"No fences. In return, we make Hillary President, then Jeb."
Posted on 08/23/2007 3:58:09 AM PDT by Man50D
With only a small fraction of the border fence between the U.S. and Mexico complete, California congressman and Republican presidential candidate Duncan Hunter is warning President Bush the construction mandated by the Secure Fence Act is falling drastically behind schedule.
"Unless construction is promptly accelerated," Hunter wrote in a letter to Bush, "deadlines for the completion of fencing will not be met."
Hunter's letter was written Monday to be delivered to the White House during the Security and Prosperity Partnership third annual summit that concluded Tuesday in Montebello, Quebec.
His criticism that the Bush administration is making no significant progress constructing a fence takes added importance given Bush's refusal to deny that a hidden SPP agenda was in the works to advance North American economic and political integration with the goal of creating a European Union-style North American Union.
The Bush administration's unwillingness to build a border fence, even when mandated by a law Bush signed as recently as Oct. 26, 2006, questions the credibility of Bush's denial, especially when the border with Mexico remains wide open today, nearly six years since the Bush administration declared war on terrorism.
Hunter's letter points out the Secure Fence Act calls for completing 392 miles of fencing from Calexico, Calif., to Douglas, Ariz., by May 30, 2008.
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A friend of mine in the Army Corp of Engineers just spent a few weeks down on the Texas border recently. The fence is coming along down there, but there many areas that a fence can’t be placed. So it is a mix of a small link chain link fence, with electronic surveillance, and just electronic surveillance where they can’t build the fence. He’s not to optimistic about the fence since it is easy to cut through. So if the BP force is not beefed up to be able to respond quickly to the electronic sensors, then the fence is useless.
Hopefully as Secretary of Homeland Security Hunter can get it done.
Why?
Hunter will get my vote for president.
Either A) it would have to be built on the Mexican side(which is not going to happen) or B) it would have to be built way back off the Rio Grande to find suitable ground to build on. That last part runs into other problems like farm/ranch land and irrigation ditches being in the way.
As I remember the ASA were the Hippies of the U.S. Army. US51509754, MOS 111
Why? Because it might go through someone's living room? Because it might go up a steep embankment, or across a puddle? I call BS.
Maybe if the Army Corp of Engineers can't do this job the same way they couldn't do the job on the levys (but the private contractors could), they should be excused and real engineers brought in to build the, wait, fence? I asked for a wall. A concrete wall with razor wire at the top. And you tell me they are building a fence but can't everywhere so they are putting a small chain link fence in the difficult area. What kind of fence is being put up where they can build, a chain link fence that takes larger wire cutters to get through?
How is the legislation coming along---to deny welfare, food stamps, medical services, education, to illegals and children of illegals, and deny the children of illegals born here citizenship? That would be worth 100 miles of fence right there---the heavy wire kind! And they wouldn't even have to worry about stretching it across a puddle or up a hill either.
The bottom line: the government doesn't want to do anything about illegal invasion. They tinker around on this chain link fence to make it look like something is happening but the invasion goes on.
And our primary, NH, will be “First In The Nation”
So what you are saying is that there IS a fence and it IS coming along despite some challenges? Oh well who cares what the real situation is... it’s so much better to read about New World Order conspiracies and faux-news campaign ads in the World Nut Daily. ;-)
“a chain link fence that takes larger wire cutters to get through?”
That is what is being built. It is the small link that a person can’t climb, but wouldn’t stopped anybody from cutting through.
“Why? Because it might go through someone’s living room? Because it might go up a steep embankment, or across a puddle? I call BS.”
Have you been to the Rio Grande River? The terrain and geography varies in Texas. Some places is all just sand. you can’t stick a fence post in that and expect it to still be there a few months down. So it would have to be built back a ways which runs into eminent domain issues. Most eminent domain cases in Texas take 1-2 years to clear up per suit.
I am not defending the Government here, there are ways to get around these issues, just not with what was authorized to be built.
What my friend is saying is that it is coming along, but it sucks.
My choices are Hunter first, Mitt Romney second and Fred Thompson third...
In other words the government picked the cheapest material they could find and the most difficult places to build it?
Is that a correct assumption coming from what your friend told you?
Is your friend Duncan Hunter? ;-)
Cheap material for the terrain. I would image there are ways to work with the terrain to cover it all, I am no engineer. As far as the chain link goes, nothing like the Israeli fence that is double layered with a road built behind each layer and the second layer is higher than the first with guard post every so often.
