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Posted on 08/22/2007 8:27:27 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
Russia showcases fighter jet developed for Indian Navy
21 Aug, 2007, 1815 hrs IST, PTI
ZHUKOVSKY: Russia for the first time showcased the MiG-29K deck-based fighter specially developed for the Indian Navy at the 8th international aerospace show 'MAKS-2007', inaugurated by President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday.
MiG-29K and its fighter-trainer variant MiG-29KUB, showcased here at the local airbase near Moscow, is part of the USD 1.5 billion Gorshkov aircraft carrier deal and India is also expected to deploy them on the indigenous aircraft carriers under Advanced Air Defence Ship (ADS) project currently at an advanced development stage.
MiG-29K is equipped with modified Sea Wasp engines providing greater thrust in hot and humid tropical climate of the Indian Ocean for easy lift-off from short runways of aircraft carriers.
Eying the USD 9 billion contract for the delivery of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) to the Indian Air Force, Russia's MiG Corporation has also fielded its favourite MiG-35 and MiG-29OVT with thrust vectoring engines.
Almost 800 aerospace companies from 46 countries, including Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and New Delhi-based Indo-Russian joint venture BrahMos Aerospace have put on static displays of their aircraft models and missiles.
You should buy a French Rafale; newer design, RCS reduction measures included, better radar (eventually AESA), a plane that will be around for a long time..... If you decide to light a nuke in the future, or go to war with Pakistan for the same old reasons, you know you’ll get parts and support from the French. The French make a decent product that is NATO compatible. Most importantly the French are within the West bottom feeders. They are the ones most willing to make any deal with anyone for a buck. Libya, China, Iraq....... With the French as long as you can pay, they will deliver. Your Mirage 2000 purchase years ago is proof of that. A Rafale is no SH, but it’s better than a MIG29.
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Ok, lets play a game, guess what the Soviet System is based on.
Easy to hard (What were these Russian systems inspired or based on?)-
TU160
SU25
AA12
The bonus question-
Which Russian radar was influenced by the AWG-9?
Hint, this radar had some of their first effective counter clutter and ECCM capabilities and must have come about after 1979, thanks to Iran.
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“You should buy a French Rafale; newer design, RCS reduction measures included, better radar (eventually AESA), a plane that will be around for a long time”
I highly doubt the Rafale will be around for a long time with anyone but the French themsselves. In fact the JSF may well be the death knell for the Rafale.
Regarding AESA well, I would think the Russians could make just as good AESA radars as the french going forward.
When we talk of NATO compatibility, isnt it more relevant for India’s fighters to be compatible with its own fleet of Su-30s?
The Rafale will be around for a while and is very potent. It is also carrier capable. It does have some RCS reduction measures, the AESA will be the same as on the EF, the plane specs out fairly well, the avionics is highly modern, it’s a NATO/Western compatible platform..... I don’t think it’s the best all around system available and carrier capable today, that title would go to the SH. The JSF will be in a class of its own with the Raptor, but they won’t be around for a while, at least not for India, and that’s no insult, even the USN will have to wait a long time (Production capacity). However, Rafale is an option. If the US is not willing to sell the good toys (We dumb down our exports often), if we are viewed politically a liability and dependence on a US system is not sought (Let’s say you decide to light a nuke in the future), the next best option is a Rafale.
“The Super Hornet owns that arena.”
I really hate to admit this, being a Navy guy, but in pure fighter terms, the Mig-29 is the better bird. The Super-Hornet is by far the better multi-mission bird, but in high altitude air to air, the Mig has some distinct advantages. The difference in this fight in our favor is training and electronic warfare, mainly better shipboard support. We sent our birds against German Mig-29’s, and our guys were pretty impressed. The Indians are spending a lot on training, and the Germans proved that if you put good pilots in them, Mig-29’s are some of the best dogfighters out there right now, old as they are.
