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Little Big Attack on Cyber-Jihad("Spiegel" on Freerepublic, jveritas work against Cyber-Jihad)
Der Spiegel ^ | 16. August 2007 | Yassin Musharbash

Posted on 08/18/2007 8:44:56 AM PDT by SolidWood

Großangriffchen auf den Cyber-Dschihad

Von Yassin Musharbash

Am 19. Juli rief "jveritas" im Internet dazu auf, von ihm identifizierte Pro-Terror-Websites auszuschalten. Seine Idee war simpel: Die Hostingfirmen mit massenhaften Beschwerde-Mails dazuzubringen, die Seiten zu sperren. Und sie funktionierte auch - ein bisschen.

Seit einem Monat herrscht im dschihadistischen Internet ein kleines Erdbeben. Ein knappes Dutzend prominenter Websites (so weit ich zählen kann) ist ihm bereits zum Opfer gefallen. Das Qaida-nahe Diskussionsforum "Das Paradies": bis auf weiteres geschlossen. Die Bekennerschreibenabwurfseite "Welt-Nachrichten-Netzwerk": eine Cyber-Ruine. Das Terroristen-Blog der englischsprachigen "Globalen Islamischen Medienfront": nicht mehr existent.

Abgeschaltetes Blog von Terrorsympathisanten: Unter neuer Adresse schon wieder auferstanden Großbildansicht

Abgeschaltetes Blog von Terrorsympathisanten: Unter neuer Adresse schon wieder auferstanden Angefangen hat das Massensterben in der zweiten Julihälfte. Ein gewisser "jveritas" löste es mit einem Aufruf auf freerepublic.com aus, einem Treffpunkt von Internetaktivisten, News-Junkies und, wie es scheint, stramm bis rechts-konservativen US-Patrioten. "Wir sollten versuchen, jede bekannte Terroristen-Website auszuschalten, um eine schockierende Nachricht an die islamischen Terroristen zu senden und ihnen einen psychologischen Schlag beizubringen", schlug "jveritas" vor.

Gesagt, getan - schließlich war die Methode, die "jveritas" sich überlegt hatte, denkbar einfach: Weil viele dieser Webseiten von US-amerikanischen Firmen gehostet werden, sollten seine Mitstreiter sich dort beschweren. Zu diesem Zweck veröffentlichte er eine Liste mit URLs von Pro-Dschihad-Websites, dazu gehörigen IP-Adressen und den Adressen der Provider beziehungsweise Hoster. "Jveritas" formulierte sogar Beschwerde-Mails vor. Er fand schnell viele Helfer, die sich beglückt äußerten, selbst endlich einmal etwas gegen Terroristen tun zu können. Das Forum, in dem sie sich austauschen, umfasst mittlerweile 143 Seiten. Nach wenigen Tagen gab es erste Erfolgsmeldungen: "Gute Arbeit! Eine weitere Seite geschlossen!", hieß es etwa am 20. Juli über "Das Paradies".

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Free Republic; Germany; Miscellaneous; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cyberterrorism; globaljihad; internet; jihad; jveritas; media; prewardocs; wot
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German (usually leftist) Magazine "Spiegel" has an good (although with a bit lefty bias) article on Freerepublic and jveritas work against Cyber-Jihad!

Check it out! The article is in German. Maybe I'll translate it. Or use an online translator. Maybe some German Freeper can translate it.

This article is also featured on many German email sites such as GMX or web.de. Rather good PR for us!

1 posted on 08/18/2007 8:44:58 AM PDT by SolidWood
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To: jveritas; Rummenigge; SandRat; jimrob

PING

I hope it’s okay to post the original German article. It has yet to be translated.


2 posted on 08/18/2007 8:46:38 AM PDT by SolidWood
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To: SolidWood

For Google’s attempt:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2F0%2C1518%2C500137%2C00.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools


3 posted on 08/18/2007 8:49:05 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: jveritas

Your prior work on Arabic translation appears to be rather admired by this author.


4 posted on 08/18/2007 8:52:59 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: SolidWood
I tried the Babelfish web page translator and it comes out in gibberish English and still leaves a lot of words in German.

Someone would need a lot of time to translate and retype it where it makes sense.

(my wife could but she's way too busy today)

5 posted on 08/18/2007 8:57:29 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: SolidWood

This is America, speak English or go home.


6 posted on 08/18/2007 8:58:35 AM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: SolidWood; jveritas

Schaedenfraude! Or something like that..


