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[Fred]Thompson Brings Gun Control to the Fore (Knocks Rudy on 2nd Amendment)
The New York Times ^ | August 22, 2007 | Michael Cooper

Posted on 08/21/2007 9:04:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Former Senator Fred D. Thompson of Tennessee, who has not officially declared his presidential ambitions, took a not-very-veiled swipe yesterday at the leading Republican candidate, former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York, for supporting gun control.

Mr. Thompson, who starred in “Law & Order,” wrote on his Web site: “When I was working in television, I spent quite a bit of time in New York City. There are lots of things about the place I like, but New York gun laws don’t fall in that category.”

Then he decried a recent court ruling on a gun case, writing that “the same activist federal judge from Brooklyn who provided Mayor Giuliani’s administration with the legal ruling it sought to sue gun makers, has done it again.”

The critique amounted to an unusual dive into presidential politicking for a man who is barred under federal rules from acting like a candidate. Mr. Thompson is officially only “testing the waters” of a presidential bid, a status that limits his ability to raise money and engage in active campaigning. But his comments suggest that he is ready to come out against the other contenders in the Republican field.

In his comments, Mr. Thompson went on to suggest that high gun ownership rates may be related to the nation’s low violent crime rates.

The Giuliani campaign responded. “Those who live in New York in the real world — not on TV — know that Rudy Giuliani’s record of making the city safe for families speaks for itself,” said Katie Levinson, the Giuliani campaign’s communications director. “No amount of political theater will change that.”

Mr. Giuliani has been leading consistently in national polls of the Republican field. But his status has also opened him up to increasing scrutiny.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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I'm more and more impressed by Fred Thompson, how about you?
1 posted on 08/21/2007 9:04:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m not sure who Salzberger fears more, Rudy or Fred.

Sounds like a hit piece on both.


2 posted on 08/21/2007 9:06:56 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

JulieAnnie’s ‘gun grabbing’ and pro-litigation bent makes this issue a sure loser for him with the base. Let’s hope liberal Rudy keeps responding anytimg anyone brings up the Second Amendment.


3 posted on 08/21/2007 9:10:17 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal one to DIVIDE it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
FredT respects the Constitution. Once he gets in ---- he'll garner the bulk of the support from Americans who support the 2nd amendment, gun owners in general and of course, the NRA vote. Which means a big voter block and huge contributions for Thompson.

Rooty is a liberal gun grabber and nothing he says can change that fact. He's always supported more gun control and a ban on assault weapons.

4 posted on 08/21/2007 9:13:12 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's the end of the Rudy campaign.

While I generally like Rudy...due to his position on the jihad.

However, Fred just won the south, mountain west and much of of the mid-west with that comment. Still, Rudy has a lock on the Northeast and the west coast in the primary and these guys could be slugging it out on the floor of the convention.

It's be WONDERFUL and HEALTHY theatre. Good for the party and good for the country.

I'm certain they'll both stick to the issues and avoid ALL personal attacks.

5 posted on 08/21/2007 9:34:34 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: stockstrader
A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
6 posted on 08/21/2007 9:35:03 PM PDT by mazza
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.gunblast.com/Greg_FredThompson.htm


7 posted on 08/21/2007 9:37:52 PM PDT by umgud
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm not impressed at all. Even a shut-in with a 6th grade education knows the guy from NY is an insider, business as usual leftist, masquerading as a Republican conservative.
8 posted on 08/21/2007 9:40:00 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

You never graduated the 7th grade? What causes you to be a shut-in?


9 posted on 08/21/2007 9:44:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: umgud

That is a good article. John Wayne plus Ronald Reagan. Doesn’t get any better than that. I see similarities, but with those two men there will never be anyone like them. [My hero worship disclaimer.] But I’m glad that author said what he did.


10 posted on 08/21/2007 9:44:49 PM PDT by hoosierpearl (To God be the glory.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If your impressed by this information that the guy from NY is anti 2nd amendment, anti RTKABA, that's just fine.

I'm just not impressed, and figured most everyone knew that.

Apparently not.

11 posted on 08/21/2007 9:53:15 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm more and more impressed by Fred Thompson, how about you?

