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Stephon Marbury Comments On Vick
WJBF (Augusta, GA) ^ | 21 Aug 07

Posted on 08/22/2007 5:04:23 AM PDT by PurpleMan

Stephon Marbury, NBA star, "...You know, from what I hear, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors."

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David Stern! Calling David Stern! Please pick up the white courtesy phone!

NBA players are saying that the felony of dogfighting is just sport. Your league is continuing to implode.

Any comment, David?

1 posted on 08/22/2007 5:04:24 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: PurpleMan

And here I thought Stephon Marbury was a cultured and refined individual...


2 posted on 08/22/2007 5:09:28 AM PDT by gridlock (You’ll never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
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To: PurpleMan

I think he has a point. Are we allowed to kill animals or not?


3 posted on 08/22/2007 5:10:40 AM PDT by Vanbasten
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To: Vanbasten
I think he has a point. Are we allowed to kill animals or not?

What part of dog-fighting being a felony do you not understand?

Dog fighting is considered cruelty to animals and rightfully so.

4 posted on 08/22/2007 5:16:54 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Vanbasten

You’re absolutely right. I know hunters who shoot the legs out from deer and then slash them with razors until they die a slow, painful death.

When I catch a fish, especially a short, I make sure that I rip the hook out of its guts before I throw it back to die.

If I can’t keep it, why should I let it live?

Deliberate cruelty is horrendous and inhuman.

I eat meat. I love fishing. Anyone who cannot understand the difference between killing a chicken for food and betting on cockfights is too dense to understand anything.


5 posted on 08/22/2007 5:24:26 AM PDT by joeystoy
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To: gridlock
And here I thought Stephon Marbury was a cultured and refined individual...

Me, too. I think it was the tatoos on his neck that made me think that.

6 posted on 08/22/2007 5:24:40 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: PurpleMan
From what I hear, Stephon Marbury is an idiot. It’s just out in the open.
7 posted on 08/22/2007 5:26:54 AM PDT by Rocko
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To: Rocko
From what I hear, Stephon Marbury is an idiot. It’s just out in the open.

He has now removed any doubt.
8 posted on 08/22/2007 5:28:42 AM PDT by mutley
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To: Vanbasten
Are we allowed to kill animals or not?

You are not allowed to fight dogs in Virigina and there are serious penalties if you should.

9 posted on 08/22/2007 5:29:24 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Michael Moore bought Haliburton)
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To: PurpleMan

From the article...’it’s unknown how it will affect his football career.’

Uh...how about ‘over’.


10 posted on 08/22/2007 5:35:07 AM PDT by Leg Olam
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To: Tribune7

I’ve known Stephon since his high school days. My niece was a cheerleader at Lincoln H.S. when he was playing.

He was an idiot then. He’s an idiot now. And he descends from a long line of nitwits.

The most important quality for a winning point guard is gray matter. NY Knicks fans had the privilege of watching Walt Frazier ply his trade on that same hardwood. Stephon is a disgrace. If Isiah lets this last outrage stand without comment he should be run out of town... along with James (Sonny Boy) Dolan.

“No team will ever contend for a championship with Stephon Marbury playing point.”

That’s not me talking. That’s former team mate Tom Gugliotta.

BTW: Isiah and Dolan should be run out of town regardless.


11 posted on 08/22/2007 5:39:59 AM PDT by joeystoy
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To: Vanbasten
We are allowed to kill animals as quickly and cleanly as possible.

We are not allowed to torture them or otherwise intentionally inflict pain on them for our jollies.

People who do torture animals and hurt them for fun are people who will do the same to their fellow human beings given the opportunity.

12 posted on 08/22/2007 5:40:00 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: fortheDeclaration
“What part of dog-fighting being a felony do you not understand?

Dog fighting is considered cruelty to animals and rightfully so.”