7 posted on 08/18/2007 9:04:14 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: fish hawk
This is America, speak English or go home.

What is this supposed to mean?

I am American and (obviously) I speak English. I also understand German and found this German article, which I didn't write. Had no time to translate it to English yet, but I'll try later.

I thought it would be interesting for fellow Freepers to see what the European press has say about us and our work, and this article was rather positive.

If it's not allowed on FR to post articles untranslated a Mod may pull it, or just leave the link.

8 posted on 08/18/2007 9:09:15 AM PDT by SolidWood
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To: SolidWood

Perhaps jveritas can help out with filling us in. I missed this and would like to help out.


9 posted on 08/18/2007 9:11:12 AM PDT by Eagles6
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To: SolidWood; jveritas

Thanks for posting ....good to see JV getting some nice press.


10 posted on 08/18/2007 9:13:13 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Granddaughters!!!)
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To: SolidWood

Thanks for posting. I’ll wait for a ‘cliff notes’ translation by a Freeper. Probably won’t be long ...


11 posted on 08/18/2007 9:14:00 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: SolidWood

News-Junkies....needs no translation....LOL


12 posted on 08/18/2007 9:15:53 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Granddaughters!!!)
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To: SolidWood

Here is my suggestion to you, please do not take this in a bad way, but only in the constructive way I mean it:

If you don’t have time to translate it, then don’t post it until you do have time. That way the 95% of FReepers who aren’t well versed in German may understand it.

Otherwise, you’re really not helping, and instead confusing most folks.


13 posted on 08/18/2007 9:16:15 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: SolidWood
If you don’t have the time or didn’t have the time to translate it, why are you still here? How many of us do you think speak German? At the least you should have waited until you had time before even posting the article. As a wild guess, I would say the less than one quarter of one percent here speak German. This article is useless. Please don’t post anything in Chinese.
14 posted on 08/18/2007 9:16:54 AM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: ConservativeMind

Thanks that helps!


15 posted on 08/18/2007 9:20:29 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Granddaughters!!!)
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To: SolidWood

LOGBUCH AL-QAIDA
Large attack on the Cyber-jihad Of Yassin Musharbash On the 19 July, “jveritas” in the internet called in addition to turn off identified of it per-terror-websites. Its idea was simple: To block the hosting firms with abundant trouble-mail dazuzubringen, the sides. And it functioned also - a little. Since a month a small earthquake rules in the dschihadistischen internet. A tight dozen of prominent websites (so far I count can) fell it already to the victim. The Qaida-near forum “the paradise” : until further notice closed. The claim of responsibility dropping side „Welt-Nachrichten-Netzwerk” : a Cyber-ruins. The terrorist-blog of the English language “global islamic media front” : no longer existing. Disengaged blog of terror sympathizers: Under new address already again risen large picture view Disengaged blog of terror sympathizers: Under new address already again risen began that mass dead in the second July half. A certain “jveritas” released it with a proclamation on freerepublic. com, a meeting place of internet activists, News-Junkies and how it seems, tightly until to the right of-conservative-US-patriot. “We should try, each well known terrorist-websites to turn off, around a shocking message at the islamic terrorists to send and them a psychological blow to teach”, struck “jveritas” before. Said, done - in the end was the method, that had considered “jveritas”, conceivably simply: Because many of these web pages are hosted by US-American firms, its comrades should burden themselves-in-arms there. To this purpose, it published a list with URLS of per-jihads-websites, in addition proper IP ADDRESSES and the addresses of the providers or Hoster. “Jveritas” formulated even trouble-mails before. It found quickly many helpers who expressed themselves delighted to be able to do even finally once something against terrorist. The forum in which they exchange itself comprises meanwhile 143 sides. After few days, there were first success messages: “Good work! A further side geschlossen!”, was named it about on the 20 July over “the paradise”. Other activists see the initiative as a mistake Over the initiator “jveritas” is not much well known. Does a mail-address it (or it) have? not publishes. But “jveritas” seems the Arabic powerfully to its - in any case were translated under this Web-name already years ago Arabic, terrorbezogene documents out of Iraq into the English. Every American who would understand Arabic, had to help to fight the terrorists, demands “jveritas”. Under its postings stands as a signature: “God would protect our courageous troops and president bush.” There are fight already for years internet-activists, the dschihadistische websites - either, in that it also the providers and Hoster over its customers into the picture set, or in that they turn off the sides through hoes or “Denial of service” -attacks. Of the pioneers on this field, the group “internet Haganah”, harvested the initiative activated by “jveritas” to be sure only a verschnupftes nose hulls: Under the stroke, let the action be a mistake, for it would not be approximately so useful terrorist and terror sympathizers dazubringen to seek other communication ways, that “for us like the (forums) fora”. “Internet Haganah” leads therewith an old debate further: Does one should terror glorifying web pages around every case bekriegen and turn off - use or it as an information source? At least the messages services, on this side of how on the far side of the Atlantic, tend after initial uncertainty meanwhile sooner for the read along. Very so quickly the move in Gefilde to be realized more badly of the internet will not take place to be sure. Until now, shot down terror-web pages rose almost each time again, especially since the important - usually solely under a new address or on a new server. Sites attacked also two by “jveritas” and Konsorten are already again Online. The “large attack” on the Cyber-jihad - only an episode will remain it.