The article does a good job of portraying him as the constitutionalist and conservative hero that many conservatives want him to be. I'm just not sure whether he's really that man. Sometimes, "conservative hero" just seems to be another of his acting roles.

Regardless of what he'll really do in office, the article is encouraging. If nothing else, I'm glad to see him taking shots at Giuliani. If the race becomes Thompson versus Romney, I'll feel better about the outcome regardless of the nominee. Of course, I'd still rather see Duncan Hunter win the nomination.

Bill

13 posted on 08/21/2007 9:57:03 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: dragnet2
I’m impressed by Fred’s stands on RTKBA, immigration, sovereignty, taxes, foreign affairs, WoT, abortion, etc., not just that he called out Rudy on his being a gun grabber!
14 posted on 08/21/2007 9:58:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: Reagan Man

Fred Thompson has had some rather spotty gun votes in his tenure. To name a few...

Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation gun ban

On September 12, 1996, the Senate passed the Lautenberg gun ban as an amendment to the Treasury-Postal appropriations bill (H.R. 3756). The Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation Gun Ban disarms gun owners for small (misdemeanor) offenses in the home — “offenses” as slight as spanking a child or grabbing a spouse. This lifetime ban, in certain cases, can even be imposed without a trial by jury. It is also retroactive, so it does not matter if the offense occurred 20 years ago. Thompson voted in favor of the amendment.

. Smith “Anti-Brady” Amendment

On July 21, 1998, pro-gun Senator Bob Smith (R-NH) introduced an “Anti-Brady” amendment that passed by a vote of 69-31. The Smith amendment would prohibit the FBI from using Brady background checks to tax or register gun owners. Further, the amendment requires the “immediate destruction of all [gun buyer] information, in any form whatsoever.” Finally, if the FBI disregards this latter provision, the Smith language will allow private citizens to sue the agency and collect monetary damages, including attorney’s fees. Thompson voted against this limitation of FBI registration of gun owners.

Not a major issue for me, but for others...


15 posted on 08/21/2007 10:44:45 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mr. Giuliani was a strong proponent of gun control in his days as a federal prosecutor and later as mayor of New York. As mayor he called for a national system of gun licensing, and broke with many Republicans to back a ban on assault rifles.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... I will never vote for Rudy Giuliani. Not ever.

16 posted on 08/21/2007 10:54:23 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lots of folks in Kalifornicate, thought they were getting the Terminator — instead they got a wimpy Kennedy sperminator.

He outlawed the purchase of .50 cal BMG single shot rifles!

Who would have known he was a girly boy?


17 posted on 08/21/2007 11:12:00 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

Nah. Nobody took Schwartzenneger for a Conservative. California wanted to elect a celebrity with a tough-guy image and that is what they got. They would have elected Clint Eastwood just as fast and all they would have gotten the liberal Mayor of Carmel.

Never underestimate the California electorate. They are really, really stupid. Who else would vote AGAINST a proposition requiring the State to only pass balance budgets. Only stupid people.


18 posted on 08/21/2007 11:33:04 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Mariner

The “end of the Rudy campaign” has been predicted on this forum for months. Yet he remains the frontrunner. Thompson has not yet announced. I hope he does. I look forward to the contest.


19 posted on 08/22/2007 12:03:39 AM PDT by karnage
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mr. Giuliani has been leading consistently in national polls of the Republican field.

Sure he has. No matter how many times they repeat this garbage, it won't come true: it ain't gonna be Julie vs. Hilly (the match-up that works best for them).

The second ammendment was written to help us identify America's traitors. Some think it has to do with individuals or state militias keeping and bearing arms. Not so.

Our founders were smart and tricky. They wrote it so that their descendants could, without any doubt, indentify the enemies of this great nation. I'm not a Mason, but I could have been a brick mason. My garden is plentiful, but I usually eat it all and have little use for Mason Jars. Masonry is pretty boring unless you're traveling on a cobblestone street, then it's bone-jarringly boring. But, let's face it, good streets are a foundation and our nation's foundation is no less so.

Each and every Judge, Politician, Bureaucrat, or Legislator that has ever gone against "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" is unAmerican and we owe it to ourselves and our posterity to rid the landscape of such vermin.