Hmmm,

Well, guess there are gonna be a whole bunch of rural kids locked up as felony perp’s for fighting ole Fido. As a dog lover and owner for all of my life, I do not condone being cruel to animals. “However”, dogs as with other domestic animals, are private property. As such, the owner has a right to kill these animals. Now, electrocution, drowning, banging a dog’s head against a concrete wall does seem somewhat excessive. But, is this actually against the law? Those of us who were raised on farms and ranches are well aware of what happens to dogs that run cattle,especially those that are pregnant, chase milk cows, kill chickens, eat eggs, etc, etc. The answer for you city dwellers is shot dead in the head. Actually, when we cut to the chase on Vick's crime(s), the only thing he is guilty of is the gambling component.

13 posted on 08/22/2007 5:41:08 AM PDT by snoringbear (')
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To: PurpleMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yTjebH2fLU

Marbury at his most eloquent.


14 posted on 08/22/2007 5:42:16 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: Vanbasten

WE do not hang, electrocute or slam dogs into the ground. WE don’t take little puppies or stray dogs and feed them to fighting dogs for bait and to get a taste for flesh. WE are not allowed to run an illegal operation which not only includes canine abuse and murder but illegal gambling, drugs, money laundering, etc.


15 posted on 08/22/2007 5:44:01 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: wideawake
People who do torture animals and hurt them for fun are people who will do the same to their fellow human beings given the opportunity.

True. But they should be criminally prosecuted only when they do harm human beings, not private property.

16 posted on 08/22/2007 5:44:58 AM PDT by Sloth (You being wrong & me being closed-minded are not mutually exclusive.)
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To: joeystoy
I have not been able to enjoy pro basketball since around 1990. The entire league is filled with high-profile idiots.

You think of Marbury vs. Walt Frazier. I think of Allen Iverson vs. Dr. J or Mo Cheeks.

Class is gone.

17 posted on 08/22/2007 5:49:53 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Michael Moore bought Haliburton)
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To: joeystoy

“He was an idiot then. He’s an idiot now. And he descends from a long line of nitwits.”

LOL

He could compete in the “Twit of the Year” competition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMSic0V-Xww


18 posted on 08/22/2007 5:50:24 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: fortheDeclaration

Really. Cruelty to humans? That’s a misdemeanor.


19 posted on 08/22/2007 5:51:47 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: snoringbear
Actually, when we cut to the chase on Vick's crime(s), the only thing he is guilty of is the gambling component.

I wonder why he plead guilty then?
20 posted on 08/22/2007 5:54:07 AM PDT by mutley
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To: Sloth
True. But they should be criminally prosecuted only when they do harm human beings, not private property.

Thankfully, you're not a lawmaker.
21 posted on 08/22/2007 5:56:08 AM PDT by mutley
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To: Vanbasten

I think he has a point. Are we allowed to kill animals or not?
‘’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’

Just another example of how deep the erosion of our freedoms have become. Women have the “right” to choose to murder their unborn children while property owners cannot use their property in ways they deem appropriate. We slaughter cows, pigs, chickens, etc. at our whim by the millions while Vick can’t fight legally purchased dog’s on his own legally purchased property. What business is it of government what he does with his dog’s on his land?
I would never view or wager on a dog fight, but I believe in our private property rights to do so if we choose.


22 posted on 08/22/2007 5:56:31 AM PDT by photodawg (It's not about how hard you can hit. It's about how hard you can get hit ......Rocky Balboa)
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To: snoringbear
While dogfighting is horrible, this whole deal should bring up a debate that nobody wants to get into. Most "conservatives" would agree that animals have no "rights" and are private property. Sure, being cruel to an animal is dispicable, but those of us who know about rural and farm life know that you aren't ever 100% humane to animals, which are your property. Shooting dogs who run your cattle is common place. But you'd get brought up on charges for doing that in a more suburban area. And chickens, cattle - how do people think they are killed? Their necks are broken. And I have heard of people putting down their pets, though "humanely" with a needle, for stupid reasons that in the end, aren't "humane".

