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Dark matter mystery deepens in cosmic 'train wreck'
The Analyst Magazine ^ | 8/07 | Megan Watzke

Posted on 08/18/2007 1:37:28 PM PDT by LibWhacker

Astronomers have discovered a chaotic scene unlike any witnessed before in a cosmic "train wrecK" between giant galaxy clusters. NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory and optical telescopes revealed a dark matter core that was mostly devoid of galaxies, which may pose problems for current theories of dark matter behavior.

Astronomers have discovered a chaotic scene unlike any witnessed before in a cosmic “train wreck” between giant galaxy clusters. NASA’s Chandra X-ray Observatory and optical telescopes revealed a dark matter core that was mostly devoid of galaxies, which may pose problems for current theories of dark matter behavior.

"These results challenge our understanding of the way clusters merge," said Dr. Andisheh Mahdavi of the University of Victoria, British Columbia. "Or, they possibly make us even reexamine the nature of dark matter itself."

There are three main components to galaxy clusters: individual galaxies composed of billions of stars, hot gas in between the galaxies, and dark matter, a mysterious substance that dominates the cluster mass and can be detected only through its gravitational effects.

Optical telescopes can observe the starlight from the individual galaxies, and can infer the location of dark matter by its subtle light-bending effects on distant galaxies. X-ray telescopes like Chandra detect the multimillion-degree gas.

A popular theory of dark matter predicts that dark matter and galaxies should stay together, even during a violent collision, as observed in the case of the so-called Bullet Cluster. However, when the Chandra data of the galaxy cluster system known as Abell 520 was mapped along with the optical data from the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope and Subaru Telescope atop Mauna Kea, HI, a puzzling picture emerged. A dark matter core was found, which also contained hot gas but no bright galaxies.

"It blew us away that it looks like the galaxies are removed from the densest core of dark matter," said Dr. Hendrik Hoekstra, also of University of Victoria. "This would be the first time we've seen such a thing and could be a huge test of our knowledge of how dark matter behaves."

In addition to the dark matter core, a corresponding “light region” containing a group of galaxies with little or no dark matter was also detected. The dark matter appears to have separated from the galaxies.

"The observation of this group of galaxies that is almost devoid of dark matter flies in the face of our current understanding of the cosmos," said Dr. Arif Babul, University of Victoria. "Our standard model is that a bound group of galaxies like this should have a lot of dark matter. What does it mean that this one doesn't""

In the Bullet Cluster, known as 1E 0657-56, the hot gas is slowed down during the collision but the galaxies and dark matter appear to continue on unimpeded. In Abell 520, it appears that the galaxies were unimpeded by the collision, as expected, while a significant amount of dark matter has remained in the middle of the cluster along with the hot gas.

Mahdavi and his colleagues have two possible explanations for their findings, both of which are uncomfortable for prevailing theories. The first option is that the galaxies were separated from the dark matter through a complex set of gravitational "slingshots.” This explanation is problematic because computer simulations have not been able to produce slingshots that are nearly powerful enough to cause such a separation.

The second option is that dark matter is affected not only by gravity, but also by an as-yet-unknown interaction between dark matter particles. This exciting alternative would require new physics and could be difficult to reconcile with observations of other galaxies and galaxy clusters, such as the aforementioned Bullet Cluster.

In order to confirm and fully untangle the evidence for the Abell 520 dark matter core, the researchers have secured time for new data from Chandra plus the Hubble Space Telescope. With the additional observations, the team hopes to resolve the mystery surrounding this system.

These results are scheduled to appear in the October 20th issue of The Astrophysical Journal. Other members of the research team included David Balam (University of Victoria) and Peter Capak (California Institute of Technology).

NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Ala., manages the Chandra program for the agency's Science Mission Directorate. The Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory controls science and flight operations from the Chandra X-ray Center in Cambridge, Mass. CFHT is a joint facility of National Research Council of Canada, Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique of France, and University of Hawaii.


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1 posted on 08/18/2007 1:37:30 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
"Dark matter"....piffle and nonsense.

L

2 posted on 08/18/2007 1:40:28 PM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: LibWhacker

Calling Dr. Who! Calling Dr. Who! This needs “The Doctor”.


3 posted on 08/18/2007 1:43:00 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: LibWhacker

Maybe all dark matter is not created alike...


