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Vermont: Ending a Ban on Public Nudity
New York Times ^ | August 24, 2007 | AP

Posted on 08/24/2007 5:38:27 PM PDT by firebrand

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To: festus
Putting Heinlein and Scripture in the same comparison is somewhat troubling.

Guilt by association is somewhat troubling.

I was attacked for something the author I quoted in one instance (Heinlein) said in a totally unrelated publication and context.

I gave a counter example to show that guilt by association is a despicable practice. But you seem disagree with my example.

Please specify where you disagree. Are you saying that slavery is to be tolerated? I can't believe that! Or are you unsettled that there is something in the Bible (condoning slavery) that is not considered proper today?

Please let me know what it is that you find troubling.


(Incidentally, Heinlein abhorred slavery in all of its manifestations!)

21 posted on 08/24/2007 8:35:00 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

“I cite one quote from Heinlein’s work and you attempt to tar me with something totally unrelated? What kind of silliness is that?”

My point was to show how irrelevant the quote you used was. I simply put it in perspective. Why should I consider the moral opinions of someone, fictional or not, who engages in incest as valid?


22 posted on 08/24/2007 8:35:21 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: L98Fiero

See post #21, above.


23 posted on 08/24/2007 8:39:39 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: L98Fiero

The answer appears to be because he opposed slavery. ;-)


24 posted on 08/24/2007 8:55:10 PM PDT by festus (I'm a fRedneck and proud of it.)
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To: firebrand
"We in this country are going down a slippery slope these days," said Dora Bouboulis

And that slippery slope is called "morality".

25 posted on 08/24/2007 9:02:46 PM PDT by mtg
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To: kalee

how many people are willing to wander around Vermont in Autumn?? I assume it’s fairly chilly, no?


26 posted on 08/24/2007 9:03:07 PM PDT by Cailleach
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To: firebrand

Read my lips: No. Bad. Naked.


27 posted on 08/24/2007 9:04:13 PM PDT by RichInOC (Rich's Undeniable Truth of the Day: Most people who go around naked really, really shouldn't.)
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To: Cailleach; kalee

Opps...I left out part of my comment.

how many people are willing to wander around Vermont in Autumn IN THE NUDE?? I assume it’s fairly chilly, no?

heh heh...I forgot the nude part! heh heh...I said nude three times in one post!!!
Past my bedtime. :P


28 posted on 08/24/2007 9:47:28 PM PDT by Cailleach
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To: firebrand
"We in this country are going down a slippery slope these days,"

fortunately, council has permanently kept the ban on smoking in your own home

29 posted on 08/24/2007 9:49:45 PM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: southernnorthcarolina; firebrand
RE: * The law does not concern itself with trifles.

If only that was still true...

30 posted on 08/24/2007 9:53:06 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: wagglebee; MountainFlower

I knew this was coming. In fact, it seems as though it has already come. I knew that when the argument was posed regarding the sex industry that “it’s not hurting anyone”, this was sure to come next. They claimed with that we didn’t have to look, even though morality was being destroyed, human beings were turned into sexual objects, and the culture was being debased while the market profits boomed and the government raked in loads of tax money. I knew nudity would come next. Afterall, they again claim that “it’s not hurting anyone” because we don’t have to look. Of course, in some cases we can’t help looking. We don’t know where they may be. How do we know these people aren’t going nude because it arouses them for men, women, or even children (sic) to see them that way. The Judeo-Christian morality is being wiped away more each day. The liberals want it that way. We can stand around, and we can allow them to do this, or we can stand up for the Judeo-Christian values this country was founded on.


31 posted on 08/24/2007 11:59:57 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Duncan Hunter 2008 - Protecting and Restoring America)
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[even though morality was being destroyed]

I suspect that's why Plato referred to uncontrolled sexual urges as the “Tyranny of the Appetite”. But what did he know? Silly old Republican.

32 posted on 08/25/2007 9:10:56 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: Senator Goldwater

That’s probably why they let the ban expire next month.

Anyone walking around naked after that could rightfully be checked into the nearest mental institution.


33 posted on 08/25/2007 2:50:56 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: festus

It’s not troubling, it’s downright ludicrous.

There’s something pathetic about someone who treats science fiction like Scripture.


34 posted on 08/25/2007 2:54:28 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
It’s not troubling, it’s downright ludicrous.

There’s something pathetic about someone who treats science fiction like Scripture.


One man's theology is another man's belly laugh.

Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973


35 posted on 08/25/2007 2:58:30 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Pinkbell
They claimed with that we didn’t have to look

Typical libertarian libertine argument.

I objected to a T-shirt that promoted marijuana use, arguing that he was promoting his ideas to children as well as everyone else. He said, "If you don't like my shirt, don't ride the bus."

Last week the New York Sun suggested that a United States commissioner quit her job and open an organic-food store if she thought the Whole Foods/Wild Oats merger would raise prices.

The convolutions libertarians would have us engage in to avoid their absolutism become more and more preposterous. They are a bigger problem than the Democrats.

36 posted on 08/25/2007 5:32:43 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

I agree with you about the libertarian mindset. I disagree with it as well as the liberal mindset. I don’t know if you have ever gone to the libertarian website and read their platform. Not all of the libertarians here are quite that bad, as some here are pro-life. However, the platform concerns me, and I find that ideology as threatening as liberalism. A libertarian society would be one big moral minefield where there is little concern for others, and people are victims of themselves (which would happen to a lot of people if all drugs were made legal).


37 posted on 08/25/2007 6:00:32 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Duncan Hunter 2008 - Protecting and Restoring America)
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To: metmom

Scripture is science fiction.


38 posted on 08/25/2007 6:16:44 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: StolarStorm

No. It’s historically accurate which already has something over science fiction.

It leads one to God, who can change lives, which is also demonstrable.

Science fiction is merely written to entertain or MAYBE make a point.


39 posted on 08/25/2007 6:50:25 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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