LOL! no he is a regular Joe just making his way to retirement.
"No fences. In return, we make Hillary President, then Jeb."
Sorry, I see you’ve already been asked my question 3 or 4 times in this thread. Please don’t think I was hammering your friend, I wasn’t. I was interested in hearing your take on what he sees.
I think we need a change of government personally. This one no longer works.
Didn’t I hear on the radio that the (gulp) Border Patrol are now primarily responsible for the fencing-building?
Why do I get the feeling that they will use chicken wire?
“No fences. In return, we make Hillary President, then Jeb.”
And the Bipartisan OBL agenda moves forward.
No problem.
Wasn't Mitt the governor of Mass during that great fleecing of America; the Big Dig? The one with serious structural flaws; the one leaking like a sieve?
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Hunuter should be making SPEECHES on this subject. He needs MUCH more media coverage.
Maybe he should GO to the border Bush has left exposed and do a television presentation there.
August 21, 2007
President George W. Bush
The White House
Washington D.C. 20500
Dear Mr. President:
It is clear that we are falling behind in the construction of border security fencing as mandated by the Secure Fence Act (P.L. 109-367), which you signed into law on October 26, 2006. Unless construction is promptly accelerated, deadlines for the completion of fencing will not be met.
In addition to a completion date of May 30, 2008 for 392 miles of fencing extending from Calexico, California, to Douglas, Arizona, the Secure Fence Act mandates that 30 miles of fencing be completed in the Laredo, Texas, sector by December 31, 2008. Unfortunately, these scheduled mandates will be missed unless fence construction commences immediately in these locations.
It is my understanding that approximately $800 million is currently available for the installment of border infrastructure. Despite this funding, only 17.9 of the 854 miles of fencing called for in the Secure Fence Act have been completed as of August 10, 2007. This lack of progress is unacceptable, especially when adequate funding is available to earnestly proceed with fence construction.
My recommendation is that you immediately direct the Department of Homeland Security to execute contracts in such a way that all fencing locations identified in the Secure Fence Act are constructed concurrently. This will allow the construction of fencing to continue as necessary while ensuring specific fence construction deadlines are met.
Not only is our open and unprotected Southern land border a major exposure in the War on Terrorism, but large and increasing numbers of illegal aliens, as well as dangerous criminal populations, continue to move freely across the border. For the security of the United States and safety of our nation’s citizens, I respectfully request that border fence construction be immediately accelerated.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. Please let me know if I can be of any assistance in delivering this much needed element of security to our Southern land border.
Sincerely,
Duncan Hunter
Member of Congress
GO HUNTER!!!
“My choices are Hunter first, Mitt Romney second and Fred Thompson third...”
My choices are Hunter first, Tom Tancredo second, and Fred Thompson never.
I will NOT support or vote for another CFRer.
Gee, we haave no problem building roads through mountains and over rivers. We need some good DOT engineers down there. They will get it done.
Bush has made it clear that he has no intention of enforcing U.S. immigration laws, closing the Mexican Border, or halting further illegal immigration. For this he should be impeached.
Thank you, Congressman Duncan Hunter!
IOW this is a “for show” joke fence we have now. A fence that is easily cut or simply driven through. Not a real concrete and steel fence.
just damn.
He won't get that job. Not if a globalist is elected President.
In FL, oue entire state is sand. We have walls and fences here, must be magic.
Bull mierda. This nation built the Empire State Building in 440 days flat. Now we can't build a FENCE????????
"Border Reality 101"
This is what most of our southern border looks like: there is no government-built fence at all. There is often just whatever is left over from some forgotten cattle fence, built privately to keep U.S. cattle from wandering freely into Mexico. For hundreds of miles there is not even a broken cattle fence, there is nothing at all.
For comparison, below the broken cattle fence photo is a sample of an inexpensive but highly effective double border fence system, with a plowed strip to reveal footprints. This type of system is very cheap and can be built with great speed.
Here is what some of San Diego County has: a wall made of rusty Viet Nam-era runway mats. The corrugations are even horizontal, (to make climbing easier?)
Here is what the border looks like where the runway mat wall exists. Mexico begins on the other side of the ineffective rusty wall, which actually helps the smugglers, by hiding their movements until the occasional USBP vehicle has driven out of sight.
