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Armed gang attacks family in car-(GB firearms on the loose)
bbc ^ | 18 August 2007 | bbc

Posted on 08/19/2007 4:18:19 AM PDT by Flavius

Armed police were called after a family visiting relatives were robbed by 10 masked men, two with guns.

The driver was parked near his parents' home in Eldon Road, Luton, on Thursday evening when a gang surrounded his car.

He fled on foot towards a nearby bridge but two of the offenders caught him and took his car keys, police said.

His brother and a friend also ran away but were not followed. Two girls aged 13 and six left in the car were made to hand over clothing and mobiles phones.

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1 posted on 08/19/2007 4:18:22 AM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

These guy’s left a 13 year old girl and a 6 year girl in the car to fend for themselves while they ran away???

Not very impressive.


2 posted on 08/19/2007 4:21:52 AM PDT by DB
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To: Flavius

These guy’s left a 13 year old girl and a 6 year girl in the car to fend for themselves while they ran away???

Not very impressive.


3 posted on 08/19/2007 4:21:56 AM PDT by DB
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To: Flavius

Major lock up on FR...

Sorry for the double post.


4 posted on 08/19/2007 4:23:15 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB

well i could say something about the article but just not wise to speak what one thinks


5 posted on 08/19/2007 4:25:38 AM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Yes.


6 posted on 08/19/2007 4:35:06 AM PDT by DB
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To: All

any wonder why GB is rolling over?


7 posted on 08/19/2007 4:35:56 AM PDT by sure_fine ( • not one to over kill the thought process)
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To: Flavius

“WHEN GUNS ARE OUTLAWED... ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS!”

LLS


8 posted on 08/19/2007 4:36:09 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Flavius

I was just on a British site where they were discussing the worst cities in Britain. Luton was named the “worst” by several posters. It sounds like a terrible place. Can we think of any places like that in the US?


9 posted on 08/19/2007 4:38:05 AM PDT by asp1
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To: Flavius
This was a very frightening experience for all involved and the young girls are extremely traumatised

"Well come back for the women...uh...later! Yes, right! That's it!..."

10 posted on 08/19/2007 4:38:49 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: asp1

Washington D.C., Detroit, and my own Los Angeles. All cities where 95%+ of those who are armed are criminals, thanks to gun control BS.


11 posted on 08/19/2007 4:41:39 AM PDT by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: Flavius

This is the inevitable and foreseen result of taking guns away from law-abiding citizens. Since it was foreseen, it was intended, and therefore the politicians are guilty of the assault.


12 posted on 08/19/2007 4:46:34 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: DB

You can say that again
:-)


13 posted on 08/19/2007 4:57:56 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: JillValentine

All good examples. I can think of a t least a half dozen off the top of my head, too, and looking around the world any country which embraces the welfare state, uncontrolled immigration, and strict gun control laws are facing similar situations. It really is a shame.


14 posted on 08/19/2007 4:58:31 AM PDT by asp1
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To: Gabz

I am SHOCKED that grown men fled and left two girls to the mercy of this armed gang. This is just NOT right.


15 posted on 08/19/2007 5:05:54 AM PDT by tioga
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To: DB

In fairness, running away when threatened with a gun is an instinctive reaction. It may not have been a rational thing to do in this case, with leaving the girls behind, but it is difficult to act rationally when you’re suddenly confronted with a gun in your face. I’m sure the guys who ran away, now that they’ve had a chance to calm down, are regretting their actions, and rightly so.

Properly standing up to an armed attacker requires training and good discipline. Becoming Rambo or Lara Croft isn’t easy. Think of the Virginia Tech shooting - it’s not really logical to expect typical college kids to react like Army Rangers or Navy Seals.


16 posted on 08/19/2007 5:06:48 AM PDT by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: JillValentine
The British mom fought her daughter’s kidnappers off..........I guess the father/men would rather run. They didn’t run WITH the kids, they just ran.

If men were allowed to own guns, these thugs wouldn’t have gotten away with this. Did you notice they had to call a “special” police response with guns to look for them?

17 posted on 08/19/2007 5:11:41 AM PDT by tioga
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To: JillValentine

Baloney, it requires backbone and balls.


18 posted on 08/19/2007 5:13:31 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: tioga
I am SHOCKED that grown men fled and left two girls to the mercy of this armed gang. This is just NOT right.

They probably have French ancestry.

19 posted on 08/19/2007 5:13:52 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: asp1

Worcester MA is bad, Springfield MA is worse!


20 posted on 08/19/2007 5:18:48 AM PDT by Holicheese (1-21-09 Hillary starts to destroy America!)
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To: tioga
I am SHOCKED that grown men fled and left two girls to the mercy of this armed gang. This is just NOT right.

And that's putting it diplomatically!


21 posted on 08/19/2007 5:22:04 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: JillValentine
Horse manure

There is no justification for two adult males to run away and leave two young girls at the mercy of armed thugs

Thank God this didn't turn into more then just a robbery

22 posted on 08/19/2007 5:26:59 AM PDT by Popman (I removed my Bushbot brain chip after he didn't veto the McCain Feingold election anti freedom bill)
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To: JillValentine
In fairness, running away when threatened with a gun is an instinctive reaction. ...

Oh, fiddle-faddle! To run away when threatened by a gun is not "instinctive", however to protect one's offspring -- to the point of laying down one's life -- is. These men were cowards. There's no other word for it.

"All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood," -- George S. Patton

23 posted on 08/19/2007 5:34:44 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Popman

Note to Freepers, Luton has one of the highest proportion of muslim population of any town in the UK at 15%. Draw your own conclusions from there.


24 posted on 08/19/2007 5:34:53 AM PDT by britemp
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To: asp1

‘Can we think of any places like that in the US?’

