyhorse691

Town hall meeting - Sen. Ron Wyden takes heat for Congress not bringing the troops home

Although few senators can match U.S. Sen. Ron Wyden's long record opposing the war in Iraq, it didn't protect him from being thoroughly roasted Tuesday by angry anti-war activists at a town hall meeting in Portland.

The noontime event at Portland State University attracted more than 300 people, many of whom charged that the Oregon Democrat hasn't done enough to end the war. The senator was also repeatedly verbally flayed for not supporting the impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

"Do you have any idea how angry we are at the Democrats?" Joe Walsh, a Vietnam War veteran from Portland, asked Wyden as many in the crowd loudly cheered and applauded. Walsh noted that the death toll continues to rise while the Democratic majority in Congress fails to cut off money for the war. "How do you sleep at night?" he asked.

Wyden repeatedly cited his own record of opposition to the war, starting in 2002 when he was one of 23 senators to vote against authorizing the president to use force against Iraq. And he noted he was one of just 14 senators who voted against a bill to finance the troops this May after Bush vetoed an earlier funding measure that called for a troop withdrawal.

"Every single day I try to find additional ways to generate support for our cause of a timely, safe withdrawal" of the troops, said Wyden. "I try every single day to find another way to push that rock up the hill."

The meeting was dominated by a wide variety of anti-war groups -- from Military Families Speak Out to the Peace Action Committee of the First Unitarian Church -- that have begun to turn on the new Democratic leadership of Congress as being insufficiently tough enough in taking on the Bush administration. While polls show most Americans oppose the war, many Democratic lawmakers have worried that abruptly cutting off military funding would expose them to charges that they are endangering the safety of the troops in a war zone.

When Wyden talked about how the Bush administration had gone "way over the line" in taking the country into the war, several interrupted him by shouting, "Criminals!"

The senator also received a skeptical reaction when he argued that trying to impeach the president and vice president would only divert Congress from other work and fail to gain enough votes anyway. And when Wyden insisted that Iran was responsible for supplying some of the roadside bombs that have killed many U.S. troops, several people booed.

"You've been listening to Cheney too much," one woman shouted.

No one spoke up in favor of the administration's policy in Iraq.

Some speakers did praise Wyden for being a consistent critic of the war and asked what they could do to build support in Congress for cutting off money. Wyden said he thought pressure would build to withdraw the troops after Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, delivers his report on the war in mid-September.

Wyden said he doubts Petraeus will be able to show much progress toward a stable government that is unifying the country, and he said there should be a "national mobilization" of anti-war critics to put pressure on Congress.

After his town hall, Wyden met privately with 10 of the anti-war activists and they talked more about how to bring pressure on Congress, according to Wyden's chief of staff, Josh Kardon.

Kardon said he thought many activists were so angered by the war that they were failing to realize how few members of Congress are willing to simply cut off military funding.

Wyden "gets up every day trying to end the war," Kardon said. "But he can't change the law of physics."

Still, several activists said they thought Wyden should do more to pressure Congress and the administration to end the war, including raising the threat of impeachment.

"What Bush and Cheney have done is criminal, and they should be prosecuted," said Marlene Schaffer, who has a son, daughter and husband serving in Iraq. When asked after the meeting if she was satisfied with Wyden's explanations, she said: "I think it's more lip service."

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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

And they continue to turn on their own. Good way for their own to turn our way. :’)

41 posted on 08/15/2007 4:53:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, August 14, 2007.
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To: ken21

“all of the burned out hippiesin california have moved to

Not exactly accurate. In addition to Oregon, there are a fair number in the state of Washington, Colorado, and their offspring are still in California spouting the views that would convince the rest of America that they are not American. Simple minded rhetoric.

42 posted on 08/15/2007 5:07:29 PM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: mainepatsfan
I thank God these nuts weren't around during WWII.

