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Clinton faces gender gap as she stumps in Iowa
McClatchy News via SacBee ^ | 8/21/7 | Matt Stearns - Mcclatchy Washington Bureau

Posted on 08/21/2007 7:57:48 AM PDT by SmithL

DES MOINES, Iowa -- A pair of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's worst nightmares trudged past a giant blue "Hillary for President" sign outside the Iowa State Fair here with palpable disgust.

"Hillary can go to hell," said Alice Aszman, 66, a Democrat from Ottumwa. "I'll never vote for her. I don't think a woman should be president. I think a man should. They've got more authority."

Her husband, Daniel, 50, also a Democrat, agreed: "I think women should stay home instead of being boss."

That's not what Clinton wants to hear from voters like the Aszmans, who described themselves as "working-class." But there's also no question that, even as Clinton, the New York Democrat, widens her lead in national polls of Democratic voters, becoming the first female president won't be easy.

Appealing to female voters as a sister-in-arms won't be enough to win the White House, and a potentially worrisome gender gap has emerged in polls between levels of male and female support for Clinton.

A July poll of likely Democratic caucus-goers by the University of Iowa found that Clinton had 30 percent support among women and 18 percent among men. By comparison, there was no difference in gender support for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, who got 21 percent from both men and women.

The same poll found that 32 percent of women strongly agreed that Clinton was electable, while only 14 percent of men did.

Clinton brings special baggage to the campaign, demonized as she was through the 1990s by conservative talk-show hosts haranguing the white male voters whom Clinton must woo now. That's one reason Clinton has the highest "disapproval ratings" among Democrats, ranging into the mid-40s in national polls.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; clinton; democrats; elections; hillary; ia2008; piaps; womanpresident
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1 posted on 08/21/2007 7:57:51 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

FAKE FAKE FAKE

This is another attempt by Hillary’s team to “guilt” people into voting for her.

“If you don’t support Hillary, you obviously want women to have to stay at home and subjugated to a man.”


2 posted on 08/21/2007 7:59:26 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: SmithL

What about the little Aszmans ?


3 posted on 08/21/2007 7:59:27 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: SmithL

Eschew the Shrew


4 posted on 08/21/2007 8:00:10 AM PDT by Lexington Green (There ain't no news in the news no more.)
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To: SmithL
Clinton brings special baggage to the campaign, demonized as she was through the 1990s by conservative talk-show host

Hillarycare, White House Travel Office, Vince Foster's death, having nothing to do with it, of course.

5 posted on 08/21/2007 8:01:12 AM PDT by ikka
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To: Lexington Green

That would make a GREAT bumper sticker.


6 posted on 08/21/2007 8:01:49 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: SmithL
Kramer has his license plate.


7 posted on 08/21/2007 8:02:33 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG (Apparently my former party considers me an "ugly nativist".)
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To: SmithL

8 posted on 08/21/2007 8:03:19 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: SmithL

Alice Aszman, of Ottumwa, leads from the audience in a dance that started in Spain but spent month after month as the No. 1 song in America, The Macarena, during International Day at the Quincy Place Mall Saturday. Courier photo/Mark Newman

9 posted on 08/21/2007 8:03:40 AM PDT by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: MrB

Bless the little shriveled black hearts of the MSM-it’s not Shillary’s own fault that she has high negatives, it’s all the fault of those wicked conservative talk show hosts “demonising” her. It’s now “demonisation” to hold a person accountable for their own words and actions.


10 posted on 08/21/2007 8:03:42 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: SmithL

Gender is a minor issue compared to this wench’s penchant for her communist role models.


11 posted on 08/21/2007 8:03:49 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: SmithL
"Hillary can go to hell," said Alice Aszman, 66, a Democrat from Ottumwa. "I'll never vote for her. I don't think a woman should be president."

It is possible to agree with the general conclusion--i.e. that Hillary would make a miserable president--without agreeing with the reasoning that brought some people to that conclusion. And I strongly disagree with the reasoning stated above.

