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Who Is Allah ? (Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God ?)
The American Thinker ^ | 08/23/2007 | Soeren Kern

Posted on 08/23/2007 9:58:47 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society, but they won't be laughing for very long. The de-Christianization of Europe in the name of "tolerance" is rapidly driving the spiritually shiftless continent into the arms of Islam. And now, amidst the postmodern theological confusion that defines contemporary Europe, even Catholic clergy are jumping on the Islamomania bandwagon.

The latest post-Christian theological spectacle comes to us from the Netherlands (of Ayaan Hirsi Ali fame), where the Roman Catholic Bishop of Breda, Tiny Muskens, says he wants Christians to start calling God "Allah" because he believes such a gesture would promote "rapprochement between Christianity and Islam". Appearing on Dutch television, the 71-year-old cleric said:

"Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? ... What does God care what we call him?"

Inquiring minds want to know: If the bishop really thinks the names "God" and "Allah" are interchangeable, why doesn't he ask Muslims to start calling Allah "Yahweh", the biblical name for God? But he won't, because he knows they won't.

Indeed, just because Christianity, Judaism and Islam are called "monotheistic" faiths, it does not follow that Christians, Jews and Muslims pray to the same God. So for those pre-postmoderns who believe that words still mean something, a quick survey of archaeology, history and theology-accompanied by a dose of common sense-can answer the question of whether the Allah of Islam is really the God of the Bible.

What Archaeology Says about Allah

Muslims claim that in pre-Islamic times, "Allah" was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets and apostles. Indeed, the credibility of Islam as a religion stands or falls on its core claim of historical continuity with Judaism and Christianity. No wonder, then, that many Muslims get uppity when the claims of Islam are subjected to the hard science of archaeology.

Because archaeology provides irrefutable evidence that Allah, far from being the biblical God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, was actually the pre-Islamic pagan moon-god. Indeed, it is an established archaeological fact that worship of the moon-god was the main religion of the ancient Middle East.

But what about the Arabian Peninsula, where Mohammed (570-632) launched Islam? During the last two centuries, prominent archaeologists have unearthed thousands of inscriptions which prove beyond any doubt that the dominant religion of Arabia during Mohammed's day was the cult of the moon-god.

In fact, for generations before Mohammed was born, the Arabs worshipped some 360 pagan gods housed at a stone temple in Mecca called the Kabah. According to archaeologists, the chief deity of Mecca was the moon-god called al-ilah (meaning the god or the idol), which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. Pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave themselves: Mohammed's father (Abdallah), for example, had Allah as part of his name.

What History Says about Allah

Historians say that pre-Islamic Arabs worshipped the moon-god by bowing in prayer toward Mecca several times a day. They would also make a pilgrimage to Mecca, run around the Kabah seven times and throw stones at the devil. And they fasted for one month, which began with the appearance of the crescent moon and ended when the crescent moon reappeared.

These same rites form the core of Islam today: Muslims bow in prayer toward Mecca; they make a pilgrimage to Mecca and run around the Kabah seven times; and they still throw stones at the devil. They also observe the fast of Ramadan, which begins and ends with the crescent moon.

Moreover, the ancient symbol of the pagan moon-god, the crescent moon, is the official symbol of Islam; it appears on the flags of Muslim countries, as well as on the tops of mosques and minarets everywhere.

Historians say that Mohammed, who as a traveling trader was exposed to Judaism and Christianity during his visits to different parts of the Middle East, tried to mimic those monotheistic faiths by taking Allah, the main deity within the Arabian pantheon, and making it the only god. Indeed, the basic confession of Islam is not that "Allah is Great" but that "Allah is Greater". Greater than all the other idols, that is.

But Islam also draws from other pagan traditions. For example, the tale of Mohammed's night journey into heaven parallels the Zoroastrian story of Arta Viraf. Zoroastrianism also inspired the Islamic belief that dark-eyed virgins await every man who enters heaven. And the Islamic ritual of praying five times a day? That, historians say, originates with the Sabeans, Syrian pagans who practiced an ecumenical mixture of Babylonian and Hellenic religion.

No surprise, then, that some scholars refer to Islam as monotheistic heathenism.

