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Rookie cop who killed himself removed clip, left bullet in chamber
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | August 15, 2007 | Jaxon Van Derbeken,John Coté,

Posted on 08/15/2007 6:19:19 PM PDT by walkerk

The San Francisco rookie police officer who accidentally shot himself to death fired his weapon while displaying for a female friend how officers are taught to avoid having their guns used against them, law enforcement authorities said Tuesday.

The incident happened at 1:40 a.m. Saturday during a gathering of as many as 15 people at the San Mateo apartment of the 23-year-old officer, James Gustafson Jr.

According to those familiar with the incident, Gustafson was showing his Police Department-issued semiautomatic pistol after removing the clip that stores the rounds. He explained that there are ways an officer can disable a weapon in close proximity to keep it from being fired.

It apparently was part of a demonstration of the department's "weapons retention" procedures. However, there was still a bullet in the chamber.

Gustafson pointed the weapon at his neck and pulled the trigger, shooting himself, according to authorities.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; copkiller; darwinawards; donutwatch; gunsafety; leo; rkba
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1 posted on 08/15/2007 6:19:21 PM PDT by walkerk
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To: walkerk

sad


2 posted on 08/15/2007 6:20:18 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: walkerk

Sounds like he was playing with his gun at a party.


3 posted on 08/15/2007 6:21:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: walkerk; All

Barney!!!


4 posted on 08/15/2007 6:24:02 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Mitt Romney 08)
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To: walkerk
MAGAZINE!
5 posted on 08/15/2007 6:24:03 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: walkerk
he got the retention part right...

How about the "gun is always to be considered loaded, never point your weapon at something you aren't willing to destroy, fire only when you can identify your target and what lies behind it...

SF Police..... sad. If this was at a party, do you think that alcohol might have been involved?

6 posted on 08/15/2007 6:24:16 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: walkerk

I think he probably left a bit more of an impression on her than he intended.


7 posted on 08/15/2007 6:25:14 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: walkerk

All right class... How many of the 4 cardinal rules of safe firearms handling were violated in this incident?


8 posted on 08/15/2007 6:25:25 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: walkerk

Typical broke-diche press. A ‘clip’ is used in a rifle such as the M-1 Garand. And the poor officer that killed himself is another casualty of departments that do not stress realistic training in the handling of firearms.

It did happen in the emerald city...

ruefully


9 posted on 08/15/2007 6:25:44 PM PDT by petro45acp (NO good endeavor survives an excess of "adult supervision" (read bureaucracy)!)
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To: walkerk
This may be the same reason that DEA shot himself in the leg during a "gun safety" demonstration.

On semi-autos you have to remove the magazine, then cycle the action to clear the chamber.


10 posted on 08/15/2007 6:27:18 PM PDT by Disambiguator (What's the temperature, Albert?)
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To: walkerk

Oh Good Lord. Young guy impressing a girl. Probably alcohol, forgot to check the chamber. What a waste. Prayers for his loved ones.


11 posted on 08/15/2007 6:28:14 PM PDT by RDTF (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but Democrats believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: walkerk

It’s scary how little firearms training some LEOs receive. He should not have been graduated without knowing better than to pull a stunt like that. He probably thought he was well trained.


12 posted on 08/15/2007 6:29:05 PM PDT by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit. ~ Ţ)
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To: ASA Vet

Well, at least they said “rounds” instead of bullets.


13 posted on 08/15/2007 6:29:19 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Political Correctness Is Going To Get Us All Killed)
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To: walkerk

14 posted on 08/15/2007 6:29:39 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: walkerk

I for one would feel much safer if our noble legislators would condescend to provide the public with more restrictive gun control laws! /s


15 posted on 08/15/2007 6:31:04 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: walkerk

I would guess that the guy was never around guns before he became a cop. Having grown up in a house full of guns and been taught the basics from the time I could walk, I can’t even imagine doing this. I could take the magazine out, check the chamber 10 times, and I would still probably be mentally unable to force myself to point a gun at my neck and pull the trigger


16 posted on 08/15/2007 6:31:07 PM PDT by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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To: ASA Vet

Of course, they used “bullet” in the headline.


17 posted on 08/15/2007 6:32:13 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Political Correctness Is Going To Get Us All Killed)
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To: walkerk
"Gustafson pointed the weapon at his neck and pulled the trigger"

Ooops!

