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Homeland Security Enlists Clergy to Quell Public Unrest if Martial Law Ever Declared
KSLA-TV SHREVEPORT, LA ^ | Aug 15, 2007 06:07 PM | Jeff Ferrell

Posted on 08/16/2007 6:59:53 PM PDT by FroedrickVonFreepenstein

Could martial law ever become a reality in America? Some fear any nuclear, biological or chemical attack on U.S. soil might trigger just that. KSLA News 12 has discovered that the clergy would help the government with potentially their biggest problem: Us.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloat; churchandstate; clergy; clergyresponseteams; dhs; governmentabuse; gungrab; locknload; martiallaw; possecomitatus; preparedness
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1 posted on 08/16/2007 6:59:58 PM PDT by FroedrickVonFreepenstein
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To: traviskicks; Joe Brower; OrthodoxPresbyterian

Check this out!


2 posted on 08/16/2007 7:05:47 PM PDT by FroedrickVonFreepenstein
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

We may find out sooner of later.


3 posted on 08/16/2007 7:07:26 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President 2008)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

Prior to the institution of the Dept of Homeland security, I wouldn’t have believed it. Prior to the discrediting of the church and Christian values I wouldn’t have believed it. Now, we’re just another aspiring 3rd world nation...and there’s no reason it couldn’t happen.


4 posted on 08/16/2007 7:13:48 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Fred Thompson isn't the second coming of Reagan; He's the second coming of Dole.)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein
Dr. Tuberville elaborated, "because the government's established by the Lord, you know. And, that's what we believe in the Christian faith. That's what's stated in the scripture."

It's The Divine Right of The State.

5 posted on 08/16/2007 7:17:22 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Here to help.)
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To: Old_Mil

So what do we do? This is the nightly news calmly discussing the institution of martial law, the confiscation of firearms, and the use of clergy as propagandists by the government. All this done by Democrats and Republicans together. It’s as if the Republic is already gone.


6 posted on 08/16/2007 7:19:01 PM PDT by FroedrickVonFreepenstein
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To: Oztrich Boy

Dr. Tuberville elaborated, “because the government’s established by the Lord, you know. And, that’s what we believe in the Christian faith. That’s what’s stated in the scripture.”

And added, plus they are giving us truck loads of cash to help them deliver our sheep to the kool-aid cafe.


7 posted on 08/16/2007 7:22:33 PM PDT by rineaux (the powers that be are laughing at us)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein
Hmmmm........interesting.

/jasper

8 posted on 08/16/2007 7:23:40 PM PDT by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie!!)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

My best guess: the reason Homeland Security is going this route is because of inner-city black people. Throughout American history, black ministers have been practically the only form of authority respected by most black people. The Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr., Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton are only the most recent of these authority figures. Rightly or wrongly, many inner-city blacks do not trust cops, soldiers, or other forms of “honky” authority to at in their interest; thus, it is far more likely than not that in a major civil emergency they would trust (and follow directions from) a black clergyman. Thus the drive to enlist the support of black clergymen now, before Al-Qaida or Hurricane Zzyzzx gets in its next shot.

You’ll notice that this news report originates in Shreveport, Louisiana — a city with a huge (and deeply troubled) inner-city black population. My guess is that the law & order folks in north Louisiana are quietly getting their marbles into one sock in order to avoid a repeat of Katrina if Shreveport ever suffers a similiar civil emergency.

A specter is haunting the Pelican State: the specter of Lootie...


9 posted on 08/16/2007 7:26:37 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

You can also find a discussion of this at the link below;
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/08/363598.shtml


10 posted on 08/16/2007 7:26:40 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

Hey, if an (R) does it that’s fine. Only bad if from the (D)’s...


11 posted on 08/16/2007 7:29:11 PM PDT by mgstarr
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

It’s as if the Republic is already gone.

I know you are not ready to throw in the towel.

Plenty of members of the National Guard were not to happy taking guns away from citizens in New Orleans after Katrina.