What Theology Says about Allah

Muslims claim that Islam is Judaism and Christianity reformed. They say the Koran confirms the truth of the Torah and the Gospels. But since those texts did not jive with Mohammad's beliefs, they accuse Jews and Christians of changing and distorting the original versions. Muslims therefore assert that the Koran "clarifies" the Bible.

Even if that were the case, the Koran and the Bible present ideas about God (especially about His character) that are so diametrically opposed that any reasonable observer would conclude that each book refers to a distinct deity.

The Koran, for example, states unequivocally that Allah is an unknowable and non-personal deity. By contrast, the God of the Bible allows Himself to be known and desires fellowship with human beings on a personal basis. Indeed, the Bible says that Abraham (the same Abraham whom Muslims say they venerate) was the "friend of God."

The Koran also portrays Allah as a vindictive deity who hates sinners and desires to afflict them. But the Bible says God is love.

Moreover, the New Testament teaches that God loved humanity so much that He came to earth to pay the debt for man's sin, and that that act of grace is available for free to anyone who believes Jesus Christ is their personal Savior. But Islam denies that Christ was God or that He died in order to save humanity. Indeed, Allah does not provide any way for man to be reconciled to God.

And the theological differences go on and on, so much so that the God of the Bible cannot possibly be the Allah worshipped in Islam. Unless, of course, a Dutch bishop says so.

Allah and Eurabia

Mohammed thought the Jews and Christians of his day would receive him as a prophet. But the Bible says that any new revelation must agree with what is already established in Scripture (Isaiah 8:20). So they rejected his Allah as a false god. And Mohammed replied by setting his Islam on a permanent warpath against Judaism and Christianity that continues to this day.

The Dutch bishop and other Muslim fellow travelers think they can buy a fake peace with Islam by playing relativistic word games as a part of an "inter-faith" dialogue. But Muslims understand much better than do post-modern Europeans that ecumenical appeasement is a symptom of a Judeo-Christian civilization that is weak and dying.

The irony is that the real danger from Islam stems not so much from ordinary Muslims as it does from sickly Europeans who have subverted their Judeo-Christian heritage in search of secular hedonism. Because they live only for the moment, they are willing submit to anything, including Islam, as long as it doesn't interfere with the pursuit of pleasure today.

It has been more than 50 years since the late Christian apologist C.S. Lewis first warned about Western Civilization's disastrous lurch into post-Christianity. But even he would be surprised to see how quickly Islam is filling the religious and cultural vacuum that is post-Christian Europe.

It's not that Europeans haven't been forewarned. It's that they couldn't care less.

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Soeren Kern is Senior Analyst for Transatlantic Relations at the Madrid-based Grupo de Estudios Estratégicos / Strategic Studies Group.


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To: SirLinksalot
If you are taught to believe in something at an early age, what are the chances you will change your beliefs later? Early Religious "Indoctrination" is the key factor in any religion. The earlier you get it, the longer it will last. If you are an indoctrinated believer you are not going to be easily convinced to change your beliefs. Try to convert the other guy while he is trying to convert you, that's some task to take on. Isn't it strange that those who want to change your beliefs want you to listen to them but turn you off when you want to tell them of yours? All parties should just name God/Allah/Yahweh the "All Mighty", thereby even eliminating the question of gender.
41 posted on 08/23/2007 10:38:14 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: 2banana

Thank you! That was excellent. Very informative.


42 posted on 08/23/2007 10:41:24 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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It’s quite simple. Muslim actions prove that allah = Satan.


43 posted on 08/23/2007 10:42:12 AM PDT by svanni
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To: mrsmel

there must be several billions of gods.


44 posted on 08/23/2007 10:42:15 AM PDT by ken21
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To: evets
Allah is in the bible. His name is 'Satan'.

Check this out.

Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

0423 'alah {aw-law'}

from 0422; TWOT - 91a; n f

AV - curse 18, oath 14, execration 2, swearing 2; 36

1) oath

2) oath of covenant

3) curse

3a) from God

3b) from men

4) execration

Interesting, I think.

45 posted on 08/23/2007 10:42:19 AM PDT by agrace
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To: Nightshift; WKB; Sybeck1; pamlet; aumrl; mariabush; nmh; Ingtar; Blogger; Sweet Hour of Prayer; ...