Anyway, I think Vick should be shunned for being involved in such a heinous act, but people wanting this guy to go to prison for years upon years, I just can't agree with. A little jail, fine. Shunned by the NFL, definitely. But he didn't hurt a person or kill them as far as we know.
23 posted on 08/22/2007 5:57:16 AM PDT by NorthFlaRebel
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To: snoringbear

Can you not see the difference between killing an animal because it poses a threat of some kind, and torturing animals for fun?


24 posted on 08/22/2007 5:58:35 AM PDT by Lucas McCain (The day may come when the courage of men will fail, but not this day.)
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To: Vanbasten

It appears that on April 4 of this year, one sadistic SOB joined FreeRepublic.


25 posted on 08/22/2007 5:58:42 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: mutley

“Actually, when we cut to the chase on Vick’s crime(s), the only thing he is guilty of is the gambling component.”

“I wonder why he plead guilty then?”

For gambling - duh. It “is” against the law to fight dogs for the purpose of gambling. Same with chickens, except in New Mexico I think. Until recently, it was legal to fight chickens in Oklahome too but I “think” it is now against the law there, but not sure.


26 posted on 08/22/2007 5:59:55 AM PDT by snoringbear (')
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To: Sloth
But they should be criminally prosecuted only when they do harm human beings, not private property.

Sorry. The view of animals as private property argument does not bestow the right to torture, maim, and abuse animals as you desire. Those of you who hold this position really ought to give it more thought (if possible).

27 posted on 08/22/2007 6:01:05 AM PDT by Dysart
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To: doug from upland
It appears that on April 4 of this year, one sadistic SOB joined FreeRepublic.

And when he's gone, hopefully his stench won't linger too long.

28 posted on 08/22/2007 6:03:27 AM PDT by Dysart
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To: photodawg
Vick can’t fight legally purchased dog’s on his own legally purchased property. What business is it of government what he does with his dog’s on his land

It really would behoove you to bone up on the facts of this issue before thumping your chest in a faux-libertarian rant. Vick's dogfighting was not restricted to his own private property. Thus the violation of interstate commerce laws.
29 posted on 08/22/2007 6:04:41 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: NorthFlaRebel

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Anyway, I think Vick should be shunned for being involved in such a heinous act, but people wanting this guy to go to prison for years upon years, I just can’t agree with. A little jail, fine. Shunned by the NFL, definitely. But he didn’t hurt a person or kill them as far as we know
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Good point, but what out for the invading peta folks, I made pretty much same poiint in anouther thread yesterday plus with the point I felt bad for Vick for what he’s going through. Got chewed out.


30 posted on 08/22/2007 6:05:38 AM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: AppyPappy
Really. Cruelty to humans? That’s a misdemeanor

It is?

I didn't know that making humans fight to the death was just a misdemeanor.

31 posted on 08/22/2007 6:07:08 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: photodawg

Trying to equate an animal to the private-property equivalent of a lampshade is just stupidity. You can do what you want with your lampshade. Spray-paint it, pee on it, cut it into little pieces, burn it - whatever you want to do to it. But you cannot do that to an animal. If you do, you are not only breaking the law but you are a sick bastard who deserves to be tied up, doused with blood and thrown into the middle of a pack of ravenous pit bulls.

I agree that there is a dichotomy here when it comes to abortion, but just because abortion happens to be legal in this country doesn’t mean that we should stoop to the same level when it comes to the treatment of animals.


32 posted on 08/22/2007 6:07:11 AM PDT by RightFighter
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To: Dysart
“Sorry. The view of animals as private property argument does not bestow the right to torture, maim, and abuse animals as you desire. Those of you who hold this position really ought to give it more thought (if possible).”