18 posted on 08/15/2007 6:34:44 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: KevinDavis

Oh my Barney, had a jailhouse
Had a key but couldn’t lock it
Had a bullet for his pistol
Had to keep it in his pocket!


19 posted on 08/15/2007 6:35:30 PM PDT by The Lumster (USA - where the innocent have nothing to fear!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Yep, good thing it didn’t have a case, primer, and powder. It could have been thrown at a house in Irag.


20 posted on 08/15/2007 6:36:32 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: walkerk

Darwin award!


21 posted on 08/15/2007 6:40:53 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Yes, but you know only police should be allowed to have guns.


22 posted on 08/15/2007 6:42:15 PM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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To: walkerk
It looks like that training didn’t take too well with him.
23 posted on 08/15/2007 6:43:01 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Disambiguator
I viewed the video of the DEA agent shooting himself. Snopes has some interesting commentary on the incident here. Note at the end of the article, the DEA investigated the source of the video not for demonstrating the complete ineptitude of one of their employees, but for showing his face. Our tax dollars at work.
24 posted on 08/15/2007 6:43:30 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: tickmeister

A friend of mine who lives in the city called the police one morning because a deer wandering through was hit by a car.

The cop put the gun against the deer’s skull at about 4 inches from the concrete. My friend pointed out that he may want to try shooting it at a bit of an angle so when the projectile rebounded off the pavement he wouldn’t catch it in the face or something. The cop ended up calling animal control to finish it off.


25 posted on 08/15/2007 6:43:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: walkerk

Remember kids: he was a professional - don’t try this at home.


26 posted on 08/15/2007 6:45:42 PM PDT by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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To: walkerk

My dad used to say nothing good ever happens after midnight.

One time I was clearing my pistol and dropped the mag and then pulled the slide back. I then reholstered and it occured to me the round never came out of the chamber. I looked and it was still in there. The extractor had failed and I still had a loaded gun which I thought was empty.

I’m a range safety officer for the IDPA and the other safety officers are the only ones who give me trouble when it comes time to clear weapons. The other competitors and especially the new members never give me half the trouble like the ones who should know better.


27 posted on 08/15/2007 6:46:08 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: walkerk

Was alcohol involved?
Prayers for the officers family. But you simply dont point a gun at anybody unless you plan to use it. And all guns are to be considered loaded even if you think they are not...is that not correct gun theory?


28 posted on 08/15/2007 6:46:52 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: walkerk

I saw a fellow get shot right in the center of the back of his neck by a .38. Not pretty, not pretty at all. Quarts of blood on the ground in seconds.


29 posted on 08/15/2007 6:47:22 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Al Gore is Soylent Green!)
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To: tickmeister

“I would guess that the guy was never around guns before he became a cop. Having grown up in a house full of guns and been taught the basics from the time I could walk, I can’t even imagine doing this. I could take the magazine out, check the chamber 10 times, and I would still probably be mentally unable to force myself to point a gun at my neck and pull the trigger..”

___________________________________________________________

Growing up in the same environment....I know EXACTLY what you mean. Hell.....I get the willies staring down the barrel of a completely unassembled firearm while cleaning it.


30 posted on 08/15/2007 6:48:50 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: walkerk

P.O.S.T certification malpractice.


31 posted on 08/15/2007 6:49:05 PM PDT by borntoraisehogs (Our lives,our fortunes,our sacred honor)
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To: walkerk

Odds on favorite for Darwin Award of the Year.


32 posted on 08/15/2007 6:49:34 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: walkerk
This cop didn't learn at the police academy what I learned from my father at age 8. Every gun is always loaded and never point it at something you don't want to put a hole in.

Sad for him and his family and loved ones but better he not be on the street where he could have hurt a partner or a civilian.

33 posted on 08/15/2007 6:51:10 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: ASA Vet

snork......


34 posted on 08/15/2007 6:52:37 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Political Correctness Is Going To Get Us All Killed)
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To: Nailbiter

ping


35 posted on 08/15/2007 6:52:48 PM PDT by IncPen (The Liberal's Reward is Self Disgust)
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To: walkerk

He obviously didn’t spend much personal time handling firearms. When I handle my semi-auto pistols, when I remove the magazine, it’s almost a reflexive action to pull back the slide to verify an empty chamber. This should ALWAYS be done when handing the pistol to another person if they want to look it over.

This guy had no business carrying a gun. Though tragic, at least he killed himself instead of someone else.....