"Suprise, b*tch!" /Dave Chapell

20 posted on 08/22/2007 12:10:21 AM PDT by budwiesest (I survived crossing the Folsom Rainbow bridge (built in1917) today.)
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To: WFTR

I concur but Hunter can’t seem to get up enough support.
The next best thing would be Thompson - Hunter ticket.


21 posted on 08/22/2007 12:14:36 AM PDT by squibs
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BTTT!


22 posted on 08/22/2007 12:29:44 AM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: stockstrader
Let’s hope liberal Rudy keeps responding anytime anyone brings up the Second Amendment.

Fred has been bringing up the 2nd Amendment - even though nobody has asked him about it - with clockwork regularity.

Meanwhile, getting ANY kind of response to a firearm-related question out of the other front-runners is like getting blood out of a rock!

What does that tell you?

23 posted on 08/22/2007 12:53:31 AM PDT by Skibane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; ventanax5; All
“The Constitution of the United States says that you have a personal right to carry arms, to have arms.” - Rudy Giuliani

If it has to do something with the Constitution of the United States, don't be shy about checking the appropriate sidebar, whatever it is, in this case frontpage.

I can't tell you all of the times that I see commentaries, whether masthead editorials, i.e. staff editorials without bylines, or regular OpEd, i.e. opinion/editorial, columns for a newspaper such as David Brooks for the NY Times which were not checked off for the editorial sidebar.

Many conservative and libertarian websites write excellent commentaries and sometimes frontpage or breaking news.

Those sidebars are there for a reason. Please use them when appropriate. I find that I can add these articles to sidebars by clicking on "TOPICS" after the article. Then you can enter those terms in lower case letters, and they will appear in the appropriate sidebar.

24 posted on 08/22/2007 1:45:50 AM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: SC- Husker
revered lawmen figures like Wyatt Earp

I think the old west history buffs will tell you Earp was not a revered lawman.

25 posted on 08/22/2007 2:45:38 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: CheyennePress
Not a major issue for me, but for others...

not a major issue for you because you are a Romney fan, and Romney is anti Second Amendment

26 posted on 08/22/2007 2:49:17 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m for Hunter since Thompson hasn’t declared. That said, there are the people who cling to this idea that Guiliani is the only one who can beat hillary. Guiliani IS hillary. There are no differences except for one looks slightly better in a dress.

Guiliani’s time to beat hillary was during the senate race and he blew it. He doesn’t deserve another chance at a higher office.

Guiliani is not the conservatives choice. He’s been the media’s choice and that’s why better candidates like Hunter can’t get any attention.


27 posted on 08/22/2007 5:02:23 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rudy & The Brady Bunch

I'm more and more impressed by Fred Thompson, how about you?

I'm liking it a lot. Fred moves up in my estimation.

I've been disappointed more of the Republican candidates haven't gone after him his anti-gun policies and his history of consorting with and standing with so many enemies of the Second. Like being the only GOP supporter of the AWBan. Like being at the signing ceremony in the Rose Garden when Xlinton was celebrating it.
28 posted on 08/22/2007 5:06:27 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
29 posted on 08/22/2007 5:32:58 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I’ll take Fred over Rudy any day.


30 posted on 08/22/2007 5:44:47 AM PDT by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

31 posted on 08/22/2007 6:10:39 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: WFTR
It's great to see Fred take some political shots at Rudy liberal positions.

I'd like to see more focus on ALL of Guiliani's liberal positions--as Guiliani's disdain for many conservative principles and values need to be highlighted. His discomfort was highlighted in the first debate when he looked like a fool answering the abortion question.

Watching Rudy address his big government gun-grabbing, pro-abortion, pro-Federal funding for abortion, pro-amnesty, pro-sanctuary cities, global warming, pro-litigation and gay rights crusading makes Rudy look more nervous than Bill Clinton in church!!..lol

Let's hope Fred turns up the pressure on ALL of Rudy's liberal positions!! Go Fred, Go!!

32 posted on 08/22/2007 6:12:35 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal one to DIVIDE it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Those who live in New York in the real world????

Yea, real world. This extended campaigning season is actually great for exposing the real person. Guiliani, you $***!

