Posted on 08/17/2007 6:10:13 AM PDT by dennisw
Last year, former Tory minister George Walden wrote a book about the future of life in Britain and why record numbers were emigrating. Taking the form of a letter from a father to his son, it provoked a massive, positive response from readers when it was serialised in the Daily Mail.
In the book, Guy and Catherine despaired at having to bring up their two children in an area that had been dramatically changed by mass immigration, where their children had become a minority in school and teachers struggled to deal with so many pupils who did not speak English.
The country - where 57 per cent of births in the capital are now to mothers who were born abroad - seemed to be failing them on multiple fronts, not just on education but also on security and health care.
Since then, the couple have given up the battle and moved abroad to Canada. And they are not alone in their decision. As Walden pointed out in the first serialisation, a total of 350,000 people left Britain in 2004 - equivalent to a third of the population of Birmingham.
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Walden observes that despite all the changes mass immigration has brought in Britain, there remains a conspiracy of silence that has stifled debate on one of the most important issues of our age.
Now, in this thought-provoking followup, Walden examines Guy and Catherine's new quality of life, using it as a mirror to reflect the dreadful state of Britain today.
Walden, who served as higher education minister in Margaret Thatcher's government, has been married to Sarah for 38 years and they have three grown-up children. The son to whom his letters are addressed is fictional, but the incidents affecting him and his wife are based on fact.
Dear Son,
It's getting on for ten months now since you and Catherine left for a new life in Canada. And we didn't get the impression, when we came to see you, that you've regretted your decision for a moment.
Still, I'd better avoid saying anything excessively encouraging about the state of the nation you've left behind. Not difficult, as it happens.
In fact, it looks as though you got out just in time. Driving close to your old place in West London the other day, I saw a police notice asking for information about a young man who'd brandished a gun at an officer.
The people who bought your house at a ludicrously high price are unlikely to be thrilled. I don't suppose there's another city in the world where people have to pay that kind of money for the privilege of living in an area where hoodlums go round flashing guns.
There is an atmosphere of suppressed - or outright - violence and disorder that makes me worry for the next generation.
Often, it's the little incidents that are telling. Yesterday, your mother was on a bus when three girls aged between 16 and 18 tried to board in Ladbroke Grove. They were Brazilians, she thinks, but so completely anglicised that they'd got themselves roaring - or rather squealing - drunk.
Toting bottles of vodka and plastic cups, they pressed on to the platform, but the Bangladeshi driver stalwartly refused to allow them to board. The bus was held up for 20 minutes while the girls blocked the doors, laughing and screaming obscenities in their newly-acquired Essex accents.
The point is that during all this little drama, not a single one of the weary rush-hour passengers said a word. The great British public held hostage by a trio of sozzled teenage girls!
Toronto sounds safer, though it seems a hell of a way to go for a little peace of mind.
Back from our visit to you, we did a sort of audit of your new life. We loved your old brick house with wooden trimmings in the Riverdale area of Toronto - bigger than your London one and, at £220,000, less than half the cost.
Not to speak of your country place at Muskoka: a simple cottage but with the swimming, boating and fishing on all those lakes, a cut above Ruislip Lido.
And it's good to hear that the children look set to get into the nearest state secondary. A citycentre school with no problem of drugs or knives and one that teaches Latin!
We were relieved that you picked up an academic job so quickly, paying rather more than you got in the UK. With taxes and the cost of living lower, you should feel more relaxed financially.
The very fact that Canada has half our population (30 million) in a land many times bigger is good for the spirit - not to speak of car-parking.
The ethnic population, I see, is higher than here, but then Canada is much more selective. The points system they operate seems pretty rigorous, and it was only your impressive chemistry qualifications, I suspect, that got you in so smartly.
Also, the ethnic pattern is different, with the Chinese the largest element, followed by Indians, and fewer ghettos. As Catherine said, a strong secondary state education system is a key to integration.
Here, the country is not so much disintegrating as disaggregating. The Balkanisation of our lives is happening on a national scale.
Scotland's falling off the top, self-sealing ethnic communities are proliferating in the Midlands, and London's got its own thing going at the bottom.
We boast of our prosperity, but it's fragile and concentrated in the South East - an island within our island. Perhaps we'll have to get used to thinking of London and its environs as a kind of Hong Kong or an Italian city state.
Here, the most obvious disconnection is between the rich and the rest. An old story, but the difference today is that the fate of those at the top is divorced from those lower down.
When the housing ramp collapses, most of the falling masonry will hit the little guys in the middle and at the bottom. The top London prices helped drive up the entire market, but are less likely to fall when it all comes down. There's no feeling that we're all in this together.
