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Russia aims to sell India 40 fighters in Sept
Reuters India ^ | Aug 24, 2007

Posted on 08/24/2007 9:20:31 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Russia aims to sell India 40 fighters in Sept -Ifax

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia hopes to sign a contract next month to sell India 40 Sukhoi fighters, the president of the Irkut warplane maker said on Friday, Interfax news agency reported.

"We hope to sign a contract in September to deliver another 40 Su-30MKI fighters to India," Irkut president Oleg Demchenko told Interfax.

The Su-30MKI is a long-haul Sukhoi fighter specially modified for the Indian air force. Indian officials had said they planned to sign a deal to buy 40 Sukhoi fighters by the end of March.

India's air force, one of the biggest in the world, also plans to buy 126 new combat aircraft to upgrade New Delhi's fleet which includes ageing Russian MiG-21s, Mig-23s and MiG-27s.

The 126-plane deal has attracted interest from European players like France's Dassault, which is promoting its Rafale fighter, and Sweden's Saab, eager to sell its JAS-39 Gripen.

Boeing's F/A-18 Super Hornet and Lockheed Martin's F-16 are also competing for the contract.

Irkut's Demchenko said the firm had built an order book of 242 Su-30 fighters, adding that those orders would keep the enterprise working at full capacity at least until 2012.

"The portfolio of orders on the Su-30 is colossal -- 242 aircraft," he said, Interfax reported. "We will have to produce 30-35 aircraft a year."

He said the main purchasers of Sukhoi aircraft were India, Algeria and Malaysia.

Irkut, one of Russia's most modern aircraft producers, makes the Sukhoi-30 range of fighter jets and the Be-200 Multipurpose Amphibious Jet. European aerospace and defence giant EADS has a 10 percent stake in Irkut.

Irkut is now part of the state controlled United Aviation Corporation, which was set up by President Vladimir Putin last year to pool Russian aircraft producers under a plan to restore the country's former strong position in aviation.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; armsbuildup; aviation; india; indianmilitary; russia; su30
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1 posted on 08/24/2007 9:20:33 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

http://en.rian.ru/business/20070824/74337963.html

India may increase foreign defense tender to 200 combat jets

19:17 | 24/ 08/ 2007

NEW DELHI, August 24 (RIA Novosti) - India could order another 80 aircraft in addition to the 126 fighters it wants for its Air Force, increasing the value of the deal to an estimated $16 billion, a Defense Ministry official said Friday.

India announced last month its largest-ever international tender for 126 multi-role combat aircraft, estimated at $9-10 billion. Experts say the additional planes will help India meet its needs for modern aircraft to replace its obsolete fleet of mostly Russian-built MiG-21 Fishbed and MiG-23 Flogger models.

Award criteria for the tender require that the aircraft must stay in service for 40 years with a full maintenance and service package. The supplier will also transfer to India the license and production technology.

Principal bidders include the Russian Mig-35, the French Dassault Rafale, the U.S. F-16 and F/A 18 Super Hornet, the Swedish Gripen, and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

Although India has designed and flown its own modern fighter, the Tejas, its adoption has been delayed for at least another four years, according to Indian officials.

Russia’s First Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov, who previously served as defense minister, said in January that Moscow had a good chance of winning the Indian fighter tender with its MiG-35 aircraft.

Russia’s MiG-35, an export version of the MiG-29M OVT (Fulcrum F) is a highly maneuverable air superiority fighter, which won high acclaim during the recent Le Bourget air show in France.

The fighter is powered by RD-33 OVT thrust vectoring engines. The RD-33 OVT engines provide superior maneuverability and enhance the fighter’s performance in close air engagements.


2 posted on 08/24/2007 9:22:02 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The bad news is that half the Russian avionics won’t work and the turbines will all need early overhaul. Russian QC still sucks.


3 posted on 08/24/2007 9:24:01 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

I assume you work with the Indian Airforce on maintaining these aircraft.


4 posted on 08/24/2007 9:25:04 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Spktyr

These Sukhois use Indian, European and Israeli avionics.


5 posted on 08/24/2007 9:27:15 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

No, but I have recent experience with Russian QC in the matter of some of their AK shotguns. These were supposed to be some of their top-line product and the QC was just abominable.


6 posted on 08/24/2007 9:28:11 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Well,I know folks who have seen the IAF’s Su-30s & they are working fine indeed.Russian QC is still behind the west,but it’s improved esp for top-end products.


7 posted on 08/24/2007 9:29:31 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Specifically, the barrel lengths were inconsistent (among other minor problems). Check out the Saiga-12 forums at forums.saiga-12.com - one of the recent shipments received in the US was very strange.


