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Heroin addiction isn't an illness...and we should stop spending millions 'treating' it
Daily Mail ^ | 08/18/07 | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 08/19/2007 7:34:56 PM PDT by ventanax5

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1 posted on 08/19/2007 7:34:58 PM PDT by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5

As some one who has been clean and sober for over 6 years

It does not start out as an illness but it becomes one in short order


2 posted on 08/19/2007 7:39:36 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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Congratulations on your sobriety.

Was it helped by the government?

3 posted on 08/19/2007 7:42:44 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: al baby

If a government is going to spend money to try to end drug usage, treatment programs are 20x better than the criminalization of drugs. All this does is builds in an abnormal profit for the growers and dealers and makes it worth killing over.


4 posted on 08/19/2007 7:42:54 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ventanax5

Nobody calls nicotine addiction a disease.


5 posted on 08/19/2007 7:47:21 PM PDT by csmusaret (Mnimum wage today; maximum wage tomorrow. It's the Socialist way.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I personally quit using cocaine thanks to programs available at my university (which I suppose is a combination of private and public funds, but in the end it was a state school and I assume was primarily funded by the government). I think without that easily accessible help I would not be a successful business owner paying back what I owe to society today.

And believe me, after I paid my taxes this year I am quite sure I’ve paid back most of what I owe!


6 posted on 08/19/2007 7:49:19 PM PDT by Sols
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To: csmusaret

Addiction is simply the failure to make the right decisions....nothing more, nothing less.”

So...........whose fault is that, I wonder???

So...........who should pay the bill, I wonder???
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7 posted on 08/19/2007 7:49:38 PM PDT by cowdog77 (" Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?")
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace

I agree.


8 posted on 08/19/2007 7:49:54 PM PDT by xuberalles ("Kentucky Fried Hillary" http://www.cafepress.com/titillatingtees.124520122)
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To: ventanax5
no more wishes the problem to disappear altogether than the lion wishes to kill all the gazelle in the bush and leave itself without food.

I doubt lions spend much time pondering this issue.

9 posted on 08/19/2007 7:51:36 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.)
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To: ventanax5

Here’s my deal. If you do drugs, you don’t belong in this country. Don’t go to jail, don’t pay a fine and don’t expect to get the govt to treat you. Just leave.


10 posted on 08/19/2007 7:51:52 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: csmusaret
Nobody calls nicotine addiction a disease.

No, but smokers are often viewed as subhumans lower than child mollestors. And I don't even smoke.

11 posted on 08/19/2007 7:54:13 PM PDT by umgud
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To: cowdog77

Not everyone is born prescient. A man drinking his first beer doesn’t think he will become an alcoholic anymore than a man cutting up his first line of coke thinks he will be spending his entire paycheck on powder in 6 months. It may be his own fault that he tried it in the first place but he did not walk into the situation knowing he would become a burden to society. He can only hope that society will pay him the favor of having faith in him and offer him the opportunity to become a productive person again.


12 posted on 08/19/2007 7:54:59 PM PDT by Sols
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To: Izzy Dunne

thank you and no


13 posted on 08/19/2007 7:55:12 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace

I agree


14 posted on 08/19/2007 7:56:19 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: ari-freedom

How silly. Would you say the same thing about alcoholics? Do you think your average alcoholic says to himself, “Gosh, I wonder how I can become a burden to everyone I know? Ah yes, drinking all day! Hooray, I can finally spite my neighbors!”


15 posted on 08/19/2007 7:57:03 PM PDT by Sols
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To: cowdog77

I think you don’t understand the pharmacology and psychology of addiction. Addiction is a very real physical and psychological process and it becomes uncontrollable without professional intervention in most cases.


16 posted on 08/19/2007 7:58:38 PM PDT by dwhole2th (''God gets you to the plate, but once you're there, you're on your own". Ted Williams)
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To: Sols

he can say whatever he wants. The question is what is our society willing to tolerate and when will people learn to be responsible for themselves instead of expecting everything to come their way?


17 posted on 08/19/2007 8:02:11 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
If a government is going to spend money to try to end drug usage, treatment programs are 20x better than the criminalization of drugs. All this does is builds in an abnormal profit for the growers and dealers and makes it worth killing over.

The fact is that illegal drug users quickly become inured to an anti-social lifestyle, which makes them more likely to engage in criminal behavior and less likely to seek effective solutions to their problems.

I can understand the desire of those in society not to want to legitimize drug use, but those same people should accept that they are driving away many who could be saved from "hitting bottom."

WWJD?

18 posted on 08/19/2007 8:04:57 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: ari-freedom
The question is what is our society willing to tolerate and when will people learn to be responsible for themselves instead of expecting everything to come their way?

LOL, our "society" "tolerates" the killing of the unborn. And you want to exile drug users? Good luck with that.

19 posted on 08/19/2007 8:07:13 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: dwhole2th
"I think you don’t understand the pharmacology and psychology of addiction. Addiction is a very real physical and psychological process and it becomes uncontrollable without professional intervention in most cases."

This is likely the most intelligent thing said on this thread thus far.

20 posted on 08/19/2007 8:11:36 PM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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