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Road to Moscow: Bill Clinton’s Early Activism from Fulbright to Moscow
Original FReeper research | 08/22/2007 | Fedora

Posted on 08/22/2007 1:26:32 PM PDT by Fedora

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1 posted on 08/22/2007 1:26:38 PM PDT by Fedora
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Ping.


2 posted on 08/22/2007 1:28:08 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

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3 posted on 08/22/2007 1:29:03 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Fedora

Clinton might have indeed been poor and hungry but it appears he had enough to travel extensively, air travel in those days was not cheap either.
Wonder where he got the money ?


4 posted on 08/22/2007 1:55:44 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Fedora

Somewhere there is a picture of the bent one on the steps of the Krimlin, burning our American flag. I seen it during his first campaign. Does anyone have that picture? I’d love to have it.


5 posted on 08/22/2007 2:00:52 PM PDT by raisincane (Dims think we're all oblivious to the obvious)
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To: 1066AD

This is why there’s significance in the question of whether he travelled to Prague by air, as some reports claimed, or by train, as he claims. Even if he went by train, this raises an issue. According to him, “Nikki and her Haitian friend Helene put me on the train”. “Nikki” would be Anik Alexis, his friend from Patrice Lumumba University, an interesting source of funding.


6 posted on 08/22/2007 2:16:07 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: raisincane

I don’t have a picture of that. I remember the controversy from his first campaign but don’t remember if I actually saw a picture or just heard there was one.


7 posted on 08/22/2007 2:20:28 PM PDT by Fedora
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From a 1992 Saturday Night Live skit:

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Jane Pauley: Sam Donaldson, with a question for Governor Clinton.

Sam Donaldson: Governor Clinton, this week the big story has been your 1969 trip to Moscow, and your involvement in antiwar activities. Some have ven suggested that while in Moscow, you had meetings with KGB agents. Isn't it fair to say that you haven't really told the American people the full story?

Bill Clinton: Sam, this kind of attack shows how desperate the Bush campaign has become. Yes, I did go to Moscow by train in 1969. And while on the train, I struck up a conversation with a man in the seat next to me. He gave me a package to take to Moscow and instructed me to leave it folded in a newspaper in a kiosk across from Lenin's tomb. I've explained this many times. Yes, the KGB did subsequently pay my way through law school, but that was the last contact I had with the KGB until years later when Hillary and I were having problems, and it was a KGB agent, Nikolai Kuznetsov, who let me stay at his place for a while until we patched things up.

Sam Donaldson: But isn't it true that during one of the peace demonstrations you burned an American flag in Red Square?

Bill Clinton: I tried to burn an American flag once. I didn't like it. It gave off toxic fumes, so I didn't inhale.

Ross Perot: Can I say something here?

Jane Pauley: Mr. Perot.

Ross Perot: I think that's just sad.

8 posted on 08/22/2007 2:22:03 PM PDT by Fedora
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1342023/posts
The Clintons Terrorist Ties

http://prorev.com/connex2.htm
Arkansas Connections: A Time-line of the Clinton Years by Sam Smith - 1990 ON

http://www.answers.com/topic/clinton-s-pardons-list
Clinton’s Pardons List: Information From Answers.com

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1998/10/1/55325
How Hillary Nuked Nixon

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/765080/posts
The Clinton Files

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1481988/posts
REMEMBERING SEPT. 11: BILL CLINTON’S ULTIMATE LEGACY

Clinton timeline.

August 19, 1964 - Clinton registers for the draft
—[Washington Post Sep 13 92]

September 1964 - Clinton, age 18, enters Georgetown University
—[The Comeback Kid, CF Allen and J Portis, p. 20]

November 17, 1964- Clinton is classified 2-S (student deferment). This will shield him from the draft throughout his undergraduate years.
-—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]

February 16, 1968 - “The Johnson administration unexpectedly abolished graduate deferments.”
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]

March 20, 1968 - Clinton, age 21, is classified 1-A, eligible for induction, as he nears graduation from Georgetown.
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]

Comment: Bill Clinton was the only man of his prime draft age classified1-A by that draft board in 1968 whose pre-induction physical examination was put off for 10.5 months. This delay was more than twice as long as anyone else and more than five times longer than most area men of comparable eligibility.
—[Los Angeles Times Sep 02 92]

Summer 1968 - Political and family influence keeps Clinton out of the draft. Robert Corrado — the only surviving Hot Springs draft board member from that period — concluded that Clinton’s draft statement (the long delays) was the result of “some form of preferential treatment.” According to the Times, “Corrado recalled that the chairman of the three-man draft panel ... once held back Clinton’s file with the explanation that ‘we’ve got to give him time to go to Oxford,’ where the semester began in the fall of 1968.
Corrado also complained that he was called by an aide to then Senator J. William Fulbright urging him and his fellow board members to ‘give every consideration’ to keep Clinton out of the draft so he could attend Oxford.