Lets just hope our troops are never spread way to thin over in the middle east that the US has to ask the UN to provide non US troops to protect our streets.

Sorry for my opinion , I just got a new tinfoil hat and it may be on a little too tight.


12 posted on 08/16/2007 7:31:16 PM PDT by rineaux (the powers that be are laughing at us)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein
"'the primary thing that we say to anybody is, 'let's cooperate and get this thing over with and then we'll settle the differences once the crisis is over.'"

And, by then it's just too damned late. Your rights have been tramped into the earth never to be seen or heard of again. To Hell with that!!

13 posted on 08/16/2007 7:37:52 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: rineaux

Sadly not too tight. Really the only way it could go down.


14 posted on 08/16/2007 7:40:56 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: B-Chan
What you said.

The extent to which lawlessness simmers beneath the surface of American life is not appreciated by many Americans. It is masked by nothing more than a plentiful supply of TV sport and fried chicken.

Katrina made New Orleans look like Mogadishu and its effects are still being felt. Al-Qaeda doesn't need to destroy America. We'll do it ourselves. All it needs to do is temporarily disrupt our gasoline supply or damage a few powerplants so we have no air conditioning and our "it's all about me" society will take it from there.

15 posted on 08/16/2007 7:47:12 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Yep — and it’s not just the ghetto tribes that we have to worry about. There are trailer parks and old apartment buildings full of lily-white psychopaths that are every bit as dangerous to civilized people as are the homeboys from the ‘hood. They kill each other frequently enough now, but are kept in check by liberal doses of police brutality; imagine what would happen if these tribes of shirtless, meth-lab running, pit-bull-owning feral humans saw the opportunity to go on the rampage without worrying about Johnny Law kicking their asses. They tend to have lots of guns, too...

And then there are the barrios...

Running to the country is no solution. That’s where the trailer parks are. In a city you’ve got neighbors to cover the other end of the block if everything goes to hell; look at the way Koreatown in LA became a fortress during the Rodney King Riots. In town, you also have a better chance of blending in to the crowd and avoiding the attention of the predators. In an isolated country house, on the other hand, you are nothing but a big fat target — and the sherriff and his boys are a long way away...


16 posted on 08/16/2007 7:57:31 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein
Could martial law ever become a reality in America?

I think at some time during the 1860's, martial law was a reality in certain parts of the U.S.

17 posted on 08/16/2007 7:59:04 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

Wow, the Clergymen who sign onto this need to ask themselves whom they serve, Govt or God?


18 posted on 08/16/2007 8:01:16 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein
a truly American value: An over-arching desire to protect our freedoms.

True but I recall W.W.II and by golly we survived with those restrictions -- and the enemy was thousands of miles away. I think that our total civilian casualties in W.W.II was about what we've suffered so far in this war. All but a couple over there some place, mostly in the Pacific I believe.

The enemy is among us this time what the hell to you want government to do?

I personally doubt that the Second Amendment will be suspended -- the enemy and his toadies are well known and they'll be sent off to camp for the duration. Good. Many more may follow depending upon whether or not the first roundup stops the killings.

The war will be here, how can anyone expect no impact on our day-to-day lives?

PC restrictions will guarantee our defeat if we try to keep on keepin' on.

If it's a Rat Party (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party) president then we may be considered their enemy within. I'm counting on our military and most elements of LE to ignore the Rats and do the right thing.

It's temporary.

19 posted on 08/16/2007 8:02:21 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein
So what do we do? This is the nightly news calmly discussing the institution of martial law, the confiscation of firearms, and the use of clergy as propagandists by the government. All this done by Democrats and Republicans together. It’s as if the Republic is already gone.

If you haven't done so yet, go back and watch the first three Star Wars movies (the last three released chronologically). Emperor Palpatine is representatie of the Bush wing of Republicanism. The DNC and their cronies are like Count Dooku. The conservative patriots left in this country are like the Jedi... ...so where, in the timeline of the first three Star Wars movies are we as a nation?
20 posted on 08/16/2007 8:03:48 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Fred Thompson isn't the second coming of Reagan; He's the second coming of Dole.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

“Dr. Tuberville elaborated, “because the government’s established by the Lord, you know. And, that’s what we believe in the Christian faith. That’s what’s stated in the scripture.”