Baptist ping...


46 posted on 08/23/2007 10:44:31 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: agrace

Huh?


47 posted on 08/23/2007 10:47:01 AM PDT by null and void (I hate to suggest something this radical, but why not let the policy follow the facts? ~ReignOfError)
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To: SirLinksalot
Allah is another name for God, HOWEVER their “god” they call “allah” is not the same Judeo Christian God. As another poster stated, I don’t worship their “allah” who is another manifestation of satan.
48 posted on 08/23/2007 10:47:14 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: agrace

The Word is the Truth! God Bless.


49 posted on 08/23/2007 10:48:46 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: null and void

I find it interesting that the Hebrew word “alah” means curse (strongs numbers info is what I posted), and that Daniel is told that because Israel sinned against God, “the curse” is being poured upon them. Because Allah certainly has been a curse to Israel.


50 posted on 08/23/2007 10:49:49 AM PDT by agrace
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To: BigFinn
Yahweh wants us to choose. Allah wants us to submit. One wants to be loved, the other feared.

I take your point, but just as piece of information I do believe that love and fear of the creator are both componants of faith in Christianity and Judaism. Also, there is an expression "Yoke of the Torah". This refers to someone who accepts the burdens of faith that are demanded of the individual (Judaism).

Islam, does dwell on fear and submission, however this is as much a cultural dimension of the Arabic world. Islam, as it is practiced in places like India and other non-Arab countries tends to be more tolerant. Yes, Islam borrows Bibical ideas, history, and language and twists it for its own but it is not true that their dogma is void of "love".

51 posted on 08/23/2007 10:50:52 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: 2banana
dogs and cats are evil and should be killed,

Not sure about that one.

From what the muslims I went to college said, Mohammad hated dogs (he claimed they were satanic) but seemed to be a cat lover.

I think either the quran or hadith has him having a woman executed for killing a cat.

If your wondering if I took anything they said seriously, not really, but they seemed pretty big on hating dogs (probably think Mike Vick is a great guy), but they all acted like cats were holy or some crap.

52 posted on 08/23/2007 10:51:23 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: agrace
Oh-oh ...

“I find it interesting that the Hebrew word “alah” means curse (strongs numbers info is what I posted), and that Daniel is told that because Israel sinned against God, “the curse” is being poured upon them. Because Allah certainly has been a curse to Israel.”

Did I misspeak? I thought Allah was another word for God? The diffrence though that their “allah” was NOT the same Judeo Christian God, Allah.

DO CORRECT ME if I am WRONG. In no way shape or form do I want to be associated with their “allah” who is nothing more than satan.

53 posted on 08/23/2007 10:52:26 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: evets

Allahu fubar!!!


54 posted on 08/23/2007 10:55:20 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: agrace
Ah. It wasn't clear to me from your original post that the Hebrew word for curse is 'alah {aw-law'}.

I see it now. Perhaps adding a line between the English verse and the definition would make it easier for other readers?

Something like:

Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

In the original Hebrew curse is 'alah {aw-law'}...

55 posted on 08/23/2007 10:57:57 AM PDT by null and void (I hate to suggest something this radical, but why not let the policy follow the facts? ~ReignOfError)
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To: 2banana

BTTT


56 posted on 08/23/2007 10:58:47 AM PDT by auboy
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To: SirLinksalot

God is God.

Allah is a pseudonym for Satan.


57 posted on 08/23/2007 10:59:07 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: BigFinn
From my Website

Mystery Babylon - Revelation 17

By looking at the Babylon description in Rev 17 and using the OT Book of Daniel as a key, someone determined from nothing other than history, that the Islamic Caliphate must be the Empire from which the Beast Empire comes.

This is that link

http://www.greatbabylon.com/page3.html

The writer is too verbose for my taste, I've restated his view in my own words.

 

Revelation 17 is the key to identifying the End - Time empire... historically thought to be a Revived Roman Empire (btw: I believed it was to be Rome until this year)

17:9 (This requires a mind that has wisdom.) The seven heads are seven mountains the woman sits on. They are also seven kings:


The heads are the leaders of Empires, the mountains are Empires and the kings are kings.