I know what you are saying and I agree that India needs to expand beyond using just russian hardware but compatibility with existing assets is absolutely necessary.
Besides, I do believe Indian migs are already capable of using some french missiles and the new Migs that will come with “Gorshkov” will undoubtedly have a more “open” architecture with respect to integrating western weapons.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/MiG-29K.html
But I disagree with respect to the Rafale. They havent secured a single export customer and the future sales will be hampered as NATO countries standardize on JSF. Who will buy the Rafale when you could buy JSF for the same price?
I just dont see how the Rafale will have an installed base to finance its evolution.
The Russians (& even the Chinese) have been offering aircraft with avionics based on MIL-STD 1533 bus,including the SU-30 & the newer Mig-29 series,making the carriage of those weapons you mentioned more of a political issue..India already has integrated some French & Israeli weaponry on it’s Russian aircraft like the SU-30 & Mig-21/29.
The fight isn’t at Mach 2 and 50,000 feet. Show may any engagement A2A at Mach 2? The fight is in the transonic range and the SH has more than enough performance. In fact, even the newer and more capable JSF won’t be any faster, better climbing etc than a SH. You’re considering variables that are essentially insignificant. However in the realm of kinetics, the fact that the MIG has no legs is a serious handicap. Acceleration and ability to sustain the energy within the transonic range is more important that being able to break Mach 2 or bust some theoretical altitude you realistically can’t operate at.
A fatal flaw you make is to take the performance of the MIG29 in its land variant. That planes weight will increase and its payload lessen just like any aircraft does when it is familiarized with folding wings, heavy landing gear, and structural changes to withstand more or less repeated crash landings on a deck. Their naval version will be pushed by power plants that like ours are tweaked for lower altitudes (compression vs. heating)....... A Rafale for example gained about 1,200 pounds in its carrier variant.
Battle of the middle/welterweight fighter market:
Export customers
MiG-29: 26 (not counting thise airforces which removed it from service after the fall of the Soviet Empire)
F-16: 23
F-18: 7
Eurofighter: 2 (apart from UK, Germany, Italy, Spain)
Rafale: 0
Sure they will. Just ask Israel.
Pretty unfair chart that!!Most of the exports of the first 3 happened before the Typhoon & Rafale even completed testing.
Sure,there is no such thing as screw n use-which is why barring probably the Swedes,nobody offers a range of diverse options from the start.
About their radars & their capability,how exactly do they use the AA-12 then?
When the whole world turned their back on India and Pakistan because of their nuclear games; Russia, China and France were the ones rushing in to fill the void.
During the 11 year armistice with Iraq, it was the French who along with the other bottom feeders rushed in and most likely even were involved in Roland sales shortly before wars begin (Although they deny it, but we own the missiles found in Iraq). Look at today with Libya. If you look at some of the Russian planes with advanced avionics you’d be surprised where much was developed or even came from, France. In fact India is looking at the MIG29 with a French HMCS, GPS etc. You might want to check out where some of the newer Chinese GSR systems came from, what the newer Russian FLIR technology is based on……..
Oh yea, among the NATO counties and the West, the French are the bottom feeder. They will do deals with those others won’t.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,,2141219,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6928880.stm
The whole world?????Barring the US & Sweden,no other country stopped military cooperation with India-including Britain,Poland,South Africa & Israel.Infact,cooperation shot up as spending increased.
Last I heard the Gorshkov deal was in serious problems because the Ruskies had blown all the money and haven’t finished the job.
Germany also said - “Nein Danke” to you, as did Italy. Most Western nations with any aerospace capabilities restricted what they were willing to sell you in some fashion, except the French. They saw others imposing restrictions as an opportunity for them.
During that time period most of your procurement of advanced systems came from a few countries like France and Russia. Example: Mirage 2000
Other examples; because of our embargo you couldn’t get needed parts for Paveway systems you had. The UK was so helpful that 60% of your Sea Kings (Westland) were grounded during that time......
You’re talking $hit-
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