Throughout the remainder of 1968, Corrado said, Clinton’s draft file was routinely held back from consideration by the full board. Consequently, although he was classified 1-A on March 20, 1968, he was not called for his physical exam until Feb 3, 1969, while he was at Oxford.

Clinton’s Uncle Raymond Clinton personally lobbied Senator Fulbright, William S. Armstrong, the chairman of the three-man Hot Springs draft board, and Lt. Comdr. Trice Ellis, Jr., commanding officer of the local Navy reserve unit, to obtain a slot for Clinton in the Naval Reserve.
Clinton secured a “standard enlisted man’s billet, not an officer’s slot which would have required Clinton to serve two years on active duty beginning within 12 months of his acceptance.” This Navy Reserve assignment was “created especially for the Bill Clinton at a time in 1968 when no existing reserve slots were open in his hometown unit.”
According to the LA Times, “after about two weeks waiting for Bill Clinton to arrive for his preliminary interview and physical exam, Ellis said he called (Clinton’s uncle) Raymond to inquire - ‘What happened to that boy?’ According to Ellis, Clinton’s uncle replied - ‘Don’t worry about it. He won’t be coming down. “It’s all been taken care of.’ “
—[LA Times Sep 02 92]

Fall 1968 - Because of the local draft board’s continuing postponement of his pre-induction physical, Clinton is able to enroll at Oxford Univ.
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]

February 2, 1969 - While at Oxford, Clinton finally takes and passes a military physical examination.
—[Washington Times Sep 18 92]

April 1969 - Clinton receives induction notice from the Hot Springs AR draft board. Clinton however claims that the draft board told him to ignore the notice because it arrived after the deadline for induction.
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]

June-July 1969 - Clinton receives a second induction notice with a July 28 induction date and returns home.
—[Wash Times Sep 18 92]

July 11, 1969 - Clinton’s friend at Oxford, Cliff Jackson, writes, “Clinton is feverishly trying to find a way to avoid entering the Army as a drafted private. I have had several of my friends in influential positions trying to pull strings on Bill’s behalf.”
— [LA Times Sep 26 92]

Clinton benefited from yet another lobbying campaign in order to evade this induction notice. “Democratic presidential candidate Bill Clinton, who has said he did not pull strings to avoid the Vietnam-era draft, was able to get his Army induction notice canceled in the summer of 1969 after a lobbying effort directed at the Republican head of the state draft agency.” Arrangements were made for Clinton to meet with Col. Williard A. Hawkins who “was the only person in Arkansas with authority to rescind a draft notice. ... The apparently successful appeal to Hawkins was planned while Clinton was finishing his first year as a Rhodes scholar in England. Clinton’s former friend and Oxford classmate, Cliff Jackson — now an avowed political critic of the candidate — said it was pursued immediately upon Clinton’s return to AR in early July 1969 to beat a July 28 deadline for induction.”
— [LA Times Sep 26 92]

Comment: Jackson’s statement is contrary to Clinton’s repeated assertions that he received no special treatment in avoiding military service. “(I) never received any unusual or favorable treatment.” [LA Times Sep 02 92]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1507094/posts
Clinton admitting to being in USSR in 1969 or 1970.

August 7, 1969 - Clinton is reclassified 1-D after he arranges to enter the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas.
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]

According to Cliff Jackson, Clinton’s Oxford classmate, Clinton used the ROTC program to “kill the draft notice, to avoid reporting on the July 28 induction date, which had already been postponed. And he did that by promising to serve his country in the ROTC, number one, to enroll in the law school that fall ... and he never enrolled.”
—[Wash Times Sep 17 92]

Comment - Clinton’s admission into the ROTC program again runs contrary to his repeated statements that he received no special treatment in order to evade military service. Col. Eugene Holmes, commander of the University of Arkansas ROTC program, said Clinton was admitted after pressure from the Hot Springs draft board and the office of Senator J. William Fulbright (D-AR).

Again, Clinton was receiving preferential treatment. In addition, records from the Army reveal that Clinton was not legally eligible for the ROTC program at that time. Army regulations required recruits to be enrolled at the university and attending classes full-time before being admitted to an ROTC program.

Fall 1969 - Clinton returns to Oxford for a second year. Clinton was supposed to be at the Arkansas Law School. However, according to Cliff Jackson, “Sen. Fulbright’s office and Bill himself continued to exert tremendous pressure on poor Col. Holmes to get him [Clinton] to go back to Oxford.”
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]

September 14, 1969 - The Arkansas Gazette, published in Little Rock, headlined a draft suspension was reportedly planned by the President.