33 posted on 08/22/2007 6:16:15 AM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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Fred Thompson bump!


34 posted on 08/22/2007 6:22:42 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: stevio
This extended campaigning season is actually great for exposing the real person.

Bingo!! It exposes Rudy's natural liberalism with his SLAM ON FRED BEING AN ACTOR!!!

It sure didn't take long for the tiresome 'ACTOR CARD' to be played against Fred,,,,just like liberals played the 'ACTOR CARD' against Ronald Reagan.

I can't believe that Rudy has ALREADY stooped to that liberal stance,,,,but then again, it's not like Rudy didn't try to distance himself from Reagan in the past.

Playing the 'ACTOR CARD' was something I expected from the democrats. Rudy is absolutely SHAMELESS to play that card, but then again, why am I surprised? He IS a LIBERAL.

35 posted on 08/22/2007 6:29:30 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal one to DIVIDE it!)
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To: SC- Husker

know a lot of history buffs and law and order types are on Free Republic and I have a question regarding gun control 2nd Ammendment and such. History tells us in the late 1800’s revered lawmen figures like Wyatt Earp banned guns within city limits of their city (Dodge) how was this accepted (legality ?) and can this be compared to Rudy and his stance on guns when he was Mayor of NYC ?


Why do you assume that Earp was a good guy, had good intentions, or that his ban (if true) was beneficial to the community?


36 posted on 08/22/2007 7:18:16 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: CheyennePress

Fred Thompson has had some rather spotty gun votes in his tenure. To name a few...


Fred has been solid on guns, with the exception of the prohibition on guns for domestic violence violators (note how your GOA blurb shades the truth of that fact.)

Your other one is “Inside DC” trivia, and as irrelevant as all the other GOA smears you omitted (like pretending that letting a Clinton Surgeon General nomination go to a vote on the Senate floor is “anti-gun.”)

I am rabidly pro gun, and Fred impresses me most by his expression of the principle that gun-control is about authoritarianism.

Certainly, he is better than any President in my lifetime on the gun issue, and he is miles better than any current contender.

Huckabee and Hunter might take solid pro-gun stands, but only Freed has the talent to express the position in a way that can win over people in the middle, making gun rights sound reasonable and non-threatening.


37 posted on 08/22/2007 7:23:57 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let’s not forget Mittens Romney when he talk about gungrabbers.


38 posted on 08/22/2007 7:28:44 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: stockstrader

It’s great to see Fred take some political shots at Rudy liberal positions.


Here is a good campaign strategy for Fred:

Run against Rudy now. Ignore Mitt (his real competition) and merely demonstrate that he is more conservative. (Mitt would just say “but I agree with you Fred” anyway, so others can remind voters about Mitt’s expeditious conversion.)

It will demonstrate his capability to run against Hillary.


39 posted on 08/22/2007 7:28:56 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: budwiesest

“...The second ammendment was written to help us identify America’s traitors...”

Well hit! Outta the park!


40 posted on 08/22/2007 7:31:22 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Beelzebubba
Huckabee and Hunter might take solid pro-gun stands, but only Fred has the talent to express the position in a way that can win over people in the middle, making gun rights sound reasonable and non-threatening.

True!

41 posted on 08/22/2007 7:37:56 AM PDT by b9
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To: George W. Bush
Bookmark for later
42 posted on 08/22/2007 7:43:25 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm more and more impressed by Fred Thompson, how about you?

He needs to get well defined position papers/speechs out there. To the extent that Rudy's his target, there's no shortage of issues Thompson can differentiate himself with, including gun control.

43 posted on 08/22/2007 7:58:29 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fred is the best shot at a conservative winner we have.

I like Hunter and Huckabee too but they have no chance...so let’s all get behind the one conservative that can win.....Fred Thompson.


44 posted on 08/22/2007 8:17:32 AM PDT by Gopher Broke (Run Fred, Run http://www.imwithfred.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From what I’ve seen so far, Thompson looks like someone who’s not afraid of playing the publicity-wars game - and may even have the gumption to be pro-active rather than reactive.