 Actually, they were around during WWII.  The difference is that back then they had Uncle Joe Stalin telling them what to do.  Pre Operation Barbarossa, they were against US involvement in WWII.  Post Barbarossa, they were for it.

Today, there is no Stalin to lead them. Instead, they have adopted the de facto position that 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'

43 posted on 08/15/2007 6:02:15 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: crazyhorse691
God bless her and her family. May they all make it home safely.
44 posted on 08/15/2007 6:10:17 PM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: LibLieSlayer

The b!tch is lying!

See post #7...she does have 3 family serving...and don’t insult female dogs by comparing them to her.

45 posted on 08/15/2007 6:17:23 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: crazyhorse691
"How do you sleep at night?" he asked.

On my side. Sometimes on my back.
46 posted on 08/15/2007 6:18:32 PM PDT by Jaysun (It's outlandishly inappropriate to suggest that I'm wrong.)
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To: crazyhorse691

When people get that far out of whack doesn’t the Fed send in the Guard? Oh that’s only for the southern people. I gotcha. They ought to be sending the Guard out to SF to protect the assault on free speech that’s going on there. I mean the locals are attempting to defy the Constitution. Where’s the defense of the Constitution?

47 posted on 08/15/2007 7:35:48 PM PDT by kinghorse (I didn't question Nancy's patriotism. I questioned her judgment - Dick Cheney 2007)
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To: mainepatsfan

Indeed. Could we pull together and help Cindy Sheehan run for President instead of just Pelosi’s senate seat ?

That would split them and be fun to watch the dem nominee try to deal with.

48 posted on 08/15/2007 8:17:03 PM PDT by festus (I'm a fRedneck and proud of it.)
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To: RedQuill

Even funnier is a Unitarian Church being united on a common goal or belief.

(Besides of course their unifying belief of “anything but Christ and the Bible”.)

49 posted on 08/15/2007 8:18:34 PM PDT by festus (I'm a fRedneck and proud of it.)
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To: crazyhorse691
Wyden "gets up every day trying to end the war," Kardon said. "But he can't change the law of physics."

What does THAT mean?

50 posted on 08/15/2007 8:24:30 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (CLYBURN: Well, that would be a real big problem for us, no question about that.)
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To: festus

Pelosi’s senate seat


51 posted on 08/15/2007 10:55:32 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: festus

I heard once that a Unitarian prayer begins with “To Whomever it may concern . . .”

52 posted on 08/16/2007 2:33:54 AM PDT by Berosus ("The candidates that can't face Fox News can't face Al Qaeda."--Roger Ailes)
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To: crazyhorse691
I still doubt what she says... and I wonder if it is true... is she mentally ill or like sheehan in that she is actually divorced? What family, with three members serving, would tolerate her?


53 posted on 08/16/2007 3:57:41 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: crazyhorse691

Senate, House, whatever ;-)

54 posted on 08/16/2007 4:37:59 AM PDT by festus (I'm a fRedneck and proud of it.)
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To: billbears

Her opinion probably has a lot of feeling behind it.

We certainly agree on that point. Unfortunately, if left unchecked, those feelings could turn into the precise kind of actions the terrorists are banking on.

There are many effective ways she can express her feelings that would honor her family. IMO, in this case, she has chosen poorly.

Thanks for correcting my spelling. I feel foolish for missing that one.

55 posted on 08/16/2007 8:02:39 AM PDT by mad puppy (I'd rather live a day on my feet than a year on my knees)
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To: crazyhorse691; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; ...
Oregon Ping

Please notify me via FReepmail if you would like to be added to or taken off the Oregon Ping List.

56 posted on 08/16/2007 9:07:32 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: verity

you can say all the junk you want to about Ron Wyden, but when I needed help with the VA to speed up a claim to keep me and my family off of the streets, he came through in a big way. You may not agree with his Politics(neither do I), but he is THERE when Vets need help.

57 posted on 08/21/2007 10:54:27 PM PDT by rontorr (It's just my opinion, but I am RIGHT!)
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