Comment - The article, citing a source, said Selective

Service reforms when implemented, would only permit the conscription of 19-year-old men. In addition, the source said “the Army would send to Vietnam only enlistees, professional soldiers, and those draftees who volunteered to go.” The source contended that these reforms, combined with troop withdrawals, “would put pressure on the Congress to enact draft legislation already proposed by the President ... and set up a lottery to conscript only 19-year-old men,” the Gazette reported.

From his letter to Col. Holmes, Bill Clinton said “....Finally, on Sept. 12 I stayed up all night writing a letter to the chairman of my draft board,......I never mailed the letter, but I did carry it on me every day until I got on the plane to return to England.”. It is very probable that Bill Clinton was in the United States and well aware of the above proposal on Sep 14, 1969. Bill Clinton was 23 years old.

September 19, 1969 - “President Nixon, facing turmoil on college campuses, suspended draft calls for November and December of 1969 and said the October call would be spread out over three months.”
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]

The President also indicated that if the Congress did not act to establish a lottery system, he would remove by executive order the vulnerability to the draft of all men age 20 to 26.

Comment - Again, Clinton was 23 years old.

September-October 1969 - “At some point, Clinton decided to make himself eligible for the draft and said in February 1992 his stepfather had acted in his behalf to accomplish this. Newsweek, attributing the information to campaign officials, said this all happened in Oct 1969. Clinton spokesperson Betsey Wright ... said she believed it took place in September. The difference is potentially significant. ... If Clinton did not act to give up his deferment until October, he could have known he faced no liability from the draft until the following summer, that he could take his chances with the lottery and find alternative service if he got a low number.”
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]

October 1, 1969 - “Nixon announced that anyone in graduate school could complete the full year.”
—[Wash Post Sep 13 92]

Comment - Clinton is now safe from the draft through June 1970.

October 1969 - President Nixon suspends call-up of additional draftees until a draft lottery is held in December.

October 15, 1969 - Clinton organized and led anti-war demonstrations in London.
— [Wash Times Sep 18 92]

Comment - According to McSorley, Clinton’s demonstrations “had the support of British peace organizations” such as the British Peace Council, an arm of the KGB-backed World Peace Council.

October 30, 1969 - Clinton is reclassified 1-A, eligible for induction.
—[Wash Times Sep 28 92]

Comment - “Clinton said he put himself into the draft by contacting his draft board in September or October and asking to be reclassified 1-A. ... It is not clear, however, whether that occurred at Clinton’s urging or whether his failure to enroll at University of Arkansas automatically cancelled his 1-D deferment.”

Clinton has never produced any evidence to substantiate his claim that he initiated his reclassification.

November 16, 1969 - Clinton organized and led anti-war demonstrations in London.

December 1, 1969 - Clinton draws #311 in the first draft lottery.
—[Wash Times Sep 18 92]

Comment - Clinton was virtually assured that he would not be drafted because of the high lottery number.

December 3, 1969 - While still in England, Clinton writes to Lt. Col. Eugene Holmes, , commander of the University of Arkansas ROTC Program and states, “From my work I came to believe that the draft system is illegitimate ... I decided to accept the draft in spite of my beliefs for one reason - to maintain my political viability.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1209454/posts?page=1#1
Clinton’s ROTC Letter As Entered in Congressional Record (Page: H5550) 7/30/93


9 posted on 08/22/2007 2:27:59 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

As usual, Fedora ROCKS!


10 posted on 08/22/2007 2:29:31 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

I think you were the one who first pointed out the VMC connection to me, waaay back in 2004 :-)


11 posted on 08/22/2007 2:31:18 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: nw_arizona_granny; Fedora

Actually, it was NW_Arizona_Granny that pointed it out to me when I made this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts
Vets refuse to forgive Kerry for antiwar acts

She posted in there that she remembered Clinton going to Russia and she gave the approximate years.

After I found that I made the Clinton timeline.


12 posted on 08/22/2007 2:35:53 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Fedora

Regardless, I can’t make great threads like you. I can only copy and paste :)

And you are on my copy and paste list for this evening.

Of to check on my dinner. ciao!


13 posted on 08/22/2007 2:37:30 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Fedora

Thanks for the ping.


14 posted on 08/22/2007 2:38:47 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Calpernia; nw_arizona_granny
Actually, it was NW_Arizona_Granny that pointed it out to me when I made this thread:

Thanks, nw_arizona_granny! :-)

15 posted on 08/22/2007 2:39:24 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: davidosborne; airborne; Antoninus; GulfBreeze; processing please hold; dynachrome; RasterMaster; ...

Of interest. For reference.


16 posted on 08/22/2007 2:45:06 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Fedora

bookmark for later


17 posted on 08/22/2007 2:52:31 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Calpernia

bump!


18 posted on 08/22/2007 2:55:17 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Calpernia; Fedora

Good stuff and a useful reminder who the klintoons are. I assume hillary was doing her bit to help bring down Nixon suring this time?