However, as someone else has pointed out, this may all be just a plant, to try to persuade Iowans (and others) to support Hillary out of a misplaced sense of guilt.

12 posted on 08/21/2007 8:06:14 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: SmithL
A Barbara Olsen Classic.
13 posted on 08/21/2007 8:06:49 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: SmithL

voters fault - as always.


14 posted on 08/21/2007 8:08:58 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: SmithL

I will not vote for any Socialist, male or female.


15 posted on 08/21/2007 8:10:06 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: SmithL

“becoming the first female president won’t be easy. “

No, becoming the first openly Stalinist president won’t be easy. At least former commies who made it to the WH were able to somewhat hide their leanings.


16 posted on 08/21/2007 8:10:43 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: SmithL
Clinton brings special baggage to the campaign, demonized as she was through the 1990s by conservative talk-show hosts haranguing the white male voters whom Clinton must woo now.
The thought of another 14+ months of a Hillary-as-victim campaign is enough to make me puke.
17 posted on 08/21/2007 8:11:08 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: SmithL

“clinton faces gender gap....”

don’t these people ever go away?


18 posted on 08/21/2007 8:11:43 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Vigilanteman

How about:

“Bush, Clinton, Bush...CLINTON?? Stop the insanity!”


19 posted on 08/21/2007 8:12:21 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: SmithL

It’s the socialism, stupid!


20 posted on 08/21/2007 8:15:27 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: SmithL
Playing the "VICTIM CARD", accusing white males of gender bias, blaming Talk Radio, VRWC, etc., etc.

Most of the Clinton fatigue is due to the use of the same ol'/same ol' tactics they ALWAYS use.....

21 posted on 08/21/2007 8:15:44 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: SmithL

“A pair of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s worst nightmares trudged past a giant blue “Hillary for President” sign outside the Iowa State Fair here with palpable disgust.

“Hillary can go to hell,” said Alice Aszman, 66, a Democrat from Ottumwa. “I’ll never vote for her. I don’t think a woman should be president. I think a man should. They’ve got more authority.”

Her husband, Daniel, 50, also a Democrat, agreed: “I think women should stay home instead of being boss.”

What a cheap shot, and anyone that would believe this should have their head examined. In fact, the person that wrote this should have their head examined.


22 posted on 08/21/2007 8:17:08 AM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: MrB

Stories like this may shut some people up, but it won’t change the way that they think - or vote.


23 posted on 08/21/2007 8:17:48 AM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: SmithL
Clinton brings special baggage to the campaign,

Very aptly expressed.

24 posted on 08/21/2007 8:27:36 AM PDT by thulldud ("Para inglÚs, oprima el dos.")
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
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If she's not careful, she'll end up looking like Emperor Palpatine from the "Star Wars" series.


25 posted on 08/21/2007 8:28:28 AM PDT by NRA1995 (To Congress and Mr. President: This is OUR country, and don't you forget it!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

26 posted on 08/21/2007 8:31:58 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: SmithL; AmericanExceptionalist
If you read through the entire article, you'll see that the headline and first few sentences, purportedly playing up her weakness as a candidate, are very misleading. This MSM writer couldn't resist turning 180 degrees from that theme and puffing up Her Royal Thighness extravagantly.

Perhaps in the middle of the story, he realized that he'd better not risk losing his job.

27 posted on 08/21/2007 8:33:20 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: traditional1

LOL! Perfect.


28 posted on 08/21/2007 8:49:29 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Quite a photo there. She could play a high school principal or head nurse in a sanitarium.


29 posted on 08/21/2007 8:50:28 AM PDT by Graymatter ( Fort Knox needs an audit.)
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To: SmithL
Clinton brings special baggage to the campaign, demonized as she was through the 1990s by conservative talk show hosts...

This McClatchy writer apparently blames "conservative talk show hosts" for her "special baggage." Surely he's got it backwards. Her Royal Thighness "packed" her mountains of "special baggage" as a result of her own moral bankruptcy. The "vast right wing conspiracy" was a paranoid delusion of hers concocted out of thin air when the "baggage" was exposed for the everyone to see.