4 posted on 08/18/2007 1:49:04 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: LibWhacker

What if we and all of our perceived world are nothing but designs of an advanced computer game, played for mild amusements between important matters, such as lunch and dinner and the lastest on the holograph screen? lol


5 posted on 08/18/2007 2:12:45 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: Old Professer
Did you mean, "Maybe all dark matter is was not created alike..."? LOL

It seems like the more we know about the universe the less sure we are that we truly do. There is today's understanding, and tomorrow's new discoveries.

Very interesting to follow...

6 posted on 08/18/2007 2:17:05 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Lurker

Huh?


7 posted on 08/18/2007 2:17:52 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: LibWhacker
Lets just wait about 100-million years and see what happens.
Then get back to me.
8 posted on 08/18/2007 2:20:32 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: DoughtyOne

There is today’s understanding, and tomorrow’s new discoveries.


Very true for the field of astronomy.


9 posted on 08/18/2007 2:23:53 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: Lurker; LibWhacker
"Dark matter"....piffle and nonsense

Maybe so. See the current issue of American Scientist.
10 posted on 08/18/2007 2:26:04 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: Lurker

“Dark matter”....piffle and nonsense.


100 years from now it will bring a chuckle.


11 posted on 08/18/2007 2:26:26 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: chasio649

Thanks...


12 posted on 08/18/2007 2:27:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Old Professer; DoughtyOne
Maybe all dark matter is not created alike...

Supposedly. Ordinaire and cold.
13 posted on 08/18/2007 2:33:32 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: LibWhacker

Ping for later. Thanks for the post.


14 posted on 08/18/2007 2:35:11 PM PDT by colinhester
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To: LibWhacker
The second option is that dark matter is affected not only by gravity, but also by an as-yet-unknown interaction between dark matter particles

So now we have dark matter, dark energy, and double-dark energy?

15 posted on 08/18/2007 2:35:50 PM PDT by mikrofon (I believe in Dark M&M's)
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To: LibWhacker
It's an interesting concept, but I look at "dark matter" as being akin to the medical term "idiopathic." Idiopathic is just a fancy medical term that means "We don't have a clue what this really is or what caused it."

Scientists think that 90% of the universe is "missing." The heavens behave as though being acted on by a lot more material than can be seen. They can't figure out why galaxies hold together when there is not enough mass (i.e. gravitational pull) for that to happen. They're pretty sure that something else is there, but they can't detect what it is.

So then it's funny to see the progression. First, it's just called "dark matter" because it cannot be seen by us. Then the question inevitably arises, "What is dark matter made of?"

Well, they answer, it could possibly be made of wimps. That's WIMPs, as in Weakly Interacting Massive Particles.

Oh. So what are wimps made out of?

Astronomers are searching, but when it comes down to it, they still don't know what the @#%$ is really going on.

I'm still not past the whole Big Bang conundrum in the first place. The universe first consisted of a tiny ball about the size of a dime, floating in nothingness. Then, for whatever reason, the tiny ball exploded, and it formed zillions of impossibly huge balls, making up the heavens. Yeah. So why was the ball there, and how did it get there? What formed it? What was there before the ball was there? And all of that.

I love this old Steven Wright quote: "If the universe is everything, and scientists say the universe is expanding, then what is it expanding into?"
16 posted on 08/18/2007 2:36:37 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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To: RepublitarianRoger

Al sharpton and jesse jackson, please pick up the white courtesy phone!

Someone’s talking about something being “dark” and chaos.
we need to demonstrate against these scientists!


17 posted on 08/18/2007 2:42:07 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (We need a troop surge in Philly and Newark!)
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To: caveat emptor

Thanks for the link. I’ll check it out...


18 posted on 08/18/2007 2:44:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: LibWhacker
Einstein is too beautiful to be true.

Essentially every observational test of it beyond the orbit of pluto has turned out to be false, empirically. At every scale, an entirely new theory is "needed" to patch it back up. The rational inference, instead, is that the Einstein doctrine of the equivalence between gravitation and space curvature is a decent approximation within the sun's moderate gravity well and over relatively short distances, but never was literally correct.

19 posted on 08/18/2007 2:46:18 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: caveat emptor

Thanks!


20 posted on 08/18/2007 2:48:04 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: sig226

ping for possible interest : )


21 posted on 08/18/2007 2:49:52 PM PDT by KylaStarr
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To: chasio649
100 years from now it will bring a chuckle.