45 posted on 08/22/2007 9:08:54 AM PDT by dbwz
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To: Gopher Broke
Fred is the best shot at a conservative winner we have.

Absolutely. The bottom line is this.

The Republican Party (and even the Rudy-Apologists) WILL rally and unite behind a conservative.

The Party will NOT rally and unite (because the conservative base will NOT abandon its traditional values and principles) behind a liberal like Guiliani.

46 posted on 08/22/2007 9:49:13 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal one to DIVIDE it!)
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To: CheyennePress
Fred Thompson has had some rather spotty gun votes in his tenure. To name a few...

Considering your candidate is gung ho for banning "assault weapons" and says the people don't have the right to own guns made for shooting people --

best you just slink away to your little Mitt fan club.

47 posted on 08/22/2007 10:32:26 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Romney : "not really trying to define what is technically amnesty. I'll let the lawyers decide.")
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Never underestimate the California electorate. They are really, really stupid. Who else would vote AGAINST a proposition requiring the State to only pass balance budgets. Only stupid people.

I did--because it WASN'T a proposition requiring a balanced budget (that is already in the State Constitution). The proposition you are probably referring to was being sold as a "spending cap." Unfortunately, it did nothing to curb spending for at least a decade and actually authorized more debt. (You gotta read the fine print--not the Arnold propaganda machine headlines!)

Before labeling all California voters as stupid, perhaps you should become more familiar with the issues.

48 posted on 08/22/2007 11:11:55 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: George W. Bush
I've been disappointed more of the Republican candidates haven't gone after him his anti-gun policies and his history of consorting with and standing with so many enemies of the Second.

That's because they ALL agree with him. Rudy, Mitt, McLAME .... so far all the so called TOP TIER candidates are gun grabbers of the highest order.

A few, like Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul are strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment, too bad they've got a snowball's chance in Hell of being elected. Fred is both a true conservative AND he's totally electable.

Especially in light of the front running RAT'S negatives. Hillary is the annoited one for their nomination and I'll bet a ton of Dems would vote against her just for who she is and what she represents! Same for Barack and even more so for HIM.

OTOH, if the 'Pubbie nominee is anybody BUT Fred Thompson, I wouldn't give a Hoot in Hell for the chances of victory. I for one will switch my Party affiliation from "R" to "I" and I won't vote. I refuse to vote to cut my own throat. It will mean that the mainstream of my own party to which I've been so loyal for the past 32 years will have literally walked away from my core values and beliefs.

49 posted on 08/22/2007 12:03:34 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: calcowgirl
A 10 year phase in is not "doing nothing". It is a 10 year phase in.

Here is the propostion. You might want to read it again...

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/bp_nov05/voter_info_pdf/entire76.pdf

Look who opposed this legislation. They were all big labor unions including the California Teachers Association, the California Nurses Association, California Professional Firefighters, California Coalition of Law Enforcement Associations. All wanted to keep the river of debt money flowing into their pockets.

Which are you? Teacher, Nurse, Firefighter or LEO?

I am constantly confused by the machinations of this State of California but I have come to feel that Tom McClintock is one of the very, very few California politicians who sincerely wants to see a return to sane budgetary and spending practices in California.

This is what Tom McClintock had to say about Proposition 76, the "live within our means act"...

"Restoring the authority of the governor to halt this state’s chronic deficit spending is at the heart of the “Live Within Our Means Act,” and with the adoption of this budget, it is now about the only thing that stands between our state and financial insolvency. We would be well advised to adopt that measure right here as an adjunct to this budget."

The measure even went beyond a mere spending cap and would have attempted to reform problems with the current budget, problems such as education having guaranteed minimum spending levels regardless of revenue (by % of budget), and problems such as Politicians continued raid on transportation money that should go to fixing bridges and highway potholes, despite a PREVIOUS proposition that was passed and that was supposed to prevent future raids on transportation money.

I'm no genius and maybe you are and I'm wrong. But between my reading of the proposition, knowing who supported and who opposed it, and knowing that Tom McClintock felt it was a mandatory piece of legislation -- well, I'll take his opinion over yours any day. Yes, you and others voting against Prop 76 were just plain stupid to do so.

50 posted on 08/22/2007 12:10:29 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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