Well, I detect a certain amount of “tongue in cheek” commentary in this string. However, concerning my comments I am attempting to make the point that those who live on farms and ranches and live and even depend on domestic animals for their livihoods have a different perspective when it comes to dogs than urban apartment dwellers - more pragmatic for sure. I won’t even bother to comment on cat lovers, not worth the effort...

33 posted on 08/22/2007 6:07:37 AM PDT by snoringbear (')
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To: snoringbear

In every case you bring up except pregnancy the dog has done something dangerous in order to warrant being killed, which is nothing at all like killing dogs for the fun of it.

If the dog is pregnant, it’s your own fault for not spaying it in the first place and you are just as evil as any other animal torturer when you kill it.


34 posted on 08/22/2007 6:08:16 AM PDT by nhoward14
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To: fortheDeclaration

Dogs don’t fight to the death in dog fights. They fight until one quits or dies. I think Esquire did an article on it several years back.

You should be able to pick up a video called BumFights in your local rental shop


35 posted on 08/22/2007 6:09:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
What part of dog-fighting being a felony do you not understand?

Dog fighting is considered cruelty to animals and rightfully so
‘’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’

In your opinion. You don’t own Vick’s dogs. I trust you understand that the domestic dog, if allowed to, would hunt you in packs and eat you for food, and would fight each other at will for the choicest piece of you.

36 posted on 08/22/2007 6:10:11 AM PDT by photodawg (It's not about how hard you can hit. It's about how hard you can get hit ......Rocky Balboa)
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To: gridlock
Those traits are not permitted in the NBA.
37 posted on 08/22/2007 6:11:20 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: snoringbear

Vick surely did not depend on these animals for his “livelihood”. Vick didn’t need to feed his buddies pit bull stew to survive. Vick wasn’t protecting the chicken coop from marauding packs of dogs. Vick is not a farmer, rancher, hunter, fisherman, etc. Vick is not a misunderstood victim of “city-dwellers” who simply don’t get how animals are treated by the rugged hearty types who populate the countryside.


38 posted on 08/22/2007 6:12:43 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: photodawg
Congratulations.

You just took the bait from a n00bie troll and your inane comments will be posted and quoted on DU within the hour.

Dogfighting is illegal because the people of Virginia abhor cruelty enough that they've passed a LAW against it. Your comment about property rights is absolutely stupid in that context. What's next, your right to operate a crack lab "on your own property"?

The plural of "dog" does not have an apostrophe, btw. It's spelled "dogs".

39 posted on 08/22/2007 6:14:22 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: LanPB01

“We play basketball, we wear tennis shoes.”

Brilliant!

(Yes, he really said that. I stopped listening after that.)


40 posted on 08/22/2007 6:15:25 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: photodawg
I trust you understand that the domestic dog, if allowed to, would hunt you in packs and eat you for food, and would fight each other at will for the choicest piece of you

Thanks for the heads up. We better get them before they get us! Geez you are dense...
41 posted on 08/22/2007 6:16:15 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: snoringbear
Well, guess there are gonna be a whole bunch of rural kids locked up as felony perp’s for fighting ole Fido. As a dog lover and owner for all of my life, I do not condone being cruel to animals. “However”, dogs as with other domestic animals, are private property. As such, the owner has a right to kill these animals. Now, electrocution, drowning, banging a dog’s head against a concrete wall does seem somewhat excessive. But, is this actually against the law? Those of us who were raised on farms and ranches are well aware of what happens to dogs that run cattle,especially those that are pregnant, chase milk cows, kill chickens, eat eggs, etc, etc. The answer for you city dwellers is shot dead in the head. Actually, when we cut to the chase on Vick's crime(s), the only thing he is guilty of is the gambling component.

He is guilty of breaking a law that is on the books as a felony-dog fighting.

He is guilty of breaking God's moral law regarding cruelty to animals.

The righteous man regardeth the life of his beast.(Pro.12:7)

So laws that punish cruelty to animals are just laws based on Biblical principle.

And dont' give me 'I wouldn't do that but he has a right to' nonsense.