19 posted on 08/22/2007 2:58:10 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: dynachrome

“during” not “suring”
Post in haste.....


20 posted on 08/22/2007 2:58:48 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: Fedora; Calpernia

You are both awesome!


21 posted on 08/22/2007 3:00:01 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: dynachrome
Hillary met a couple Kennedy associates on the faculty at Yale who got her on the Watergate prosecutors' staff. This would be a few years later, around 1972-1974, somewhere in there. There's some discussion in David Brock's Seduction of Hillary Rodham, and I think Jerry Zeifman, Without Honor: Crimes of Camelot and the Impeachment of Richard Nixon.
22 posted on 08/22/2007 3:08:55 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Paperdoll

Aww, thanks! :-)


23 posted on 08/22/2007 3:10:48 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Thanks.


24 posted on 08/22/2007 3:11:59 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: Fedora

great moments in the history of white trash.


25 posted on 08/22/2007 3:18:42 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hate me, I'm white.)
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To: Fedora; Calpernia
A fine addition for my archives... Great work!

Thank You!

26 posted on 08/22/2007 3:20:28 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Hunter/Thompson or Thompson/Hunter '08_Either way suits me just fine!)
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Clinton's ROTC Letter As Entered in Congressional Record (Page: H5550) 7/30/93

Dear Col. Holmes,

I am sorry to be so long in writing. I know I promised to let you hear from me at least once a month, and from now on you will, but I have to have some time to think about this first letter. Almost daily since my return to England I have thought about writing, about what I want to and ought to say.

First, I want to thank you, not only for saving me from the draft, but for being so kind to me last summer, when I was as low as I have ever been. One thing that made the bond we struck in good faith somewhat palatable to me was my high regard for you personally. In retrospect, it seems that the admiration might not have been mutual had you known a little more about me, about my political beliefs and activities. At least you might have thought me more fit for the draft than for ROTC.

Let me try to explain. As you know, I worked in a very minor position on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I did it for the experience and the salary but also for the opportunity, however small, of working every day against a war I opposed and despised with a depth of feeling I had reserved solely for racism in America before Vietnam. I did not take the matter lightly but studied it carefully, and there was a time when not many people had more information about Vietnam at hand than I did.

I have written and spoken and marched against the war. One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine. After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to Washington to work in the national headquarters of the Moratorium, then to England to organize the Americans here for demonstrations October 15 and November 16.

Interlocked with the war is the draft issue, which I did not begin to consider separately until early 1968. For a law seminar at Georgetown I wrote a paper on the legal arguments for and against allowing, within the Selective Service System, the classification of selective conscientious objection, for those opposed to participation in a particular war, not simply to "participation in war in any form."

From my work, I came to believe that the draft system itself is illegitimate. No government really rooted in limited, parliamentary democracy should have the power to make its citizens fight and kill and die in a war they may oppose, a war which even possibly may be wrong, a war, which in any case, does not involve immediately the peace and freedom of the nation. The draft was justified in World War II because the life of the people collectively was at stake.

Individuals had to fight, if the nation was to survive, for the lives of their country and their way of life. Vietnam is no such case. Nor was Korea an example where, in my opinion, certain military action was justified but the draft was not, for the reasons stated above.

Because of my opposition to the draft and the war, I am in great sympathy with those who are not willing to fight, kill, and maybe die for their country (i.e. the particular policy of a particular government) right or wrong. Two of my friends at Oxford are conscientious objectors. I wrote a letter of recommendation for one of them to his Mississippi draft board, a letter I am more proud of than anything else I wrote at Oxford last year. One of my roommates is a draft resister who is possibly under indictment and may never be able to go home again. He is one of the bravest, best men I know. His country needs men like him more than they know. That he is considered a criminal is an obscenity.

The decision not to be a resister and the related subsequent decisions were the most difficult of my life. I decided to accept the draft in spite of my beliefs for one reason only, to maintain my political viability within the system. For years I have worked to prepare myself for a political life characterized by both practical political ability and concern for rapid social progress. It is a life I still feel compelled to try to lead. I do not think our system of government is by definition corrupt, however dangerous and inadequate it has been in recent years. (The society may be corrupt, but that is not the same thing, and if that is true we are all finished anyway.)

When the draft came, despite political convictions, I was having a hard time facing the prospect of fighting a war I had been fighting against, and that is why I contacted you. ROTC was the one way in which I could possibly, but not positively, avoid both Vietnam and the resistance. Going on with my education, even coming back to England, played no part in my decision to join ROTC. I am back here, and would have been at Arkansas Law School because there is nothing else I can do. I would like to have been able to take a year out perhaps to teach in a small college or work on some community action project and in the process to decide whether to attend law school or graduate school and how to begin putting what I have learned to use.