Dr. Tuberville is well named, being the Potato Head of the theological world.

Seemingly, Dr. Tuberville’s theological knowledge was acquired via the US Post Office. One can’t help wondering which mail order degree mill mailed him his diploma.

Dr. Potato Head might contemplate the meaning of “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and unto G*d that which is G*d’s.” It wouldn’t hurt, and it might help.


21 posted on 08/16/2007 8:04:16 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: rineaux

“Lets just hope our troops are never spread way to thin over in the middle east that the US has to ask the UN to provide non US troops to protect our streets.”

America once had the ‘deputy’, and that was anyone the Sheriff deputized in an emergency.

Had Nagin not been the smarmy racist opportunist he is, he could have deputized responsible citizens and the NOLA debacle would have played out rather differently.

Armed citizens are the base of power in America during emergencies. An example is the fact that while the national Guard was not on site, and they were not issued ammo when they first arrived in Homestead, FL, Homestead had no significant looting after Hurricane Andrew.

Homestead citizens were armed. A van or two of wanna be looters went back to Miami full of holes and that stopped the trash/looters.


22 posted on 08/16/2007 8:11:48 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: crazyhorse691
Thanks for the link. I found what I expected; to wit, much ado about "the established warmongering nationalist system in the United States and fundamentalist Christian paranoia."

If the war comes here again and this time in the form of random shootings and bombings traced to the same radical Muslims as 9/11, will I feel sorry for the dailycuss, Huff'n Puff Post, dummyunderground, media smatters, entptymedia crowd being hauled off to camp for covering for the enemy? No.

23 posted on 08/16/2007 8:13:59 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

We’ll never allow that to happen.


24 posted on 08/16/2007 8:14:49 PM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

I don’t think too many in my neck of the woods would willingly allow their weapons to be taken away.

At least, not while they live.


25 posted on 08/16/2007 8:20:05 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

Somebody help me here. I’m having difficulty deciding what category to file this story under. Would that be humor, fantasy, wildest dreams, testing the waters, or just bad fiction?


26 posted on 08/16/2007 8:23:09 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: GladesGuru

What’s sad is the NOPD and company went after regular law abiding citizens in NOLA who wanted to protect what was left of their property.

Great for homestead to protect itself.


27 posted on 08/16/2007 8:26:52 PM PDT by rineaux (the powers that be are laughing at us)
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To: B-Chan

“Running to the country is no solution. That’s where the trailer parks are.”

James! James Carvile - is that you?

Sorry, B-Chan, but you did remind me of Carvile’s vile “drag a $50 bill through a trailer park -”. For all the “trailer park” population’s lacks, an awareness of teh Constitution is more frequent there than in Libroid Big Sh*tty populations.

“In a city you’ve got neighbors to cover the other end of the block if everything goes to hell”.

Respectfully, I must call Bravo Sierra on that whopper. It is well known that your theory was tried in NOLA and failed .

What part of the NOLA debacle do you have difficulty understanding?

“In an isolated country house, on the other hand, you are nothing but a big fat target”.

In an isolated country house, on the other hand, you are nothing but a big fat WELL ARMED & SUPPLIED target.

I fixed your thought for you.

PS If you really are a monarchist, doesn’t the Constitutional orientation of FR become a problem to you? After all, FReepers like being citizens, and your tag line argues that you prefer being a subject.


28 posted on 08/16/2007 8:27:23 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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Can find in this article a conclusive statement by the DHS that they are enlisting the clergy to ‘quell’ anything?
Or that “last year’s elimination of the 1878 Posse Comitatus act” ever occured? The act was admended but was never eliminated. The gut who wrote the article must have gotten all of his ideas from DUmmyland. It is just a big ‘what if’ story to fill some space in a slow news nite.