If you condone that wickedness you are just as guilty as he is.

42 posted on 08/22/2007 6:16:21 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: PurpleMan

“Your league (NBA) is continuing to implode.”

......I feel the same way....and BTW anybody check out the prices these folks charge for their sorry product?...$600/game for a family of four!!!....here’s the price list for our local team....

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/tickets/seating_chart_0607.html


43 posted on 08/22/2007 6:16:34 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: NoDRodee

Pit Bulls Break Into Home, Maul Woman
GIG HARBOR, Wash. — Two pit bull terriers broke into a house through a pet door Tuesday and attacked a woman in her bed, mauling her badly, a Pierce County sheriff’s spokesman said.

The woman was able to grab a gun and try to shoot the dogs, then break away from the attack and lock herself in her car, where she called 911, sheriff’s spokesman Ed Troyer said.

The woman, who was not immediately identified, was taken to a hospital in Tacoma, where she was listed in serious condition.

Officers planned to talk to the dogs’ owner.

The pit bulls also killed a neighbor’s Jack Russell terrier, which entered the house during the attack, Troyer said.

“The thought is that the Jack Russell heard noise in the neighbor’s house, came in and was attacked by the dogs,” Troyer said.

Firefighters responded first, locking the dogs in the house, treating the woman and calling for an ambulance.

Officers “had to pepper spray and fight the dogs until they were detained. We almost had to shoot them on site,” Troyer said.

The dogs were taken to a Humane Society and will probably be destroyed, he said.

It was not immediately known why the dogs entered the house, whether the woman had dogs of her own or what set off the attack.
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Who deserves more time in jail the owner of these dogs or Vick?


44 posted on 08/22/2007 6:17:54 AM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: nhoward14
“In every case you bring up except pregnancy the dog has done something dangerous in order to warrant being killed”

Sometimes I dispare for the Republic. Dilbert, suggest you re-read my comments. I was referring to the cow being pregnant not the dog. While re-reading my comments, perhaps you will note that I did not condone Vick’s vile acts. Merely made the statement that his methods of killing his dogs may not be illegal. Gezzz, if you're gonna get in the game, try to remember to wear your helmet...

45 posted on 08/22/2007 6:18:38 AM PDT by snoringbear (')
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To: photodawg
In your opinion. You don’t own Vick’s dogs. I trust you understand that the domestic dog, if allowed to, would hunt you in packs and eat you for food, and would fight each other at will for the choicest piece of you.

Not my opinion, it is the law.

And as for dogs, they are domestic animals and help human beings.

Moreover, dog fighters steal pets from homes to use as 'bait' dogs, some of which they found in Vick's animal killing factory.

46 posted on 08/22/2007 6:19:12 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: snoringbear
For gambling - duh. It “is” against the law to fight dogs for the purpose of gambling. Same with chickens, except in New Mexico I think. Until recently, it was legal to fight chickens in Oklahome too but I “think” it is now against the law there, but not sure.

The POS Vick is also going to be charged with animal cruelty in the state of Virginia, where it is a felony, punishable by up to five years in prison.
47 posted on 08/22/2007 6:19:13 AM PDT by mutley
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To: PurpleMan
Any comment, David?

I think he's hiding under his bed.

48 posted on 08/22/2007 6:19:23 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: snoringbear

For some FReepers, the leap from “should not be condoned” to “should be illegal” is very short.

I agree that cruelty to animals is repugnant and impolite. I agree that nobody should do it. I do not see why it should be illegal, however.

Why should it be illegal?


49 posted on 08/22/2007 6:20:27 AM PDT by gridlock (You’ll never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
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To: over3Owithabrain

“We better get them before they get us!”

I suggest we allow good citizens like Michael Vick to keep pitting them against each other so we don’t have to fight them in our own homes!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1884723/posts


50 posted on 08/22/2007 6:22:38 AM PDT by LanPB01
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