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Missourians Won't Need Sheriff's Permit To Buy Concealable Gun
Kansas City Star ^ | Aug. 22, 2007 | KEVIN MURPHY

Posted on 08/23/2007 1:42:17 PM PDT by neverdem

Residents of Missouri soon will no longer need a sheriff’s permit to buy a concealable gun, although a permit still will be required to carry one.

Missouri lawmakers changed the gun law earlier this year with little of the controversy that often goes with gun legislation. The change will be effective Tuesday.

“It’s something we’ve advocated for some time,” said Kevin Jamison, a Gladstone lawyer who is president of the Missouri Sport Shooting Association, the National Rifle Association affiliate in the state. “This makes it easier for people to buy firearms. They don’t have to get permission first.”

The gun-permit law for purchases dates to 1921, Jamison said. The sheriff has up to seven days to review a permit application and conduct a criminal background check.

So far this year, Jackson County has issued 4,150 permits to acquire a handgun, said Sgt. Judy Farnsworth of the sheriff’s office. The permits generated about $60,000 in fees for the general fund, she said.

Under federal law, gun dealers already do background checks on people who buy handguns from them, so the sheriff’s review is redundant, Jamison said. In addition, going to the sheriff’s office to apply for a permit and then to pick it up is a nuisance, he said.

The sale or transfer of firearms between individuals also will no longer require a criminal background check.

“There will not be any safeguards on that, individual to individual,” Farnsworth said. “It’s always a concern, but there’s not a lot we can do about it.”

Jamison said most sales of handguns are by licensed dealers, so background checks still will have to be done. Though illegal, the transfer of guns without a permit among individuals is already common, he said.

Jamison said gun-rights groups will advise individuals to have a dealer do a computer background check on gun buyers they do not know. The dealers will charge a small fee but have access to criminal records not available to individuals, Jamison said.

Jamison said there was no testimony against the bill this year when the change was made part of a larger, 20-page firearms and self-defense bill.

As word of the new law got out, however, some people mistakenly believed that permits would no longer be needed to carry a weapon, said Deputy Ronda Montgomery, Jackson County Sheriff’s Department spokeswoman.

In a news release this week, Montgomery said that “it is important to note this does not affect the concealed permit law.”

A 2003 Missouri law allowed carrying of concealed weapons, with permission of the sheriff and after training, background checks and other restrictions. All of those rules still apply, Jamison said.

“Buying a handgun does not make you qualified to carry it,” he said.

ON THE WEB For the complete text of the gun purchase legislation, which combined Senate bills 41 and 62, go to www.

senate.mo.gov/07info/ pdf-bill/tat/SB62.pdf.

To reach Kevin Murphy, call (816) 234-4464 or send e-mail to kmurphy@kcstar.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 08/23/2007 1:42:18 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: Just another Joe
BANG!
2 posted on 08/23/2007 1:44:57 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem; 1stMarylandRegiment; 47carollann; A Citizen Reporter; A Cyrenian; adrian; AFLoggie; ...
Missouri ping

Low volume ping list

FReepmail me to be on, or off, this list.

Ping, ping, piinnngggg
(For those of you that know about Ricochet Rabbit, you'll get the reference.)

Missouri keeps going in the right direction. Now we just need to keep going.

3 posted on 08/23/2007 1:54:11 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: neverdem

bump


4 posted on 08/23/2007 1:59:53 PM PDT by VOA
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To: neverdem

Just an FYI...As I understand it, a “shopkeeper” may carry a concealed weapon. (in Missouri)


5 posted on 08/23/2007 2:06:31 PM PDT by demsux
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To: neverdem
Oh just great, now they do that after my son and I spent seemingly endless miserable hours at the St. Charles sheriff's office trying to get him a permit so that I could give him a pistol for his birthday. The people there were polite enough, but it was glaringly obvious that they didn't like the idea of a mere citizen owning a gun that is prone to jump out of a drawer and start killing innocent people all by itself.

Oh well, better late than never, and by a long shot. Neither of us live in MO now, but I'm glad for all gun owning Missourians anyway.

6 posted on 08/23/2007 2:06:38 PM PDT by epow ("Let the redeemed of the LORD say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;)
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To: neverdem

HOOO-DEEEE-HOOOO! AND YIPPIEEEE!!

been wait-en for this several years now.

no longer have to do my shopping out of state.


7 posted on 08/23/2007 2:11:10 PM PDT by urtax$@work (we have faced tenacity before....& The Best kind of Memorial is a BURNING Memorial)
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To: demsux
“Just an FYI...As I understand it, a “shopkeeper” may carry a concealed weapon. (in Missouri)”

I have mixed feelings about that. I don’t have any problem at all with a shopkeeper having THE RIGHT to carry a concealed weapon. I support the 2nd Amendment. I just remember from my days in retail learning that the surest way to get shot was to pull a gun to protect the money. The money can be replaced.