The divisions run from earliest youth to grim old age. More boys at Eton get five good GCSEs, I hear, than in the entire borough of Hackney.
And now there's another divide growing up: between those who have a decent pension to look forward to and those for whom longevity has become more a threat than a promise.
Then there's the widening gap between the married and unmarried, or rather those with children and those without.
Large areas of our towns are now such havens of hedonism for the money-flashing singles that they're pretty much out of bounds for the poor bloody infantry who keep procreation going and cannot afford such leisures.
Everything's geared to the needs of the drinker and consumer, and little to the couple with the buggy. On top of all this is the growing disconnection between politics and the people.
And the more fractured we become, the greater our pretence of togetherness to cover it up. That's why the Government bangs on about 'community' and has tried so hard to ignore the problems caused by immigration.
Imagine my astonishment when the Minister responsible, Liam Byrne, actually admitted recently that large-scale immigration has profoundly unsettled the country - and that it's the poorest communities that have suffered the most. The influx was overwhelming public services, schools, the NHS and housing, he said.
If Labour failed to address public concern, he concluded, it could lose the next election.
I couldn't have put what Byrne was plucky enough to say better myself. But what is extraordinary is the lack of reaction to his words. Where are the columns and editorials and BBC programmes saying that the Government has gone racist?
On the principle that a sinner who repenteth deserves the greatest praise, Byrne is something of a saint. He'll certainly have the majority of immigrants on his side.
According to a speech by the former chairman of the race relations commission, Trevor Phillips, 54 per cent of them think there's been enough immigration.
Hardly surprising, since they and their children are among those who stand to suffer most from overcrowding, poor schooling, racial tensions and discrimination.
To complete this outburst of honesty, Byrne should have acknowledged that it's the rich who stand to gain from the profits of low-paid labour. But it would have raised the cry: "So why in God's name have you done it - and why are you letting more in?"
The evidence that the whole country benefits has shrunk to vanishing point.
The Governor of the Bank of England recently told MPs it was getting increasingly hard to manage the economy without knowing how many people were in the country. But everyone seems to have missed the implications of this: if the Bank doesn't know the true population, neither can the Treasury.
And now local councils are up in arms, saying the Office of National Statistics (ONS) does not have a clue about the number of people - for whom local services are required - who are entering the country.
How can anyone assess the profit and cost of migration, and claim that the balance is positive, if nobody knows the figures?
Meanwhile, the Government continues to pour billions into the NHS. That's supposed to be another success story, but nobody can really explain where all the money's going, let alone why it's so hard to keep our hospitals clean.
Let me tell you what happened to me recently. As you know, for years I've suffered from that irritating condition Dupuytren's contracture (named after a Frenchman) - or claw-hand in its less distinguished appellation, because the fingers contract until they look like one.
There's no pain - it's just a bloody nuisance, not least because after you've had an operation for one finger, the next one starts to contract.
I've had two fingers treated, one on the NHS and the other private - because I didn't fancy going into hospital for a minor operation, catching MRSA and coming out dead, as thousands are now doing.
Anyway, another damned finger began curling last year, so I went to my NHS doctor and - after a wait - saw a consultant who told me to come back in six months to see how it was progressing.
Meanwhile, I read that the French had developed a cure. So thanks to them and none at all to the NHS, 30 years of aggravation was fixed while we were in Paris in a single afternoon by injection, for the sum of about £60 - with no pain, no anaesthetic, no hospital operation and no maddening sling.
It's a strange society we're building. You can't avoid the conclusion that the way to avoid all the inequities and social fractiousness is simple: be rich.
Then you can flash those beneath you a benign, ingratiating smile - and have as little as possible to do with them.
There's a new brand of social selfishness about, a kind of "Sod you Jack, I'm all right" attitude.
For those doing well out of New Britain PLC, I don't see how things can change. The problem is that for those lower down - the middleclass majority - I don't see how they can change either.
I can't report much joy on the security front, though: the mood is still one of evasion.
In the case of Islamic terrorism, we're so afraid of antagonising the Muslim community that we turn our anger on our defenders rather than the killers. If the security services slip up - as occasionally they're bound to - they're branded as criminally incompetent on Newsnight.
The most likely reason is that they're overwhelmed. Yet if MI5 were expanded as much as it should be, its operations beefed up and surveillance increased, watch out for Newsnight programmes proclaiming the beginning of the end of our human rights and warning that picking on Muslims will alienate the community further.
It's all part of our loss of any sense of balance. We may not go in for revolutions, but Britain has become a society of extremes.