36 posted on 08/15/2007 6:52:48 PM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: tickmeister

I would guess that the guy was never around guns before he became a cop. Having grown up in a house full of guns and been taught the basics from the time I could walk, I can’t even imagine doing this. I could take the magazine out, check the chamber 10 times, and I would still probably be mentally unable to force myself to point a gun at my neck and pull the trigger

Well put.


37 posted on 08/15/2007 6:53:16 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: cripplecreek

Been there - Seen that. My friend’s boyfriend. Guess he thought he would impress us (a gruop of friends) by putting his seemingly unloaded gun to his head and pulling the trigger. One still in the chamber though - not pretty. I’m just thankful no one else was hurt or killed. And of course there was alcohol involved.


38 posted on 08/15/2007 6:55:05 PM PDT by mommya
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To: elkfersupper
To go along with your posted photo of ATF training methods,
here's a video of our Border Patrol training.
39 posted on 08/15/2007 6:56:38 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: walkerk

Hot lead, cold beer and testosterone are a deadly combination.


40 posted on 08/15/2007 6:56:56 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: walkerk
However, there was still a bullet in the chamber.

How was he supposed to know. He was a rookie. Shouldn't someone have told him that pointing a gun at yourself can be hazardous to your health? Obviously he couldn't reason that pointing a gun at someone else could get them killed therefore pointing a gun at himself could have a similar result. That only comes with years of experience in law enforcement. Or, in this case, a blinding instant of enlightenment.

41 posted on 08/15/2007 6:58:53 PM PDT by FreePaul
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To: tickmeister

I remember my first deer hunt with my old man. (I must have been 7 or so and armed with a BB gun!) But alas I swung the barrel around carelessly and had to sit in the car the rest of the day.


42 posted on 08/15/2007 7:02:06 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: Disambiguator

And here’s the rest of the story:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0411061foot1.html
A Drug Enforcement Administration agent who stars in a popular online video that shows him shooting himself in the foot during a weapons demonstration for Florida children is suing over the tape’s release, claiming that his career has been crippled and he’s become a laughingstock due to the embarrassing clip’s distribution. Lee Paige, 45, blames the video’s release on DEA officials in an April 7 federal lawsuit filed against the U.S. government. A copy of the pro se complaint by Paige, a DEA agent since 1990, can be found below. According to the lawsuit, Paige was making a “drug education presentation” in April 2004 to a Florida youth group when his firearm (a Glock .40) accidentally discharged. The shooting occurred moments after Paige told the children that he was the only person in the room professional enough to carry the weapon. The accident was filmed by an audience member, and the tape, Paige claims, was turned over to the DEA. The drug agency subsequently “improperly, illegally, willfully and/or intentionally” allowed the tape to be disseminated. As a result, Paige—pictured above in a still from the video—has been the “target of jokes, derision, ridicule, and disparaging comments” directed at him in restaurants, grocery stores, and airports. Paige, who writes that he was “once regarded as one of the best undercover agents, if not the best, in the DEA,” points to the clip’s recent airing on popular television shows and via the Internet as the reason he can no longer work undercover. He also notes that he is no longer “permitted or able to give educational motivational speeches and presentations.”


43 posted on 08/15/2007 7:02:38 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: walkerk

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger of the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use


44 posted on 08/15/2007 7:03:25 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: walkerk
The San Francisco rookie police officer who accidentally shot himself to death fired his weapon while displaying for a female friend...

He shot his load earlier than he intended.

45 posted on 08/15/2007 7:07:05 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: XeniaSt

Those rules don’t apply to cops and G-men, dontcha know, because they are so much more per-fessional than the rest of us.

/s

TC Bump.


46 posted on 08/15/2007 7:08:01 PM PDT by Disambiguator (What's the temperature, Albert?)
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To: walkerk

Darwin candidate, possible semiannual winner of the year.


47 posted on 08/15/2007 7:08:50 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Disambiguator
Yeh, they don't use our rules ; they use Jeff's rules

48 posted on 08/15/2007 7:11:42 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt
Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

With all due respect, there is no such thing as an unloaded firerm.

I am also unaware of any safe directions in which to point a firearm.

Best regards,

49 posted on 08/15/2007 7:12:02 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: walkerk

Oro en Paz Fierro en Guerra


50 posted on 08/15/2007 7:14:03 PM PDT by this is my name not yours (Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
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