I can think of many cities in the US that have a higher murder rate than the whole of the UK has. . . .


25 posted on 08/19/2007 5:36:19 AM PDT by britemp
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To: britemp

I’m just not seeing your point?? What could it be??

kidding


26 posted on 08/19/2007 5:38:19 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: tioga

‘If men were allowed to own guns, these thugs wouldn’t have gotten away with this.’

Well, as men are allowed to own guns in America, I can only assume that this type of crime never happens in the US. . . . . .


27 posted on 08/19/2007 5:39:39 AM PDT by britemp
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To: asp1
Can we think of any places like that in the US?

Yes, post-Katrina Houston Texas.

28 posted on 08/19/2007 5:42:39 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: Flavius

If the driver was able to get out of the car and run away he should have been able to have run over a bunch of the scum as he drove away.


29 posted on 08/19/2007 5:52:15 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: britemp
I was merely pointing out how this could happen anywhere in the world. Aren’t you glad you’re not here?
30 posted on 08/19/2007 5:55:13 AM PDT by asp1
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To: britemp

These were unarmed British men who ran........and I wish your logic worked.


31 posted on 08/19/2007 5:56:31 AM PDT by tioga
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To: tioga

‘These were unarmed British men who ran........and I wish your logic worked.’

It does. You say this would not happen if the men could own guns. Well in America you can own guns and it still happens, so your logic is false.


32 posted on 08/19/2007 6:03:48 AM PDT by britemp
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To: britemp

The right to own and the right to carry are two different things. Where the U. S. citizen is allowed to carry, this sort of thing is much rarer.


33 posted on 08/19/2007 6:05:19 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei (Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.)
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To: Flavius
Two girls aged 13 and six left in the car were made to hand over clothing and mobiles phones.

Brave Sir Robin ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!

He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering up
And chickening out and pissing off home,
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge...

34 posted on 08/19/2007 6:07:01 AM PDT by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: asp1

‘I was merely pointing out how this could happen anywhere in the world.’ Aren’t you glad you’re not here?’

And I was merely pointing out that this is such an unusual crime in the UK that despite there being no injuroes or deaths, it made the national news.

‘Aren’t you glad you’re not here?’

No, I enjoy my regular visits to the US, be they business or pleasure. Living in England makes me appreciate the good and bad points of the US.


35 posted on 08/19/2007 6:07:29 AM PDT by britemp
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To: britemp

For men who carry, do you think THEY would have left behind their six year old daughter? THAT is my point.

It IS a choice in a lot of America whether to be armed or not. The British have no such choice. And the police do not all carry there.......so what do the thugs have to fear?So far they have escaped.


36 posted on 08/19/2007 6:08:22 AM PDT by tioga
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To: DB

Perhaps the father was Muslim. No, seriously. I might be wrong, but this was a young family, several kids...

I’m willing to bet it was an “Asian” family where the father tried to save the car keys rather than his own kids. Lovely, just lovely.


37 posted on 08/19/2007 6:08:44 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: garbanzo

‘Brave Sir Robin ran away.’

You might want to re-title that Sir Mohammed as the family in the car owe their allegiance to a certain prophet. . . . . . . ;-)


38 posted on 08/19/2007 6:10:15 AM PDT by britemp
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To: asp1

Camden New Jersey and Gary Indiana are two places to avoid.


39 posted on 08/19/2007 6:10:59 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: vladimir998

‘Perhaps the father was Muslim.’

I wouldn’t bet against you on that one. . . . . ;-)


40 posted on 08/19/2007 6:11:11 AM PDT by britemp
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To: Flavius
Luton-related link...?

Gang rob teenager on train

41 posted on 08/19/2007 6:14:24 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: britemp

“I worked hard to buy this car,I can always make some more kids.”Disgusting.


42 posted on 08/19/2007 6:16:15 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: texgal
I was so amazed at watching some of the Katrina coverage from New Orleans. Especially around the Super Dome. There was loads of garbage laying around them, and yet no one thought to pick it up, and clean up their own environment where they were going to be living for a while anyway. It spoke volumes to the people who were offering sanctuary for these “homeless” “displaced” persons. In the rush to help no one was really looking at the situation. Too bad.
43 posted on 08/19/2007 6:18:31 AM PDT by asp1
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To: britemp

Ya know, we really don’t speak the same language.


44 posted on 08/19/2007 6:21:31 AM PDT by asp1
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To: tioga

‘For men who carry, do you think THEY would have left behind their six year old daughter? THAT is my point.’

That’s a different point from the one you made earlier. This one makes sense, the former one didn’t. In this case they may well have as they were muslims who traditionally don’t value their daughters enough to risk their lives for them.

Last year 50 people were murdered with guns in the UK compared to 11000 in the US. The only thing one can safely conclude form those figures is that we are very different countries who have and need differing solutions.


45 posted on 08/19/2007 6:22:48 AM PDT by britemp
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To: asp1; britemp
England and America are two countries separated by a common language.

George Bernard Shaw

46 posted on 08/19/2007 6:23:40 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: asp1

‘Ya know, we really don’t speak the same language.’

You’re right! I speak English, you speak American English. . . . . :)


47 posted on 08/19/2007 6:24:16 AM PDT by britemp
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To: britemp

The family attacked was Muslim? (shaking head)


48 posted on 08/19/2007 6:25:07 AM PDT by tioga
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To: mewzilla

Separated by more than that glad to say.


49 posted on 08/19/2007 6:25:08 AM PDT by asp1
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To: mewzilla

‘George Bernard Shaw’

What did he know, he was Irish!


50 posted on 08/19/2007 6:25:45 AM PDT by britemp
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