Look at public policies. It's lunacy to go on promising free medical treatment for all- comers, but we do. It's against every tenet of common sense to have mixed-ability classes, but in the delirium of our classconsciousness, we persist.
Doing away with most of our manufacturing base is reckless economic behaviour, but the moderate British have done that, too. The income gap, house prices and mass immigration - they're all examples of national excess.
Wherever you look, crazy systems have replaced our old prudent-minded approach.
Look at families. Instead of beginning with the self-evident proposition that two parents are better than one, we start at the other end.
The result is that we insist on individual rights to the exclusion of everyone else's interests, including the child's. As a result, we have more single parents, more teenage pregnancies, more adolescent misfits and more destitute families than anyone in Europe.
Not bad for the country of balance and moderation.
Meanwhile, debt is at a dangerous high and millions of us are living beyond our means. Actually, the more I look at the economic outlook, the wiser your decision to take a break from Britain begins to seem.
Everything seems to be unreal - whether it's the bonuses in the City, the purchasing power of the pound on shopping trips to America, or the money you sold your house for before emigrating.
If the economy falters - and the signs are beginning to show - the social consequences of unemployment don't bear thinking about. And, this time, people who are laid off won't be able to retire early because Gordon Brown has blocked that avenue of escape by b*****ing up their pensions.
Even now, with the economy still riding high, a record number of people are leaving the country to start again elsewhere. Think what will happen to emigration figures if the economic bubble is pricked.
Whether it is or not, we can certainly expect the splits and cracks in society to grow. Which leaves people your age with three choices: resign themselves to a life in a perilously fragmented community, get rich or do as you have done and get out.
Politics or parenting, schools or Scotland, wherever you look, very little seems to be holding things together. People live side by side yet separately, in mental isolation, with their eyes fixed warily on one another.
When communities, races, classes and families become segregated to the degree they have, feelings of social solidarity erode.
Society ends up like a shattered windscreen: holding together by the grace of God, even though it's all cracked to hell, so no one can see ahead or have any idea where they are going.
Love to all, Dad
IF something isn’t done about immigration, legal and illegal, we are headed into the same problems...not that we don’t have some of them already.
Where are WE going to emmigrate to, to escape this?
“...we’re so afraid of antagonising the Muslim community that we turn our anger on our defenders rather than the killers. If the security services slip up - as occasionally they’re bound to - they’re branded as criminally incompetent...”
I’m afraid the USA is close behind the UK in this type of cowardice.
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When a nation accepts, no, caters to, people who come illegally and carry no intrinsic respect for that nation, its laws become meaningless and civil unrest rules.
Will the last living Anglo-Saxon English-speaking Episcopalian have enough influence to turn off the light before leaving??
Geraldo said we’ve nothing to fear!
Geraldo said we’ve nothing to fear!
just where are we going to go?
Forecast: Destination of America compliments of Dems, Libs, Socialists (Inclusive of RINO’s), but where to go?
Must dig in our heels, and stop the belligerant Donkey.
Enoch Powell was right. The British have lost their country, or rather, they have given it away to those least worthy of having it.
It is beyond me as to why Fox News or anyone else for that matter would give Geraldo a platform to spew his spittle.
When communities, races, classes and families become segregated to the degree they have, feelings of social solidarity erode.
Society ends up like a shattered windscreen: holding together by the grace of God, even though it's all cracked to hell, so no one can see ahead or have any idea where they are going.
BUMP!
Sadly past the tipping point....
AND...
Lacking the collective fortitude to do anything about it...
“””just where are we going to go?””
Running away is not the solution! If every Englishman leaves England - the invaders win.
We stay right here - and fend off the invaders. History teaches us that every war, revolution and skirmish has always been about territory.
OUTSTANDING post! Thanks. Possibly, the greatest country in the history of civilization. Sad.
“It’s a strange society we’re building. You can’t avoid the conclusion that the way to avoid all the inequities and social fractiousness is simple: be rich.
Then you can flash those beneath you a benign, ingratiating smile - and have as little as possible to do with them.”
I was wondering what FReepers make of this comment? I think this element is at work to some extent in America. It’s been a long time since I met a student who had any other goal but to gain power/money and live the life in DC/NYC. It’s fun to be rich, but didn’t young people used to have ideals?
Good people need to speak up against the evil that is so rampant and accepted in our culture.
we are having the same problems. check out websites like, steinreport.com, numbersusa.com, americanpatrol.com, and numerous others.
Huge demonstration being planned on the streets of Los Angeles for August 18, 2007 by Latino racist demonstrators.