16 posted on 08/18/2007 9:21:13 AM PDT by Dysart
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To: fish hawk; Alas Babylon!
Note well taken. Won't do it again.

Sorry, but I was so positively surprised by this article that I couldn't hesistate to post it.

As I said a Mod may pull it, if it doesn't have a place here until it's translated.

Meanwhile I ask for your forgiveness.

17 posted on 08/18/2007 9:24:22 AM PDT by SolidWood
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To: Condor51

Use google translate


18 posted on 08/18/2007 9:24:46 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: SolidWood; fish hawk; Alas Babylon!; jveritas
I don't think you need foregiveness...your point ...as you stated wasn't the content ...but the fact that FR and JV's efforts were the topic of a German article....

In other words .....the information conveyed is not really the content of the article....

19 posted on 08/18/2007 9:30:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Granddaughters!!!)
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To: ConservativeMind; SolidWood
Thank you very much for the ping. As you know shutting down the terrorist websites and forums has been a group effort and I think we have had some good results since July 19 when we began this campaign of shutting down terrorist websites.

From the PR point of view, it is very good because it make the terrorists on the internet very afraid that they are not safe and that we are not going to allow them to spread terrorists materials and recruit more terrorists.

I am glad that the media begins to talk about it.

20 posted on 08/18/2007 9:30:59 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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Great post! Hooray jveritas! Hooray fakir!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1869194/posts


21 posted on 08/18/2007 9:33:16 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: PGalt; fakir; SolidWood; Ernest_at_the_Beach; All
Thanks PG

What I understand from the preliminary translation of this article is besides that it talks about what we are doing there is someone else who has a site called the "internet Haganah" who is opposed to the campaign to shut down the terrorist websites. I had my private "heated" discussion with him via e-mails last week and I will talk about it when the time is appropriate. The irony is that the internet Haganah fellow has been doing the same thing for a long time i.e. shutting down the terrorist websites but now he is opposing this action.

22 posted on 08/18/2007 9:40:49 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: SolidWood; Dajjal; All

“The Internet, with its thousands of extremest websites and chat-rooms, is a virtual incubator of its own. In fact, many of the extremists began their radical conversion while researching or just surfing in the cyber world.”

from page 20 in the link here...

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=1883060%2C1

...thanks to dajjal for the post/ping.


23 posted on 08/18/2007 9:41:39 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: SolidWood
I apologize for all these idiots demanding a translation.

Good grief.

24 posted on 08/18/2007 9:42:52 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Eagles6; PGalt
Hi Eagle6

Please see post # 21 by PGalt as he linked to the original thread(s) where we began this effort to shut down the terrorist websites.

25 posted on 08/18/2007 9:43:12 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: SolidWood
SW

Thank you very much for posting this and I am very sorry that some people here are giving you grief over posting this in German.

26 posted on 08/18/2007 9:46:08 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: SolidWood
Das Goot!

Got husband to read it to me.

27 posted on 08/18/2007 9:46:38 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Better to have posted it so the German speakers can take a whack at it. Cut this person a break, fer cryin’ out loud.


28 posted on 08/18/2007 9:47:12 AM PDT by MizSterious (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: fish hawk

Oh please. It’s posted so those who CAN translate it can have a look at it. If you don’t like it, I think you can close the window and read another thread. Or maybe you’d just like to stick around and whine?