But the particulars of my personal life are not near as important to me as the principles involved. After I signed the ROTC letter of intent I began to wonder whether the compromise I had made with myself was not more objectionable than the draft would have been, because I had no interest in the ROTC program itself and all I seem to have done was to protect myself from physical harm. Also, I had begun to think that I had deceived you, not by lies--there were none--but by failing to tell you all of the things I'm telling you now. I doubt I had the mental coherence to articulate them then.

At that time, after we had made our agreement and you had sent my 1D deferment to my draft board, the anguish and loss of my self regard and self confidence really set in. I hardly slept for weeks and kept going by eating compulsively and reading until exhaustion brought sleep. Finally, on September 12 I stayed up all night writing a letter to the chairman of my draft board, saying basically what is in the preceding paragraph, thanking him for trying to help in a case where he really couldn't, and stating that I couldn't do the ROTC after all and would he please draft me as soon as possible.

I never mailed the letter, but I did carry it with me every day until I got on the plane to return to England. I didn't mail the letter because I didn't see, in the end, how my going in the army and maybe going to Vietnam would achieve anything except a feeling that I had punished myself and gotten what I deserved. So I came back to England to try to make something of the second year of my Rhodes scholarship.

And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes and the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is dis-service, or if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal.

Forgive the length of this letter. There was much to say. There is still a lot to be said, but it can wait. Please say hello to Colonel Jones for me. Merry Christmas.

Sincerely,

Bill Clinton

27 posted on 08/22/2007 3:56:41 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: HiJinx

Fulbright, ping


28 posted on 08/22/2007 3:58:24 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Mr. Walinsky recalled that Mr. [John] Kerry flew him around the state of New York for several Vietnam Moratorium protests in October 1969.
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As September approached, Bill Clinton fails to enroll at the University Arkansas and returns to England around mid-September of 1969. It is quite clear that major changes in the draft would be forthcoming in the next few days or weeks. Clinton's appearance at Oxford was unexpected and he had to sleep on the floor in his friend's room.

In October and again in November 1969 Clinton organized and led anti-war demonstrations in London, England with the support of the British Peace Council, which was backed by the World Peace Council who was a front for the KGB.

October 30, 1969 Clinton was automatically reclassified to 1-A eligible for induction, after he failed to enroll at the University of Arkansas. Bill Clinton today, claims he volunteer for the draft but has no proof. Regardless, by this time a freeze was put on the draft until the lottery was established.

The Selective Service Lottery was held on December 1, 1969. Clinton's birthday draws number 311 in the first lottery. This high number guarantees Clinton will not be called up for the draft.

Two days later Clinton writes his infamous ROTC letter to Col. Holmes thanking him for saving him from the draft.

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29 posted on 08/22/2007 4:04:42 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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More on Tariq Ali:

While studying at the Punjab University, he organized demonstrations against Pakistan’s military dictatorship. Ali’s uncle was chief of Pakistan’s Military Intelligence. His parents sent him to England to study at Exeter College, Oxford, where he read Philosophy, Politics, and Economics. He was elected President of the Oxford Union debating club.

His public profile began to grow during the Vietnam War, when he engaged in debates against the war with such figures as Henry Kissinger and Michael Stewart. As time passed, Ali became increasingly critical of American and Israeli foreign policies, and emerged as a figurehead for critics of American foreign policy across the globe. He was also a vigorous opponent of American relations with Pakistan that tended to back military dictatorships over democracy.

Active in the New Left of the 1960s, he has long been associated with the, New Left Review. He was drawn into involvement with revolutionary socialist politics through his involvement with The Black Dwarf newspaper and joined a Trotskyist party, the International Marxist Group (IMG) in 1968. He was recruited to the leadership of the IMG and became a member of the International Executive Committee of the United Secretariat of the Fourth International.

During this period, he was an IMG candidate in Sheffield Attercliffe at the Feburary 1974 UK general election and was co-author of, Trotsky for Beginners. In 1981 the IMG dissolved when its members entered the Labor Party and was promptly proscribed. Ali then abandoned activism in the revolutionary left and supported Tony Benn in his bid to become deputy leader of the Labor Party that year.

In 1990, he published the satire Redemption, on the inability of the Trotskyists to handle the downfall of the Eastern bloc, which contains parodies of many well-known figures in the Trotskyist movement.

His book, Bush in Babylon, criticizes the WOT by President George W. Bush. The book portrays the war in Iraq as a failure. An atheist who grew up around Muslims, Ali believes that the new Iraqi government will fail.

He currently lives in London with his partner Susan Watkins, editor of the New Left Review. He has three children: Natasha, Chengiz and Aisha.

http://www.contemporarywriters.com/authors/?p=auth164#bibliography
Tariq Ali

http://www.newleftreview.org
New Left Review

The Black Dwarf:

The Black Dwarf was a political and cultural newspaper published between May 1968 and 1972 by a collective of socialists in the United Kingdom. It is often identified with Tariq Ali who edited and published this newspaper until 1970, when the editorial board split between Leninist and non-Leninist currents.