From what I've seen and heard Gordon Brown is *not* the one to do this.In fact I have the distinct sense that he has no *desire* so to do.
And we are not far behind. The constitution never expressly granted citizenship to children of illegals, our gov’t decided many years later that we should. This letter could has just as easily been written about the USA as Great Britain
‘Enoch Powell was right. The British have lost their country, or rather, they have given it away to those least worthy of having it.’
Whilst we do have some serious immigration problems that need fixing, I wouldn’t go quite so far as to say we have given away our country just yet. The British population is still 92.9% white anglo saxon celtic christian and by far our largest group of immigrants currently are Poles.
Our problem, unlike the US, is legal immigration. Our naive govt seem quite surprised that when they opened the door to east european immigrants, millions of them decided to make a better life in Britain. Immigration by non-christians is now very much a minority thing in Britain and in particular muslim immigration is at an all time low for the past 30 years.
The real problem is London where there is a much higher density of immigrants who vote for Ken Livingstone because he panders to them. Take London out of the equation and our immigration woes reduce significantly.
The white/Euros of America will eventually "emigrate" to those states in which they will have an un-threatened majority. This is happening NOW, as we see the productive whites leave states like California for other states which [to them] more resemble the type of culture they wish to live in (that is to say, a culture and society that is reminiscent of their youth).
Not all of the emigrants of this "Great White Migration" are making the right choices, though; I could consider New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, and even Colorado to be poor choices, as the first three will definitely be part of emerging Atzlan, and Colorado will morph from a red to a blue state within 10-15 years.
Eventually - certainly within 40 years - we will see cultural/racial divisions in America even greater than during that period prior to the War Between The States. Instead of "free" and "slave" states, we will have "multicultural" and "unicultural" states: the former filled with racial and ethnic nonwhite majorities, the latter remaining majority white. The economic and social aspects of these two factions will be diametrically opposed, and the tensions between them will escalate.
Whether a completely Balkanized America will _remain_ a unified nation for long after, I can't say. But I would speculate that when a nation becomes so thoroughly divided in cultures, philosophies, politics and (yes) race, that the social cracks will grow to fissures and eventually chasms that will split the nation apart like a crumbling piece of old concrete.
- John
Whilst we do have some serious immigration problems that need fixing, I wouldn’t go quite so far as to say we have given away our country just yet. The British population is still 92.9% white anglo saxon celtic christian and by far our largest group of immigrants currently are Poles
It may be getting closer to 86% in 2006, the above figure is from 2001... but I’m not paying$3 to read the article..
This 2006 govt. report has England ony at 89.1% (Britain 90.2%)
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_labour/LALM_Statistical_indicators_Nov06.pdf
It’s changing quite rapidly...
Good luck finding a country with a growing economy and NOT attracting hordes of immigrants. I guess Canada is the best alternative for these folks.
Here in the US, the only "white flight" you can do is either to a place like North Dakota where there hasn't been economic growth for a century, or to private schools and high-end gated communities.
Exactly right. Our legal immigration policies are far more pernicious and insidious than the problem of illegal immigration, which is far easier to solve.
Our legal immigration problem really begain in 1965 with the adoption of the The Immigration and Nationality Act amendments of 1965 that abolished the national-origin quotas that had been in place in the United States since the Immigration Act of 1924. It was proposed by Emanuel Celler and heavily supported by Senator Ted Kennedy. Prior to the act, the United States was overwhelmingly composed of whites of European descent (89% in 1965), with the only minority group of significant size being blacks (10%) Hispanics were about 1% of the population.
By 2010, non-hispanic whites will be 65.1% of the population and by 2050, 50.1% of the population. Hispanics will be 15.5% of the population in 2010 and 24.4% in 2050. The demographic changes in less than 100 years is staggering. The real question is whether we will continue to retain our national identity or become Balkanized along cultural and linguistic lines.
Halof all children between the ages of 0-5 are minorities. The fact that Hispanics and blacks have the highest high school dropout rates should give us all a cause for concern for the future. Demography is destiny.
We are not far away from this scenario. Since Bush took office, at least 10 million new illegals have entered the country, wrecking hundreds of towns from Boston, Mass. to Georgia, to San Francisco.
The jobs are in the sun belt. Rust belt states are declining, NE has high taxes and liberal mindset.
Thank you for the links. All worth reading.
“””Gordon Brown is *not* the one to do this.””
No he is not ! He is not the POTUS!!!!!
What,pray tell,does the POTUS have to do with Britain's immigration policy?
You would be hard pressed to find a place with high economic growth that is lily-white. My point is that, unless you are ready to retire or take up a new career in farming, be prepared to deal with "them" unless you have enough money to insulate yourself.
