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Heroin addiction isn't an illness...and we should stop spending millions 'treating' it
Daily Mail ^ | 08/18/07 | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 08/19/2007 7:34:56 PM PDT by ventanax5

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To: csmusaret
Nobody calls nicotine addiction a disease.

One of the primary motivations for a smoker to light up is to relieve a condition of dis-ease.
Unfortunately it is an ouroboros-like solution. problem->cure->problem

51 posted on 08/20/2007 6:28:44 AM PDT by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: al baby

Your post is a day-brightener.


52 posted on 08/20/2007 6:31:42 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: dighton
I’m not sure what to think, beyond “God save me from more.”

Amen.

53 posted on 08/20/2007 7:13:14 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: Old_Mil; ItisaReligionofPeace
Australian citizen Nguyen Tuong Van, 25, was excuted in Singapore on Friday for drug trafficking after he was visited at the prison in Singapore by family members, according to the Associated Press.

...there's a reason why Singapore doesn't have the sort of drug or crime problem we do.

Singapore's heroin problem was in the same ballpark as the US in the mid 90's (latest comparative figures I could find):

"The GOS [Government of Singapore] nonetheless is concerned about the increase in addiction rates and recidivism among drug offenders who have undergone treatment. There are currently about 9,000 addicts [Singapore's population was about 3 million] undergoing rehabilitation in Singapore treatment centers, the same number as in 1995."

--http://www.state.gov/www/global/narcotics_law/1996_narc_report/index.html

"There were an estimated 980,000 hardcore heroin addicts in the United States in 1999, 50 percent more than the estimated 630,000 hardcore addicts in 1992."

--http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs07/794/heroin.htm

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The Netherlands has extensive demand reduction programs and low­threshold medical services for addicts, who are also offered drug rehabilitation programs. Authorities believe such programs reach about 70­80 percent of the country's 25,000 hard­drug users. [Netherlands population was about 15.1 million then]

--http://www.state.gov/www/global/narcotics_law/1996_narc_report/index.html

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Crunching the State Dept. numbers - Singapore had almost twice the rate of heroin addiction as the Netherlands. And Singapore's figure only takes into account the addicts under treatment, whereas the figure for Holland is the estimate of the total number of addicts.

And then there's Iran:

Iran has executed more than 10,000 narcotics traffickers in the last decade;"

--www.payvand.com/news/04/mar/1012.htm

"Iran has the highest proportion of heroin addicts in the world and a growing Aids problem."

--news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_world/3791889.stm

54 posted on 08/20/2007 8:50:46 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: GLDNGUN
Uhh, going to jail qualifies as "hitting bottom".

Uhh, that's my point.

For someone whose only crime is using, or perhaps selling, illegal drugs, do you really think that incarceration is a benefit in learning to become a good citizen?

55 posted on 08/20/2007 9:29:17 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: webstersII

The Nannys’ have put the answer of government intervention upon us.

I say stay out of it altogether. It IS about choices and accepting responsibility for those choices. Let the cards fall just as they have done to smokers. No one denies addicts medical care but we as a society should not be required to go beyond. If a drug program is in order—someone will have to pay for it and it should not be taxpayer money. It is no disability in my eyes.


56 posted on 08/20/2007 9:39:42 AM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: VOA
And I got to watch my father shake cigarettes after 25 years of smoking. He said, even years after quitting, that when someone else lights up “it smells like candy to me”.

I quit smoking after 25 years 4 years ago. No real desire to smoke again, but if a doctor told me I had 6 months to live the first thing I'd do is go buy a pack.

57 posted on 08/20/2007 9:43:55 AM PDT by cryptical
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To: Trailerpark Badass

many who could be saved from “hitting bottom.”


I would propose that many have to hit bottom inorder to be saved.........................


58 posted on 08/20/2007 10:02:55 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: TheStickman

interesting thread & comments


59 posted on 08/20/2007 10:08:09 AM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: ari-freedom
The question is what is our society willing to tolerate and when will people learn to be responsible for themselves instead of expecting everything to come their way?

That just isn't the direction our society is moving in. Everything is sliding away from personal responsibility toward group responsibility or third-party blame.

OSHA/MSHA make sure that your personal safety is your employers' responsibility. We expect the majority of our health care expenses to be our employers' responsibility. Our safety when driving a car is a combination of the manufacturers' and the government's responsibility, not our driving.

It's pretty much the case everywhere. We have less responsibility, and with it, less power.

60 posted on 08/20/2007 10:11:26 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: PeterPrinciple
I would propose that many have to hit bottom inorder to be saved.........................