It makes me chuckle now.

The theory is that 90% or so of the universe is this 'stuff' that is only affected by gravity and nothing else.

But if 'dark matter' is affected by gravity and 90% of the space around our planet is 'dark matter' how come tons and tons of the stuff isn't falling on my carpet? Why isn't my vacuum cleaner getting heavier by the day?

Hell, why aren't we being crushed by the thousands of tons of 'dark matter' which should be falling to Earth?

Well then they say that dark matter is only 'out there'. What are the odds of that?

This 'dark matter' theory is a bunch of malarky.

L

22 posted on 08/18/2007 2:50:00 PM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: LibWhacker

Dark matter is a mathematical crutch. It doesn’t exist in the physical world.


23 posted on 08/18/2007 2:53:13 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: RepublitarianRoger
then what is it expanding into?

Nothing. It's creating its own space as it goes. That's why [some] scientists are confident that if and when they are able to recreate the conditions of the Big Bang (i.e., actually cause another Big Bang) -- and some say we'll be able to do this real soon -- in the laboratory, it won't hurt us at all.

A few seconds after the new Big Bang, this newly created universe will have as much mass in it as our universe and be as large as the Milky Way, creating its own space as it goes, hyperexpanding but not intruding into our universe in the least.

LOL, I'm not making that up! I read an article recently that said as much. (But don't ask me to explain it further!) :-)

24 posted on 08/18/2007 3:02:39 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Lurker
It's there, you just can't see it. Your house is filthy with it. When you wash your dishes and think they are clean, they aren't. They are covered with all this dark, gloopy, icky stuff. It gets into our mouths, we ingest it, and it might be making us sick. ;-)

Just kidding! That's what I imagine it's like whenever I read about it, lol.

25 posted on 08/18/2007 3:07:27 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
Our civilizations, our very existence, came to ruin when we dared think of ourselves as gods.

We mortals, specks of matter in a vast cosmos, we creations, we humans. When will we come to understand that we can never comprehend the incomprehensible. The Creator will teach us when He deems it appropriate.

26 posted on 08/18/2007 3:07:39 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: Continental Soldier

A professor says that there’s probably a 20% chance that we are just in a simulation game. It explains why bad things happen— because those things make the sim more interesting to the creator.


27 posted on 08/18/2007 3:25:34 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Lurker
But if 'dark matter' is affected by gravity and 90% of the space around our planet is 'dark matter' how come tons and tons of the stuff isn't falling on my carpet

The point isn't really that dark matter is affected by gravity; it's that it has its own gravity (as does all matter) and thus would serve to account for how galaxies are held together.

Dark matter is thought to be just axions, neutrinos and WIMPs. As you read this, there could be a billion WIMPs streaming through your body every second, traveling at a million miles an hour. As they only interact weakly with matter (hence the acronym), they would just pass through you. There is no chance you'd be crushed by them.

"Dark matter" may just be a placeholder term for something we don't know about yet, but I'm not willing to summarily dismiss it as malarkey just yet.
28 posted on 08/18/2007 3:26:31 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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To: Southack
Dark matter is a mathematical crutch.

Yep.

L

29 posted on 08/18/2007 3:29:35 PM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: LibWhacker
Nothing. It's creating its own space as it goes.

LOL, yeah, it's a pretty incomprehensible concept, since common sense dictates that in order for something to expand, it has to have enough space into which to do so.
30 posted on 08/18/2007 3:30:39 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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To: Lurker

There are three main components to galaxy clusters: individual galaxies composed of billions of peanuts, hot caramel gas in between the galaxies, and dark matter, a mysterious chocolate substance that dominates the cluster mass and can be detected only through its gravitational effects.

It’s all a matter of perspective.


31 posted on 08/18/2007 3:35:26 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: RepublitarianRoger
The universe first consisted of a tiny ball about the size of a dime, floating in nothingness.

That begs the question...what is the nature of nothing?
.
32 posted on 08/18/2007 3:42:11 PM PDT by radioman
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To: RepublitarianRoger

“common sense dictates...”