8 posted on 08/23/2007 2:56:47 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (RON PAUL: "It will be a little bit better now with the democrats now in charge of oversight ")
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To: neverdem

Any laws where the permission of the county sheriff is required is so prone to politics that they should be discarded. It’s already an undue burden to require citizens to have a permit to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms, but this requirement for the sheriff’s personal imprimatur is ridiculous.


9 posted on 08/23/2007 2:58:40 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: epow
Here in Jackson County (Kansas City) it took 2 trips to the dealer and 2 trips to the S.O. Go to dealer and get info on gun, go to S.O. with info and fill out app, go to S.O. to pick up permit when it's ready, go to dealer to complete sale.

The dealers closest to me didn't even like to mess with handguns because of the permit to purchase hassle.

10 posted on 08/23/2007 3:33:41 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: Just another Joe

How’s the real estate market down there?


11 posted on 08/23/2007 3:42:25 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: neverdem
A 2003 Missouri law allowed carrying of concealed weapons, with permission of the sheriff and after training, background checks and other restrictions. All of those rules still apply, Jamison said.

Don't think so. Missouri is listed as a Shall Issue State.

12 posted on 08/23/2007 4:30:59 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Artemis Webb

You have the option to pull the gun out if necessary. To be disarmed doesn’t give you that choice.


13 posted on 08/23/2007 4:33:51 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: g'nad

About time...


14 posted on 08/23/2007 4:34:26 PM PDT by osagebowman
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To: neverdem

bump for publicity


15 posted on 08/23/2007 4:37:18 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Dumpster Baby

All that? Really? I just went to sheriff’s office, Springfield. Filled out paperwork, paid $10. Came back a week later and took paper to gun dealer. Glad we don’t have to do that anymore but it was only one trip to each.


16 posted on 08/23/2007 4:41:36 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: Shooter 2.5

What’s a “shall issue” state? It’s my understanding, I can carry in a vehicle like carrying in my home (but must be in plain site {duh, if you want it stolen})but for concealed carry you must pay fees, qualify, another background check, etc.


17 posted on 08/23/2007 4:44:16 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: ozarkgirl

It’s a degree of concealed carry license. Some states are May Issue and you have to get permission of the local authorities to get a carry permit. California is a May Issue. That means if you are famous, wealthy or politically connected, you can get a conceal permit.

Other states are Shall Issue. The law is written so the vast majority can pay the fees, take the courses and the local authorities have to, by law, issue the permit.


18 posted on 08/23/2007 4:53:40 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: ozarkgirl

I count 2 trips to each place in your reply! :o)


19 posted on 08/23/2007 4:57:03 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: Artemis Webb
Take a prescription of "having the choice is better than not." Hopefully that will clear up those mixed feelings.

If that doesn't do it, get a shot of "would be criminals who fear for their lives or die learning the lesson."

If the mixed feeling remain, I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you... it's terminal.

As I tell my liberal sister to really get under her skin, in my Utopia it would be illegal not to carry a gun and not to defend yourself. There would be high casualties at the start but the criminals (and pacifists) would get pared out eventually. Sometimes she looks at me as though I just might be serious.

20 posted on 08/23/2007 5:41:56 PM PDT by HundredDollars
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To: HundredDollars
"Take a prescription of "having the choice is better than not." Hopefully that will clear up those mixed feelings."

I would just let this slide by were it not for the fact that I made it clear I don't object to a shopkeeper having a "choice", that is your word, not mine. I also made it clear that I support the 2nd Amendment. I will go a step farther and say that as a Missouri resident I'm extremely happy with Missouri gun laws and especially their further improvement under Governor Blunt.

The point I made, unequivocally, was that getting in a gun fight over $78 in your employers cash register isn't a particularly wise move. Now should you have a Constitutional right to do so? Sure.

I would think, however, that most employers would rather eat the $78 or file an insurance claim if it were a great deal more, than have to clean up their employees blood and call his wife with the bad news.

21 posted on 08/23/2007 6:02:42 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (RON PAUL: "It will be a little bit better now with the democrats now in charge of oversight ")
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To: ozarkgirl
All that? Really? I just went to sheriff’s office, Springfield. Filled out paperwork, paid $10. Came back a week later and took paper to gun dealer. Glad we don’t have to do that anymore but it was only one trip to each.

That's why I like Florida.

Normally just a three day wait, no extra "Mother May I" from local PD (three days is bad enough)

BUT if you have a CCW (and FL is SHALL issue) then buy your gun, show your CCW and leave WITH gun!

22 posted on 08/23/2007 6:18:33 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: Hazcat
Iowa issued a gun buy permit for $3 that was good for a year (years ago.) The price may have gone up but I think its still minimal and just as still pointless. The state is a “may issue” state, so the sheriff of your county has the last word. The gun carry permit was $5, good for one year.
23 posted on 08/23/2007 6:31:07 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The gun carry permit was $5, good for one year.