29 posted on 08/18/2007 9:48:15 AM PDT by MizSterious (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: SolidWood

I vote for—glad you posted it. Thanks, in fact.


30 posted on 08/18/2007 9:49:22 AM PDT by MizSterious (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; txflake; MizSterious
Abgeschaltetes Blog von Terrorsympathisanten:

Who needs a translation, we'll flay the terror sympathisten, with much Blog, a little grog and we'll take the Abgeschaltes to the woodshed and spank their little tes tes.

31 posted on 08/18/2007 9:55:24 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: SolidWood; Dajjal; All

Sorry about post #23.

Correct link here...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1881789/posts


32 posted on 08/18/2007 9:55:31 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: MizSterious

Ok.

Mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut. Could you translate it for us?


33 posted on 08/18/2007 9:58:34 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: jveritas
That "Spiegel" article is very flattering towards you and your efforts. The author also does not cast Free republic in an unflattering light.

What the author is saying is that "Internet Haganah" is sniffing their noises at your efforts because they are of the opinion that shutting down the blogs runs the jihadists underground makes them harder to fight. The author poses the rhetorical question if it is better to battle jihadist blogs as you do, or just use them as a source of information as "Internet Haganah" does..

The author's summary says that even though you have managed to bring sites down, they are slowly but surely starting to come back online, so "Internet Haganah" objections are a moot point. He calls it an episode in the online war against the Jihadists.

My impression is that the author admires your efforts, but feels that that that the enemy is very adaptable. He names it an 'episode' in the online war against the Jihadists.

34 posted on 08/18/2007 10:03:11 AM PDT by longjack
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To: shield
Use google translate

Right. I think the original German made more sense to me than the google translation. And I don't understand German at all.

35 posted on 08/18/2007 10:06:33 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: jveritas
A certain “jveritas” released it with a proclamation on freerepublic. com, a meeting place of internet activists,

From one internet activist to another....GREAT JOB

36 posted on 08/18/2007 10:09:21 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: SolidWood; fish hawk

Fish hawk doesn’t speak for others here.

I thank you for posting it.


37 posted on 08/18/2007 10:10:10 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

PreWarDocs, of interst ping.


38 posted on 08/18/2007 10:10:43 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: longjack

bump

Thank you.


39 posted on 08/18/2007 10:12:06 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Fish Hawk speaks for 99 percent of those here is all.


41 posted on 08/18/2007 10:15:13 AM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: fish hawk

It you think that is true, then you have a case to report this thread to the Admin Moderator.

Why don’t you do that and stop with the tantrum?


42 posted on 08/18/2007 10:17:52 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: fish hawk; Alas Babylon!; SolidWood; jveritas; txflake
Solidwood, please ignore the fools who reprimanded you for adding content to the site.

Thanks for bringing our attention to it before you did (or could) translate it.

The way Freerepublic works is that it brings articles such as this to the fore so that people can comment on it.

Much better to have a pro-FR german post than another anti-FR english post about something BOR said!

I'd much rather see things like this logged immediately, subsequently translated down-thread, than for you to delay putting it up.

Three cheers for Solidwood. Two jeers for fish and bubbalon.

43 posted on 08/18/2007 10:18:22 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: MizSterious

Big bump.


44 posted on 08/18/2007 10:18:57 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: longjack
Looks like you've covered the main issues very well. Good work. It will help others who may later browse through this thread.
45 posted on 08/18/2007 10:20:42 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: sam_paine

I’ve seen Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, Arabic, Polish, Russian and Italian posted here at FR.

Someone always manages to translate them.

I don’t know why this is being trolled.


46 posted on 08/18/2007 10:20:53 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia; fish hawk; MizSterious

Fish. Calm down.

You are at a disadvantage because you cannot understand german....that’s your problem.

I know enough german to at least be able to skim this, but not enough to fully translate it.

Thus, I’m glad solidwood put it up.

If you don’t like it, move...along....


47 posted on 08/18/2007 10:22:01 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: longjack; sam_paine

LongJack gave us a nice cliff note too.


48 posted on 08/18/2007 10:24:17 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
Like I said, I'd rather see a pro-FR German article posted than a full-Enlgish anti-FR article from Bill Oreilly.

Why not ban all of the science/tech threads which are also beyond the comprehension of some?

49 posted on 08/18/2007 10:24:41 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

Then we can start on the legal doc type threads. Who here really speaks lawyer?

:)


50 posted on 08/18/2007 10:26:24 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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