The Leninists, including Ali and other members of the International Marxist Group, went on to find the Red Mole.

The Black Dwarf published a special edition in autumn 1968 devoted entirely to the Bolivian Diaries of Che Guevara, in a translation first published by Ramparts in the United States. Included is an introduction by Fidel Castro. This edition appears to be in response to a version of the diaries being published by “some publishers in league with those who murdered Che”.


30 posted on 08/22/2007 4:23:50 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Tariq Ali Interview - Conversations with History; Institute of International Studies, UC Berkeley

The fuse often comes in ways that are unpredictable. The big fuse which stopped the Vietnam War was the inability of the United States to win that war -- the fact that it was suffering defeats on the battleground, and the body-bag factor. Sometimes when I'm arguing with hard-core fundamentalists, Islamic ones, I [ask] what threatened the Pentagon more: a few idiots throwing bombs on it, a building which can be repaired within two weeks? Well, I think that did not threaten anyone. It's just an act of stupidity, foolishness, politically. Compare that to the seventies when you had a quarter of a million GIs who had fought in the war -- veterans on their crutches, with their medals, marching outside the Pentagon and chanting that they wanted the Vietnamese to win. What affects them more? Obviously, the latter, because that shows that the core of that state apparatus is infected with ideas which challenge the empire. Ultimately, that has got to be the route.

I've been reading about this lately, that when the United States occupied the Philippines at the end of the nineteenth century, a group of intellectuals led by Mark Twain, and Henry James, and William James, and Thomas Dewy, and the cream of the American intelligentsia, organized the Anti-Imperialist League. There was a massive gathering in Chicago in 1898 or '99, and within a year and a half, it had a quarter of a million members. So, that's necessary for educational purposes.

What is necessary for what you are asking is a political party, because if these movements, whether it's the Anti-Imperialist League or anything like it, are not reflected on the level of politics, then they will be ineffective, in my opinion. What is very noticeable is that this giant antiwar movement which erupted before the war in Iraq, which is unprecedented in world history, wasn't reflected on the level of politics. The anti- Vietnam War movement was. I remember vividly the Senate Foreign Relations Committee under William Fulbright putting pressure to get the truth, and a whole wave of politicians, Democratic politicians, challenging the official view. Since 9/11, it's been the silence of the lambs. They've given up, the Democrats, you feel. And sooner or later, if they can't do it, something will have to emerge in this country which does reflect the view of a sizable section of the people. Unless that happens, I think we're doomed. We have to find ways of doing that.

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31 posted on 08/22/2007 4:31:01 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Fedora

Fascinating stuff! I couldn’t stop reading.
Thanks! (...I think. Yet another source for vivid nightmares.)


32 posted on 08/22/2007 6:09:52 PM PDT by richlk
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To: All
I just noticed that due to a formatting problem, a paragraph got snipped out from my original. The bolded paragraph below should be included after the first paragraph below:

Tracing the origin of Fulbright’s antiwar views reveals an intriguing ancestry for Clinton’s views. Fulbright had not initially opposed the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which was originally viewed as a measured, flexible alternative to full-scale escalation in Vietnam. But after a major increase in US ground deployment in summer 1965, and after Fulbright’s relationship with President Johnson became strained over Dominican Republic policy that September, he began questioning Johnson’s Vietnam policy.

At this point Fulbright began researching Asia intensely. He read a number of books about the Far East over a trip to Australia that December. He came back complaining about the history of British imperialism in China and declaring there would be hearings on Vietnam. He opened hearings the next month. He subsequently began sending his assistants James G. Lowenstein and Richard M. Moose to Southeast Asia for regular fact-finding missions that formed the basis of periodic Senate reports. (In 1969 Fulbright, Lowenstein, Moose, and Fulbright’s assistants Carl Marcy and Norvill Jones would begin advising former Pentagon employee Daniel Ellsberg on how to go about leaking the Pentagon Papers, a set of classified military documents on the Kennedy-Johnson administration’s Vietnam policy.)

33 posted on 08/22/2007 6:53:17 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Calpernia

Ping to correction in #33.

Thanks for the Ali stuff.


34 posted on 08/22/2007 6:55:09 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Thanks, I’ll get it updated on my contact lists.


35 posted on 08/22/2007 7:50:42 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Fedora; Calpernia

You are welcome.

You are both wonderful, for keeping the information alive.

Calpernia, is the thread you listed, the one that has the relative and information, on the special camp that Clinton attended in
the C. country?

I am not up to reading all 300 posts, to find it.


36 posted on 08/22/2007 8:09:16 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( God loaned us many of the Brave people, those who keep us free and safe and for balance liberals..)
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To: Fedora
I have to confess to being momentarily duped by your post number 8.