LOL


33 posted on 08/18/2007 3:43:07 PM PDT by gcruse (Let's strike Iran while it's hot.)
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To: LibWhacker
Chandra X-ray Observatory and optical telescopes revealed a dark matter core that was mostly devoid of galaxies

Then they realized their mistake and forgot to remove the protective cap off their telescope/sarcasm
34 posted on 08/18/2007 4:24:33 PM PDT by RedMonqey ( The truth is never PC)
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To: RepublitarianRoger

“So why was the ball there, and how did it get there? What formed it? What was there before the ball was there? And all of that. “

That is the essence of God.


35 posted on 08/18/2007 4:27:17 PM PDT by RedMonqey ( The truth is never PC)
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To: LibWhacker

There was a Bullet Cluster thread a couple weeks ago. Much commentary although the mystery was not solved. Maybe this time.


36 posted on 08/18/2007 4:27:56 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: RepublitarianRoger
floating in nothingness

That's where the train gets off the track. It was not floating, and there was no nothingness.

37 posted on 08/18/2007 4:29:52 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: gcruse
LOL

Sorry, I fail to see what's funny about that, since this is the way everything else in the material world behaves. In order for something to expand, it must have space to expand into.
38 posted on 08/18/2007 4:52:04 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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To: RightWhale

“no nothingness”

Wouldn’t that then be somethingness? :)


39 posted on 08/18/2007 4:55:24 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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To: chasio649
“Dark matter”....piffle and nonsense.
100 years from now it will bring a chuckle.

The ether of our times.... and just about as likely to be true...

40 posted on 08/18/2007 5:13:20 PM PDT by Lloyd227 (and may God bless Oriana Fallaci)
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To: radioman
“...what is the nature of nothing?”
_______________________________________-

The absence of everything. The problem with somethingness is that in order to understand the being of something our minds require nothingness to give the contrast, and sadly, we as human beings cannot conceptualize the absence of everything because our very conceptualization is something.

Drat, what bad luck! We are hot wired to be deterministic and so require a minimum of two events interacting in order to produce a third.

The sound of one hand clapping is God.

41 posted on 08/18/2007 5:47:39 PM PDT by the final gentleman
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To: Lurker

I wouldn’t go that far. I think it’s a matter of poorly understood terminology and ignorance of the true nature of the universe on our part.

The guy who was suprised that he couldn’t see the dark matter was a laff riot, though.

Of course you can’t see it. It’s dark.

Duh.


42 posted on 08/18/2007 9:24:30 PM PDT by sig226 (Every time I hit spell check, the fishies got all messed up. 'Bye fishies . . .)
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To: KylaStarr

Thanks. Too bad this was posted on a weekend. A good discussion of things that can’t be seen and can’t be defined is always good for the soul, if not a few laughs.


43 posted on 08/18/2007 9:27:38 PM PDT by sig226 (Every time I hit spell check, the fishies got all messed up. 'Bye fishies . . .)
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To: RepublitarianRoger
Yeah. So why was the ball there, and how did it get there? What formed it? What was there before the ball was there? And all of that...yep, eventually maybe you get back to the beginning of the whole chain when it all started spontaneously without cause from nothing - inconceivable - or you decide it's just been going on and on and on forever without a beginning - also inconceivable - what a mess.......
44 posted on 08/18/2007 9:31:31 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: LibWhacker

Hey, guys, “we see through a glass darkly.” That includes telescopes.


45 posted on 08/18/2007 10:54:33 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: RepublitarianRoger

Only for aristotelians.


46 posted on 08/19/2007 7:32:59 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: the final gentleman
The sound of one hand clapping is God.

Since we can't conceptualize one hand clapping... the nature of God must be unfathomable to our human minds?
48 posted on 08/20/2007 11:24:59 AM PDT by radioman
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To: radioman
“Since we can’t conceptualize one hand clapping... the nature of God must be unfathomable to our human mings”

Wrongo, radioman, you must adhere to the semantics of your reasoning. One fundamental aspect of God is inherently necessary to our definition of God, i.e. as a first cause. This is to say that if a something, as opposed to a nothing, creates another something then it follows that he finds some-thingness better to create than more nothingness.

And we are something.

49 posted on 08/20/2007 12:13:53 PM PDT by the final gentleman
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To: the final gentleman
Wrongo, radioman, you must adhere to the semantics of your reasoning.

But my reasoning can't visualize nothing. I can't even comprehend a first cause. God, nature or anything else we call creation, must be eternal with no beginning or end.

It appears that our laws of physics, to me, are incapable of describing nothing.
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50 posted on 08/21/2007 7:38:49 AM PDT by radioman
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