How very compassionate of you. Prison is a very disturbing experience for most people, though there does seem to be a certain class of folk who thrive there. Perhaps they, like you, think it's a character-building experience.

61 posted on 08/20/2007 2:35:53 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: ventanax5

This author is full of unadulterated bovine scatology.

I’m an addict, and a LLLLLOOOONG time ago, it stopped being a moral decision for me. It actually became a true disease.

(PS: I’m clean multiple years now)


62 posted on 08/20/2007 2:37:38 PM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: al baby

Holy moly! My beeber is stuned! I didn’t gno you were an adickt too!


63 posted on 08/20/2007 2:39:21 PM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: Lazamataz

just vokca and zanaxe im better now I wrote the beeber thread sober by the way


64 posted on 08/20/2007 2:46:22 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: al baby

I was into cocaine. Life is much better without it!


65 posted on 08/20/2007 2:51:29 PM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: visualops

It was my experience as a former mental health profession who worked in a chemical dependancy unit that no one gives up anything unless they want to give it up. I also (and I had to keep it to myself cuz of the higher ups) disagreed then and now with the *disease* concept utilized in many treatment programs.

Until someone is forcing these drug users at gun point to shoot up or snort some, IMO, its a choice these people make.


66 posted on 08/20/2007 2:51:47 PM PDT by TheStickman
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To: Trailerpark Badass

How very compassionate of you

Thank you for the complement.

It is only when people reach a broken state that they can be repaired, whether in a spiritual sense or worldly sense. I have worked with men out of prison and those dealing with addictions. If you enable them so that they don’t have to bear the full consequences of their actions, they will continue the behaviour.

NEVER REACH OUT FOR A FALLING KNIFE, WAIT UNTIL IT HAS HIT THE FLOOR. THEN IT IS OK TO PICK IT UP.


67 posted on 08/20/2007 3:21:56 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: Ken H

They may have the same number of heroin addicts per capita, but their overall drug problem is a fraction of ours.


68 posted on 08/20/2007 5:47:23 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Rudy = Hillary, Fred = Dole, Romney = Kerry, McCain = Crazy. No Thanks.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Has drug usage decreased as a result of the WOD?

Decreased as compared to what? What it would have been if there was no "WOD"?

I'm sure of it. Nobody would seriously argue that ANY activity DECREASES when legalized. Unless they were high or something. ;-)

69 posted on 08/20/2007 7:25:44 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
btw, drugs are everywhere in every town and are very available right now.

And legalizing drug usage would make the drugs even more available and remove the social stigma of illegal drug use, thus increasing supply and demand. Great idea? Not so much.

70 posted on 08/20/2007 7:28:17 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: Trailerpark Badass
For someone whose only crime is using, or perhaps selling, illegal drugs, do you really think that incarceration is a benefit in learning to become a good citizen?

First of all, it does serve as a deterrent. Most people don't want to go to jail. Secondly, if you are suggesting that incarceration can't be a benefit in learning to become a good citizen (i.e, stay out of trouble - stay out of jail), then I guess your argument is that only people with life sentences should be serving time.

I disagree. Going to jail, even if for only a short period, is the best thing that could ever happen to someone headed in the wrong direction.

71 posted on 08/20/2007 7:32:55 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: TheStickman

It was my experience as a former mental health profession who worked in a chemical dependancy unit that no one gives up anything unless they want to give it up. I also (and I had to keep it to myself cuz of the higher ups) disagreed then and now with the *disease* concept utilized in many treatment programs.

Until someone is forcing these drug users at gun point to shoot up or snort some, IMO, its a choice these people make.
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I totally agree, and I also worked in a mental health hospital. . . . for 11 years.


72 posted on 08/20/2007 10:11:02 PM PDT by cowdog77 (" Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?")
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To: ventanax5

I’m all for treating substance abuse as exactly what it is- moral weakness.

I’ve been around these people my whole life and even had my own problems “back in the day”. Two basic things they ALL have in common: these are some of the most self-indulgent people you will EVER meet and it’s ALWAYS “someone else’s fault”.

I have not one ounce of sympathy for drunks or drug abusers.


73 posted on 08/20/2007 10:17:17 PM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: GLDNGUN

What about when something is legalized, but the billions of dollars spent on running through the jungles of Columbia, chasing crack dealers through the streets, and housing imates is instead spent on tons of education for children and great treatment for any user who wants it?


74 posted on 08/21/2007 3:56:22 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: GLDNGUN

Believe whatever you’d like.


75 posted on 08/21/2007 3:57:37 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: GLDNGUN

Believe whatever you’d like.


76 posted on 08/21/2007 3:57:43 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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