The key to figuring this out is that what is being described is not a CONCURENT collection of empires but instead SUCCESSIVE ones. Also remember that Revelation and Daniel go hand in hand.. and in Daniel all the dreams about empires were about successive empires, even if they comprised the same body.

 17:10 five have fallen; one is, and the other has not yet come, but whenever he does come, he must remain for only a brief time.

This is the key. 5 of the empires have already fallen when this was written around 100AD. What qualifies something to be an empire is that it occupied Israel. These 5, in order (with capital city), are

  1. Egypt (Memphis),
  2. Assyria (Nineveh),
  3. Babylon (Babylon),
  4. Media-Persia (Babylon),
  5. Greece (Babylon) [Greece was original seated elsewhere but Alexander eventually set his throne in Babylon then he died, the empire split into 4 , since it wasn't conquered, its still the same empire. According to Daniel, the offshoot that was significant was the Seleucids, which was the South-East region.. the one that contained Jerusalem]

Each of the empires above did two things... occupied Jerusalem and destroyed the Empire that preceded it.

So those were the 5 that were fallen.

The 1 that "is" , the 6th Empire, was referring to the Empire that was there in the first century AD.. Rome of course.

Then notice it says "the next one has not come yet"

This means there will be a 7th Empire that had not existed up to that point yet.

The mantle must pass from Rome to whatever the 7th Empire is by the same methods that worked for the past Empires. Namely, control of Jerusalem is transferred and then the old Empire is destroyed.

Rome (the 6th empire) has one thing in common with Greece (the 5th empire).. both of them had their capital city moved.

The seat of power for Rome moved from Rome to Constantinople. And it was the Eastern Roman Empire that kept control of Jerusalem.. just as with Greece breaking up into 4 groups, Rome sort of broke up into 2 (the Western empire died) however its still considered the same empire and ruled by 1 leader (not 2.. since the Western empire was no longer "Rome")

So who is the 7th Empire?

The Islamic Caliphate

The Islamic Caliphate (originally Arab but later Turk) seized control of Jerusalem, and nearly 800 years later in the 1400s, destroyed the Roman Empire with the sack of Constantinople.

Eventually the Caliphate moved its capital to that city. Where it remained until World War I.

It lost control of Jerusalem but it was not conquered but instead disintegrated from within when the Arabs revolted with the help of the West and the secular Turks ended the Caliphate by decree.


So the 5 past empires that were: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Greece, Rome

The one 1 that is: Rome

And the one that has not yet arrived: Islamic Caliphate

The 8th and Final Empire is the Beast Empire of the Anti-Christ

17:11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself an eighth king and yet is one of the seven, and is going to destruction.

So here he's saying the ID of the 8th Empire can be determined this way

- The 8th Empire comes from one of the previous 7, BUT NOT THE ONE THAT "IS". Meaning, The Beast Empire will be one of the past empires but not the Roman Empire.. because that is the one that "is"

No one ever took the throne away from the 7th Empire.. In all the previous transitions , the new empire took over from the old.

No empire took over from the 7th... that means the 8th empire is the 7th empire resurgent...

The Beast Empire is a new Islamic Caliphate risen from the ashes of the one that ended in the 1900s.

 17:12 The ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive ruling authority as kings with the beast for one hour.

Egypt had 1 horn, Assyria had 1, Babylon 1, Greece 4, Rome 1. That's 8.

Islam is broken up into Sunni and Shia sects.

Initially there will be two competing Caliphates.. referred to in the Bible as the Kings of the North and the Kings of the South. There will be a power struggle and the Mahdi/Antichrist will unite the two factions into one faction.

[Note: I am not very confident in that interpretation]

The 8th Empire will then be compromised of all seats of power of the previous 7 Empires. Memphis, Babylon, Constantantople. As well as reconquer Jerusalem.


And just like Mystery Babylon, Islam is both a political operation and a spiritual religion.

Islam is the only religion ever to occupy all of the 7 Empires at the same time.

58 posted on 08/23/2007 11:00:48 AM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: BigFinn


Free Version:

http://answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/index.htm


59 posted on 08/23/2007 11:01:14 AM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: Nachum

Any religion that throws their children “to the fire” is void of love.


60 posted on 08/23/2007 11:02:32 AM PDT by BigFinn (islam= a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories.)
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