BTW: Guess what group of people constitute the fastest-growing percentage of the population in all of those areas (Charlotte and Jacsonville possibly excepted).
If i'm reading this comment correctly, he misses the point here (otherwise a great article).
It was The Middle Classes of England who "gave the country away".
I give it about 12 years. No matter WHO wins the elections between now and then.
You have to follow the thread!
My response was to post #8, a US citizen who asked “where are we going to go?”
My follow up response was to stay in the US & not run away!
Another poster suggested the UK PM was not the right person for the job!
I responded that he was not - because he was not POTUS!
See how it works?
I never referred to it as white flight. Do you have any data to back up your assertion about moving to "the frontier?" That is just too simplistic an explanation to explain what is happening in terms of internal migration. I find it interesting that California is not projected to gain any additional seats in Congresss. Some of the migration can also be attributed to an aging population that is moving to lower cost retirement areas.
This also explains why I NEVER met anyone of English or Dutch ancestry while growing up in the suburbs of NYC, despite the fact that said folks were the original European settlers, and constituted a majority in the state well into the 19th century. .
At 12, my family moved from Jersey City to a small town in Orange County, NY. We had plenty of Dutch names as part of the Dutch Hugenots who settled the area. I am of Irish/English/German descent. What suburbs did you grow up in that you never met anyone of English or Dutch ancestry?
You would be hard pressed to find a place with high economic growth that is lily-white.
Lily-whte? I never mentioned that that was the objective. High economic growth is primarily associated with heavily populated metro areas, which would be more reflective of the current demographics of the country.
My point is that, unless you are ready to retire or take up a new career in farming, be prepared to deal with "them" unless you have enough money to insulate yourself.
LOL. I grew up in an immigrant neighborhood and attended a racially mixed public school. I have lived abroad over 25 years of my adult life in nine different countries. My wife is a naturalized citizen. I don't have any problem living with "them." I am concerned about our ability to assimilate the current numbers and still retain our national identity.
I think this will be changed as the whites - the most productive Americans - pack it up and move on, even towards those states that for now have "low economic growth". They will "carry their productivity with them", so to speak.
You are overlooking something else as well. There is a huge cohort of whites that comprise the baby-boom generation, who will soon retire. Many of them (myself included) grew up in an America that only remotely resembles what that "America" has changed to, in the neighborhoods of their youth.
When their working careers are done, many of these folks will have accumulated the wherewithal to migrate to the places remaining that still _do resemble_ that "America of their youth". Jobs and economic growth don't weigh as heavily towards relocation when you're retired and your income is from non-work sources.
In the days of my youth, people moved to Florida to get away from it all. These days, Florida itself has become [in many areas] a place to get away from, instead. They will be looking elsewhere, and I can say with assurance the places they avoid will be those areas and states that are "going multicultural".
The movement - of the whites, at least - will be towards those remaining states that have an overwhelming white-majority population with the least in-migration of illegals over the last 20 years. These states _do_ exist. Watch them grow in the next 20 years. And watch them become more conservative, as well, as the states they _leave_ tip ever more and more to the blue/socialistic side.
- John
I would assume Hispanic. I have a home in Scottsdale.
Yep. Cheap housing and lots of jobs in the service industry are what’s attracting them.
Yes, but as you can see in places like Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, and the entire state of Florida, where “leisure class” whites move, other races follow to serve them. Somebody has to do the schlepp work, as some jobs can’t be mechanized. I wonder who that will be...
Orange County was once pleasently rural, then became "cop land." I understand alot of ghetto types have moved to Middletown and Goshen in recent years too. Growth has its consequences, not all of them pleasent.
You,displaying a Union Jack on your profile page (I checked it before I posted to you) made reference to Englishmen leaving England and then stating that "we" must stand and resist the invasion rather than flee.IMO,it was completely reasonable for me to assume that you were posting from Britain (or,at least,as an "Englishman") and the "we" you referred to were your fellow Englishmen and the invasion that you were to resist was the one which the author,George Walden,spoke of in his piece.
Maybe Churchill was right...we are nations that are divided by a common language. ;-)
“”””I call this the “Katrina” effect where Americans blindly flee any area faced with a catastrophic weather event or social upheaval because they more and most fear the looting and racial violence attendant with any breakdown in social order.”””
Profound.
Katrina is a perfect example of otherwise resourceful, healthy men and women rendered helpless by their own government.
We are no longer a sovereign nation, but a collection of nitpicking neighborhood tribes. Sorta like Iraq!
Good catch!
I owe you a warm beer;)
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