$5.00 for a CCW is cheap! But I don't like the yearly renewal.

In FL it costs about $115.00 the first time plus cost of a gun school if you need one (DD 214 will do) and the permit is good for 5 years. After that it's around $60.00 for a 5 year renewal.

24 posted on 08/23/2007 6:41:16 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: neverdem
LTR will get back. Will tell story of St Charles sheriff not giving out shall carry. What a A hole
25 posted on 08/23/2007 7:17:23 PM PDT by deadmenvote
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To: ozarkgirl
Several years ago Springfield, Missouri Firearms Dealers stocked very few if any handguns.

The Reason:

Sheriff Glen Hendrix said that citizens did not need handguns. He would not issue purchase permits.

At last honest citizens no longer have to ask "the person" for a permit to purchase.

26 posted on 08/24/2007 4:48:27 AM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: Shooter 2.5
All the law did was remove the need to obtain the sheriff's permission to BUY a gun. If you want to carry concealed in public, you must still obtain a license.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

27 posted on 08/24/2007 4:52:40 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: ozarkgirl
A "shall issue" state issues rtc licenses according to a set of uniform criteria established by the legislature. Any one who applies stands a chance of getting a permit issued. Its different that the "may issue" licensing system in California that is so corrupt only celebrities and politicians are issued a permit to carry.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

28 posted on 08/24/2007 4:57:44 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: metmom
How’s the real estate market down there?

Get out away from Kansas City or St. Louis proper and it's not too bad.
Even Kansas City isn't too bad but you can pick from some really good deals in the country.

29 posted on 08/24/2007 6:08:43 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: TYVets
Yup...43 years is “several years”.

At first I thought you were sadly misinformed and, since I have lived in Springfield Missouri for 46 years, I was going to tell you to go back and check your facts.

However before I crammed my foot in my mouth I went back and found Sheriff Hendrix served in the late 50’s up to 1964. The first sheriff I remember in town was Mickey Owen.

I can’t help but wonder if Hendrix didn’t make that lame brain statement after the JFK assassination. Political assassinations do tend to set the anti-gun crowd off. Although it sure would take a stretch to impugn handguns in 1963 when Oswald was working with a rifle, but I digress.

30 posted on 08/24/2007 6:53:02 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (RON PAUL: "It will be a little bit better now with the democrats now in charge of oversight ")
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To: Artemis Webb
Your original post was very clear, evidently mine wasn't. It was meant as humor about "feelings" as opposed to reasoned thought which the remainder of your post demonstrated. Sorry if it came across as an attack.

I curse the void of intent in words absent of context.

31 posted on 08/24/2007 7:59:13 AM PDT by HundredDollars
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To: HundredDollars

That is one of the great weaknesses of the internet my friend. You can’t hear voice inflection, you can’t read body language. On a place like FR where political debate is common it is easiest to just let my knee jerk in reaction than to assume the best.

My apologies.


32 posted on 08/24/2007 8:12:06 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (RON PAUL: "It will be a little bit better now with the democrats now in charge of oversight ")
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To: Dumpster Baby

Oh, yep. Two trips to the sheriffs office (duh..) but only one to the gun dealer, I waited till I had the paper to even look. Already knew what I wanted so it’s not like I had to go shopping.


33 posted on 08/24/2007 8:47:01 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: TYVets

Interesting. It’s just been a few years but the lady cop who was taking my app was very encouraging and helpful. Maybe we had a different sheriff by then. I just do not understand that mentality. A sheriff of all people should understand that cops are not always readily available and the people who are getting guns the legal way are not the people he needs to worry about.

My latest favorite sayings - picked both up here on FR of course. Wish I could site the people who said them.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

I carry a gun because cops are too heavy.


34 posted on 08/24/2007 8:53:04 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: ozarkgirl

One place where this will really help is situations like estate sales,


35 posted on 08/24/2007 9:00:21 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Yes but I find it odd. Not complaining just saying if I wanted to buy an illegal gun, I’d go to an estate sale. As they noted, there’s not a lot that can be done to prevent that. So, as usual, the people who follow the law are the ones who’ve been dinged with the cost and inconveniece, those that don’t will find a way to get around the law.


36 posted on 08/24/2007 9:12:56 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: ozarkgirl

There’s still a record of the sale if you buy a handgun at an estate sale. The problem comes when someone bids on and buys a gun, and then it turns out they didn’t have the permit, or don’t have it with them.


37 posted on 08/24/2007 9:22:11 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

I see.


38 posted on 08/24/2007 10:19:48 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: ozarkgirl

I’ve seen at least one instance where someone apparently suffered “buyer’s remorse” after getting a closer look at what they’d bought, and suddenly couldn’t come up with their paperwork.


39 posted on 08/24/2007 10:25:04 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Just another Joe

That’s the case even in NYS. Property out in the country is a lot cheaper and you can live within about 20 mins of a city.


40 posted on 08/24/2007 2:49:05 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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