At first I was stunned by "Clinton's" admission that the KGB paid his way through law school.

Then I saw that it was a transcript of Saturday Night Live.

Still, good satire has an element of truth to it, as they say.

37 posted on 08/22/2007 8:10:49 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Calpernia

Sorry for any inconvenience! One typo always seems to creep in somehow. . .


38 posted on 08/22/2007 8:30:10 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: justiceseeker93

Someone else who read it told me they thought it was real at first, too, LOL! :-)


39 posted on 08/22/2007 8:37:27 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Thanks for the ping!


40 posted on 08/22/2007 8:39:36 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Fedora; nw_arizona_granny

Yes.

On December 12th, 1969 Bill Clinton travels to Norway where he meets with various peace organizations. He later travels on to Moscow on December 31, 1969 and stays for a week. One should remember that Moscow was still supplying North Vietnam with missiles that were used to shoot down American planes along with technicians and military advisors. Some of these advisors participated in the interrogation of American POW’s.

Colonel Eugene Holmes a highly decorated officer of the United States Army, who survived the Bataan Death March and three and a half years of imprisonment as a POW during the Second World War, wrote the following notarized letter on September 7, 1992.

Col. Holmes Notarized Statement
As Entered in Congressional Record (Page: H5551) 7/30/93

September 7, 1992. Memorandum for Record:

Subject: Bill Clinton and the University of Arkansas ROTC Program:

There have been many unanswered questions as to the circumstances surrounding Bill Clinton’s involvement with the ROTC department at the University of Arkansas. Prior to this time I have not felt the necessity for discussing the details. The reason I have not done so before is that my poor physical health (a consequence of participation in the Bataan Death March and the subsequent three and a half years interment in Japanese POW camps) has precluded me from getting into what I felt was unnecessary involvement. However, present polls show that there is the imminent danger to our country of a draft dodger becoming Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States. While it is true, as Mr. Clinton has stated, that there were many others who avoided serving their country in the Vietnam war, they are not aspiring to be the President of the United States.

The tremendous implications of the possibility of his becoming Commander-in-Chief of the United States Armed Forces compels me now to comment on the facts concerning Mr. Clinton’s evasion of the draft. This account would not have been imperative had Bill Clinton been completely honest with the American public concerning this matter. But as Mr. Clinton replied on a news conference this evening (September 5, 1992) after being asked another particular about his dodging the draft,

“Almost everyone concerned with these incidents are dead. I have no more comments to make”.
Since I may be the only person living who can give a first hand account of what actually transpired, I am obligated by my love for my country and my sense of duty to divulge what actually happened and make it a matter of record.

Bill Clinton came to see me at my home in 1969 to discuss his desire to enroll in the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas. We engaged in an extensive, approximately two (2) hour interview. At no time during this long conversation about his desire to join the program did he inform me of his involvement, participation and actually organizing protests against the United States involvement in South East Asia. He was shrewd enough to realize that had I been aware of his activities, he would not have been accepted into the ROTC program as a potential officer in the United States Army.

The next day I began to receive phone calls regarding Bill Clinton’s draft status. I was informed by the draft board that it was of interest to Senator Fullbright’s office that Bill Clinton, a Rhodes Scholar, should be admitted to the ROTC program. I received several such calls. The general message conveyed by the draft board to me was that Senator Fullbright’s office was putting pressure on them and that they needed my help. I then made the necessary arrangements to enroll Mr. Clinton into the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas.

I was not “saving” him from serving his country, as he erroneously thanked me for in his letter from England (dated December 3, 1969). I was making it possible for a Rhodes Scholar to serve in the military as an officer. In retrospect I see that Mr. Clinton had no intention of following through with his agreement to join the Army ROTC program at the University of Arkansas or to attend the University of Arkansas Law School. I had explained to him the necessity of enrolling at the University of Arkansas as a student in order to be eligible to take the ROTC program at the University. He never enrolled at the University of Arkansas, but instead enrolled at Yale after attending Oxford. I believe that he purposely deceived me, using the possibility of joining the ROTC as a ploy to work with the draft board to delay his induction and get a new draft classification.

The December 3rd letter written to me by Mr. Clinton, and subsequently taken from the files by Lt. Col. Clint Jones, my executive officer, was placed into the ROTC files so that a record would be available in case the applicant should again petition to enter the ROTC program. The information in that letter alone would have restricted Bill Clinton from ever qualifying to be an officer in the United States Military. Even more significant was his lack of veracity in purposefully defrauding the military by deceiving me, both in concealing his anti-military activities overseas and his counterfeit intentions for later military service. These actions cause me to question both his patriotism and his integrity. When I consider the caliber, the bravery, and the patriotism of the fine young soldiers whose deaths I have witnessed, and others whose funerals I have attended.... When I reflect on not only the willingness but eagerness that so many of them displayed in their earnest desire to defend and serve their country, it is untenable and incomprehensible to me that a man who was not merely unwilling to serve his country, but actually protested against its military, should ever be in the position of Commander-in-Chief of our armed Forces.