29 posted on 08/16/2007 8:33:35 PM PDT by casino66 ("We'll succeed," Bush added, "unless we quit.")
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

I’m convinced there’s evil. I’m also convinced there’s a god...but he’s still out on the course working on a long put at the 19th hole.


30 posted on 08/16/2007 8:37:59 PM PDT by stboz (I)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein; NYer

Ohhh NYer, let’s guess who’d be the first to volunteer. Egad!


31 posted on 08/16/2007 8:43:38 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If the families still ran Las Vegas, Harry Reid would be napping at the bottom of Hoover Dam)
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To: GladesGuru
"PS If you really are a monarchist, doesn’t the Constitutional orientation of FR become a problem to you?"

All Sovereigns are really Monarchs. Self-governed, etc. We dumped governors a couple of hundred years ago. What we have is a group of friends, neighbors, and relatives who signed a contract with us to protect our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That's why we pay taxes.

Martial law is law and order by us martials to prevent chaos in the neighborhoods and to reign in a gummint that might go bonkers on us if the going gets rough.

Yes, we will dis-arm them if they can't be trusted.

32 posted on 08/16/2007 8:45:11 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: marshmallow

I don’t completely agree.

New Orleans was Mogadishu long before Katrina ever hit. There were some unique qualities to NO both in the people and the utterly corrupt government that simply won’t be repeated anywhere else.


33 posted on 08/16/2007 8:47:14 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein; Gabz; SheLion; 8mmMauser; floriduh voter; BykrBayb

It’s like they’re already planning this. For real :(


34 posted on 08/16/2007 8:47:29 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If the families still ran Las Vegas, Harry Reid would be napping at the bottom of Hoover Dam)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

5. Swiss Operations Order Number 2

On September 1, 1939, Hitler launched World War II by attacking Poland. Within a day or two, Switzerland had about half a million militiamen mobilized out of a population of just over four million.

General Henri Cuisan, commander in chief of the Swiss militia, responded with Operations Order No. 2: " 'At the border and between the border and army position, the border troops and advance guard persistently delay the advance of the enemy. The garrisons at the border and between the border and the works and positions making up the defensive front continue resistance up to the last cartridge, even if they find themselves completely alone.' "

This astonishing order was the opposite of the policies of the other European countries, which either surrendered to Hitler without a fight or surrendered after a brief resistance. For example, in April 1940, Denmark's king surrendered the country after a meeting with the Nazis and instructed his forces not to resist. Norway resisted, although 'unlike Switzerland' it had no armed populace and was ill- prepared for combat. "

In response to the invasions of small neutral countries, Switzerland issued its 'directions concerning the conduct of the soldiers not under arms in event of attack.'

Intended as a warning to Germany, it was pasted on walls all over the country. It prescribed the reaction against surprise attack and against the fifth column as follows: "

'All soldiers and those with them are to attack with ruthlessness parachutists, airborne infantry and saboteurs. Where no officers and noncommissioned officers are present, each soldier acts under exertion of all powers of his own initiative.' "

This command for the individual to act on his own initiative was an ancient Swiss tradition which reflected the political and military leadership's staunch confidence in the ordinary man. This command was possible, of course, only in a society where every man had his rifle at home. "

'Under no condition,' the order continued, 'would any surrender be forthcoming, and any pretense of a surrender must be ignored: If by radio, leaflets or other media any information is transmitted doubting the will of the Federal Council or of the Army High Command to resist an attacker. this information must be regarded as the lies of enemy propaganda. Our country will resist aggression with all means in its power and to the death.' ... "

France collapsed in June, 1940 after only a few weeks of fighting. Paris was taken without a shot being fired. The Nazis promptly proclaimed the death penalty for possession of firearms in France and other occupied countries.