30 posted on 08/21/2007 8:51:59 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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For every Aszman, there’s a Girlyman who will vote for Hillary just because of her chromosomes.


31 posted on 08/21/2007 8:58:56 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: ml/nj; firebrand; juliej; rmlew; Miss Didi; ExTexasRedhead; TXRed; MeanWestTexan; LucyT; ...

Ping!


32 posted on 08/21/2007 9:03:46 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks for the ping!


33 posted on 08/21/2007 9:05:59 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: SmithL
demonized as she was through the 1990s by conservative talk-show hosts

How can one who is already a demon be "demonized"?

Cordially,

34 posted on 08/21/2007 9:11:41 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

35 posted on 08/21/2007 9:20:33 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: justiceseeker93

I just heard a rumor that one the people Hillary wanted to be a “Hillstar” in Southern California just talked to the political editor in Washington and told them a blockbuster story about a trial coming to Los Angeles. They were pretty much astounded at the info.


36 posted on 08/21/2007 9:36:19 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: traditional1

37 posted on 08/21/2007 9:49:45 AM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: eastsider

Indeed. But she can’t guilt people into electing her.


38 posted on 08/21/2007 9:53:31 AM PDT by tdewey10 (Can we please take out iran's nuclear capability before they start using it?)
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To: doug from upland
This always comes to mind when I see this "thing"....


39 posted on 08/21/2007 9:54:08 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: Califreak
Is that a screen capture from the MSM 6 o'clock news last night?

LOL

40 posted on 08/21/2007 9:54:53 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: ikka

The main thing was exercising authority that belonged to her husband, not her. She acted as thorugh she were her husband’s prime minister, not his wife.


41 posted on 08/21/2007 9:58:26 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: traditional1

42 posted on 08/21/2007 10:02:16 AM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: Califreak
Good one!

That's a "keeper".

43 posted on 08/21/2007 10:03:29 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: traditional1

It’s getting harder and harder to watch local nooz now.

The bias is overwhelming.


44 posted on 08/21/2007 10:05:40 AM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: tdewey10

I agree. The victim card is going to get real old, real fast.


45 posted on 08/21/2007 10:21:53 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
"I don't think a woman should be president."

And I strongly disagree with the reasoning stated above.

I don't disagree one bit. I will never vote for a woman president. Never. Ever.

FMCDH(BITS)

46 posted on 08/21/2007 10:40:28 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Lexington Green

“Eschew the Shrew”

Excellent. I want a bumpersticker.


47 posted on 08/21/2007 10:50:50 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus ("Eat yer groatcakes, Porgy!" "Heavy on the thirty weight, Mom!")
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To: freekitty
"Hillary can go to hell,” said Alice Aszman, 66, a Democrat from Ottumwa. “I’ll never vote for her. I don’t think a woman should be president. I think a man should. They’ve got more authority.” Her husband, Daniel, 50, also a Democrat, agreed: “I think women should stay home instead of being boss.”

This is the flipside of the "lifelong republican" now being for Obama. These people are shills for a "poor picked-on Hillary" campaign. I don't believe this for a second. Who even talks like this?

49 posted on 08/21/2007 12:07:21 PM PDT by boop (Trunk Monkey. Is there anything he can't do?)
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To: nothingnew
I don't disagree one bit. I will never vote for a woman president. Never. Ever.

That is certainly your right. As it is your right to refuse to vote for someone on the basis or race, ethnicity, or any of the characteristics of one's birth.

But you might want to bear in mind that gender did not seem to be an impediment to Margaret Thatcher's performance in the UK in the 1980s.

Of course, Hillary is no Margaret Thatcher. I oppose Hillary because (1) she is a closet leftist, who vacillates between making centrist noises (for general-election purposes) and trying to mollify the leftist base of her chosen party; and (2) she is plainly Machiavellian--which is to say, principle-free--but for more on this, see the previous point.

But if you sincerely believe that all women are, by definition, unfit to serve as president, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

50 posted on 08/21/2007 12:20:09 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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