I write this declaration not only for the living and future generations, but for those who fought and died for our country. If space and time permitted I would include the names of the ones I knew and fought with, and along with them I would mention my brother Bob, who was killed during World War II and is buried in Cambridge, England (at the age of 23, about the age Bill Clinton was when he was over in England protesting the war). I have agonized over whether or not to submit this statement to the American people. But, I realize that even though I served my country by being in the military for over 32 years, and having gone through the ordeal of months of combat under the worst of conditions followed by years of imprisonment by the Japanese, it is not enough. I’m writing these comments to let everyone know that I love my country more than I do my own personal security and well-being. I will go to my grave loving these United States of America and the liberty for which so many men have fought and died. Because of my poor physical condition this will be my final statement. I will make no further comments to any of the media regarding this issue.

Eugene Holmes

Colonel, U.S.A., Ret.

September 1992

It is quite apparent to myself that Bill Clinton was a “Draft Dodger” and freely associated with known enemies of the United States.

As I have previously indicated, Bill Clinton went to the extreme and used everything available to him to avoid the draft. During those War Years, many college students used any means possible including demonstrations and the burning of their draft cards to stay out of the military. If everyone had put as much time and effort into serving their Country and doing their duty, perhaps there would have been a different outcome. Too many people concentrated on their own personal well being as individuals, instead of working for the good of our Country.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=155#155

When clinton was dodging the draft, he disappeared in Russia for up to a year.

clinton says “he does not remember the year”.

It was my thought, that he went for a week or two, in a normal trip, paid for by Russia.

He then returned to Russia and vanished, I have thought always that he was one of the people who went into the training camps to be trained in being a spy, or terrorist.

I have known of the camps and the fact that Americans went there, since the mid 1970’s.

There are many who think that is where our missing POW’s went, they were used to train the spies.

There were towns set up that looked like American towns, these were used for training the sleepers that would come to America.

Someone wrote a fiction book called “Charm School”, that is about the training camps.

But my info did not come from the book, as when I read it, it made me laugh, that I wasn’t smart enough to take the truth and turn it into fiction.

Back in the 1970’s and before the Monthly issues of the Reader’s Digest Magazine, published the truth from all over the world.

Much of the info on Russia is in those early issues.

The last few years, it is all yuppie crap, to me.

Plus up until 1970, I was around the military, so heard some
stories, that others did not.
155 posted on 09/08/2004 3:18:40 AM EDT by nw_arizona_granny


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=211#211

“Seven months ago an intelligence professional, whose credentials are
impeccable, told me something quite alarming. He told of a taped
conversion between two Czech Communist officials. They were
discussing a young American college student — Bill Clinton — who
was then visiting Prague. They mentioned that he was expected to
attend a meeting at a certain place which was reserved for the
recruitment of Communist bloc agents.”


41 posted on 08/22/2007 8:44:23 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

This is a humongous posting.


42 posted on 08/22/2007 9:45:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 20, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Calpernia

Thank you, as always, you come up with the missing pieces.

At your link, post 248 is another that I was looking for recently,
“The American POW’s that were taken to Russian prison camps”.

They were used as the foundation for the book “Charm School”,
about training Russians to live/pass as Americans.

Thanks for your work.


43 posted on 08/22/2007 9:56:10 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( God loaned us many of the Brave people, those who keep us free and safe and for balance liberals..)
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44 posted on 08/24/2007 5:46:50 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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45 posted on 08/24/2007 5:49:17 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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Bump for weekend read.


46 posted on 08/24/2007 5:51:07 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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Thanks for the heads-up!


47 posted on 08/24/2007 4:00:59 PM PDT by Fedora
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Fedora,
Outstanding piece on Clinton. I always knew the SOB was an active Communist sympathizer, but your article really exposed the extent of his involvement. His association with Fullbright and Group 68 proves that his foray into the radical Left was no accident and in turn, shaped his future political connections and actions as President. (ChinaGate among them).


48 posted on 08/25/2007 7:52:58 AM PDT by SFC MAC (SFC McElroy, US ARMY)
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Fedora,
Outstanding piece on Clinton. I always knew the SOB was an active Communist sympathizer, but your article really exposed the extent of his involvement. His association with Fullbright and Group 68 proves that his foray into the radical Left was no accident and in turn, shaped his future political connections and actions as President. (ChinaGate among them).

(I reposted this due to a reply to the wrong individual...oops!)


49 posted on 08/25/2007 8:13:46 AM PDT by SFC MAC (SFC McElroy, US ARMY)
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OUTSTANDING! (as usual) BTTT!


50 posted on 08/25/2007 8:18:06 AM PDT by PGalt
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