"In contrast, Cuisan recalled the high duty of the soldier to resist: " 'Everywhere, where the order is to hold, it is the duty of conscience of each fighter, even if he depends on himself alone, to fight at his assigned position. The riflemen, if overtaken or surrounded, fight in their position until no more ammunition exists. Then cold steel is next. ... The machine gunners, the cannoneers of heavy weapons, the artillerymen, if in the bunker or on the field, do not abandon or destroy their weapons, or allow the enemy to seize them. Then the crews fight further like riflemen. As long as a man has another cartridge or hand weapons to use, he does not yield. ..."

Even old men and children were issued armbands, identifying them as Ortswehren (local defense) so they could not be shot as partisans under international law, when the time came for them to shoot any invader they saw.

Hitler never invaded Switzerland.

Would you have?

Source:

Vin Suprynowicz


35 posted on 08/16/2007 8:53:57 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: Copernicus

The German general is talking to his Swiss counterpart prior to WWII. The German general says we have 5 million men under arms that will come marching to Switzerland and what do you say to that.

The Swiss general replies,”My men will each fire 10 shots and go home.”


36 posted on 08/16/2007 9:01:01 PM PDT by Illuminatas (Being conservative means never having to say; "Don't you dare question my patriotism")
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To: Copernicus

Good one! Very timely. That should be the responsibilty and commitment of every freedom-loving American Citizen. If not, may their chains rest lightly.


37 posted on 08/16/2007 9:32:56 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein; Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...





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38 posted on 08/16/2007 9:36:33 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein
interesting article... FYI: Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack “It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world – it may be in the United States of America – that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important.”
39 posted on 08/16/2007 9:40:35 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

They’re in for a big surprise. We’re not that easily controlled. I’m certainly not. Ask anyone who’s tried. On second thought, they aren’t here anymore. Nevermind.


40 posted on 08/16/2007 10:24:34 PM PDT by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit. ~ )
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

It is.


41 posted on 08/17/2007 1:04:50 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: rineaux

“...Plenty of members of the National Guard were not to happy taking guns away from citizens in New Orleans after Katrina...”

I didn’t hear of any refusals or resignations.


42 posted on 08/17/2007 1:06:27 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: marshmallow

“...fried chicken...”

LOL, what?


43 posted on 08/17/2007 1:32:33 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: marshmallow

Al-Qaeda doesn't need to destroy America. We'll do it ourselves. All it needs to do is temporarily disrupt our gasoline supply or damage a few powerplants so we have no air conditioning and our "it's all about me" society will take it from there.

Frighteningly true, but well said.

44 posted on 08/17/2007 2:41:59 AM PDT by Sarajevo
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

Someone just sent me this recently....
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20070810.html


45 posted on 08/17/2007 6:19:26 AM PDT by Esther Ruth
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein
It’s as if the Republic is already gone.

Give them your bullets one at a time.

At high velocity. 

46 posted on 08/17/2007 7:05:33 AM PDT by zeugma (If I eat right, don't smoke and exercise, I might live long enough to see the last Baby Boomer die.)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein; All

BTTT. Interesting. Thanks to all contributors.


47 posted on 08/17/2007 7:10:32 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: rineaux
Plenty of members of the National Guard were not to happy taking guns away from citizens in New Orleans after Katrina.

That's supposed to make us feel better about it? That they "weren't happy"? They did it anyway.  

48 posted on 08/17/2007 7:10:35 AM PDT by zeugma (If I eat right, don't smoke and exercise, I might live long enough to see the last Baby Boomer die.)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

The video title is “Freaky News Report About Clergy Used In US Martial Law”. Uh. A Michael Moore production?


49 posted on 08/17/2007 7:30:13 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Ramius
There were some unique qualities to NO both in the people and the utterly corrupt government that simply won’t be repeated anywhere everywhere else.

I believe I fixed that to more accurately reflect reality. There are plenty of places in this country with exactly the same combination of entitlement-minded citizens and a corrupt government. It's not universal, but there will certainly be places where things just absolutely fall apart mogadishu style. 

 

50 posted on 08/17/2007 7:30:42 AM PDT by zeugma (If I eat right, don't smoke and exercise, I might live long enough to see the last Baby Boomer die.)
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