This is how "the game" is played. Smugglers hide on the other side of the wall with their dope and/or their illegals, out of sight of the USBP. They wait for the highly visible white BP vehicle to drive over the distant hills. Lookouts with cell phones and walkie-talkies report on the current locations of the BP units. They know with certainty that "the coast is clear" for an hour or two, and the smugglers and illegals hop the fence and run into the scrub only 50 yards away. From there, they are out of sight, and they walk 1-2 miles to holding houses. Then they wait for nightfall, and are picked up and driven in vans to LA or San Diego.
Next, we see the Duncan Hunter 15' fence, which is already being built along a few "showplace" miles of San Diego, mainly near the ports of entry, where panderng politicians can conveniently show it off to gullible reporters. As you can see, the rusty runway wall is seen at the left side, Mexico begins on the other side. In areas with the 15 foot fence, dope smugglers and illegals will have to cross the open sand ("the government road" as it is called) before starting to try to get over the 15 foot fence.
This new fence is extremely tough, and resists cutting. Attacking the fence would have to be done right out in the open, in full view of cameras. This type of fence, on the U.S. side of the government road, will give the USBP a barrier to patrol, instead of forcing them to chase illegals around 100,000 square miles of wide-open frontier land, which is a fool's errand. Everywhere this modern multiple fence system has been built, crossings by illegals drop to almost nil.
This ain't rocket science, folks. We're not talking about something like the Hoover Dam project, (which we managed to build 70 years ago). The world's last superpower, which put a man on the moon 35 years ago, can build a couple thousand miles of simple and effective fencing.
This is how it's being built in San Diego county, along the last 14 miles out to the ocean. The total cost of the entire fence from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific would be about 5 billion dollars, or what we spend medicating, hospitalizing, educating, and incarcerating illegal aliens just about every month. In other words, the fence would pay for itself immediately.
Or, we can continue our current policy.
Sand doesn't extend down to the earth's core. When you have sand you use pylons to get to bedrock or solid earth - then build. Do not even try to spin a line of crap about the corps of engineers not being aware of how to deal with sand.
They know very well.
This isn't DU neb52. We have built things and worked with flood prevention.
Semper Fidelis
I keep hearing people fu-fu Hunters presidential run. Why?
Heck, he seems like the most conservative candidate out there and.........and “IS NOT” a member of the globalist organization, Council on Foreign Relations.
Duncan Hunter..........hmmmm! I don’t think either party wants him in the race.
“This isn’t DU neb52. We have built things and worked with flood prevention.”
You didn’t read all my post. I was relaying what a friend of mine was saying. He doesn’t make decisions on what is used and where and how. What he was saying is that a fence is being built and it sucks. Can they do better and build it every inch sure, but that it isn’t what is being done. So don’t complain at me or make stupid statements. If you want something better complain to your congressman. The material they are using is just a bigger normal chain link fence.
No problemo...
Considering that the fence is to be built from Calexico, CA to Douglas, AZ., as per:
“...Hunter’s letter points out the Secure Fence Act calls for completing 392 miles of fencing from Calexico, Calif., to Douglas, Ariz., by May 30, 2008...”
your concern about putting the fence “...way back off the Rio Grand...” may NOT be a problem.
“Oh well who cares what the real situation is... it’s so much better to read about New World Order conspiracies and faux-news campaign ads in the World Nut Daily?”
you have a problem with WND?
and just where do you get your “real situation” news from? NYT? LAT? CBS? NBC? ABC? or maybe the DU? ‘cause the Lefty blogs are the only ones who refer to WND as “World Nut Daily”...
and I suppose you have a problem with Ann Coulter, Chuck Norris, Dennis Prager, Walter Williams and Larry Elder? Just to name a few...
I suggest you keep your lame opinions to yourself and read my tagline before you break wind again. LMAO
We sent men to the moon 25 years ago, invented nuclear reactors, have the most advanced naval vessels in the world, etc etc etc. The list of "can't be done" projects overcome by American engineering is endless.
We can build a fence. Everything else is simple lack of will, propagated from the top by George Bush and Michael Chertoff.
Simple as that.
I’ve notice a few people here have a problem with WND. I don’t understand the hostility towards that site. Why is that? Must be liberals in disguise or something like that.
“Must be liberals” and RINO’s!
Yeah, that too.
It’s just so weird how they react to that site.
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