8 posted on 08/24/2007 9:29:42 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I should also mention that I recently looked through a shipment of Russian night vision gear - and about half of them didn’t even power up.


9 posted on 08/24/2007 9:30:36 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
This is not the first time an airplane from the former Soviet Union was built specifically to an Indian Air Force specification. The Antonov An-32 transport (from what is now the Ukraine) was a special version of the An-26 transport with higher-powered engines and extra-large propellers, which was designed for the hot and high operations the Indian AF needed for tactical transport operations in the Himalayan foothills.
10 posted on 08/24/2007 9:33:55 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket should check out the truth in disclosure clause
11 posted on 08/24/2007 9:39:29 PM PDT by racnpartsales4u ("His sex organs took the heaviest blow," an unidentified nurse told the newspaper.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
This is a good choice by India.

They'll NEVER have to face the best of the western aircraft...and these Russian airframes are durable and reliable.

Why spend the extra bucks? The potential adversaries are Chinese and Pak air forces...

The Indians will be upgrading the avionics over time...with US and European goods...possibly even the weapons packages with their own designs.

Hell, the US would do well to buy 500 of these planes at $20mil apiece. Buy spare parts for another 500...and put in all US avionics and weapons.

Cheap at twice the price...damn fine aircraft.

12 posted on 08/24/2007 9:40:03 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner

Um.. They’re going to be facing nearly identical aircraft in much larger numbers with perhaps better avionics if they go up against the Chinese Air Force.


13 posted on 08/24/2007 9:47:12 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

The Chinese don’t have access to the kind of avionics the IAF Sukhoi MKIs use.

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/military-aviation/4278-su-30mki-vs-su-30mkk.html

Su-30 MKK - China

Su-30 MKI - India


14 posted on 08/24/2007 9:51:20 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Spktyr

What is the difference between Su 30 MKK and Su 30 MKI? Which is better?

http://www.flymig.com/forum/posts/1082932305.htm

Su-30MKI currently is in service in 2 major configurations. One uses canards and thrust vectoring and is considered more advanced then the Su-37 due to its 2 seat configuration. The other is closer to the original Su-30 but has upgraded avionics, radar etc. and will in time be upgraded to the Super Flanker variant.

The Su-30MKK is yet to be seen as a Super Flanker (however there are already 3 variants known). The first variant was Russian made and had the above mentioned avionics and radar advances. The second variant was Chinese made, with Russian produced engines (with 50% more payload capacity).

Meanwhile the third variant was manufactured for China’s Naval Air Force and there is no photograph’s available of it yet I believe so speculation is all you’ll find on this aircraft.

I think however that the first variant has been upgraded with new engines, the old engines been used perhaps in the Chinese J10 fighter.

And I assume that all Chinese Flankers will be Super Flankers in less then 10 years.


The MKI is a superior fighter. It has a better radar, better avionics and superior mauverability. Amongst the improvements are canards along with the appropriate leading-edge wingroot extension. The canards can move from +10 to -50 degrees and provid much improved control authority at high angles of attack.

New “AL-31FP” engines with 142.2 kN (14,500 kgp / 32,000 lbf) afterburning thrust each, and two-dimensional thrust vectoring. The exhausts can move 15 degrees above and below the central thrust line.

A new FBW system that makes the best use of the canards and thrust vectoring.

Russian-built weapons control systems, including a new Tikhonravov NIIP Bars (Panther) N011M multimode radar; an OLS-301 optronic sighting system; and a Sura-K helmet-mounted sight. There was really no choice but to use the Russian systems in these cases, as they were tied closely to the airframe and armament. Changing them would have been difficult and expensive, and as they seemed capable enough, there was no need to do so.

The Bars N011M radar has an electronically steered phased array antenna and a range of 150 kilometers (93 miles). In air combat, it can track 15 targets simultaneously and engage four of them at once. In surface attack, it can spot and track ground or naval targets, and guide terrain following flight. The electronically steering beam can track air and ground targets simultaneously.

A cockpit display system developed by Sextant Avionique of France, with the front cockpit featuring a wide-angle HUD and three 12.7 x 12.7 centimeter (5 x 5 inch) color flat panel displays; and a 15.2 x 15.2 (6 x 6 inch) color flat panel display and three 12.7 x 12.7 centimeter color flat panel displays in the rear cockpit. Sextant Avionique also integrated a Totem inertial navigation system / global positioning satellite receiver system.

A central processor system supplied by DRDO of India.

A countermeasures system supplied by Elta of Israel and built around the Elta EL/M-8222 jammer system. The Su-30MKI is also able to carry the Israeli Rafael Litening external targeting pod.

In comparison, the Chinese MKK varient has the following additions to the base MK design

The Su-30MKK is a two-seater multirole aircraft with inflight refueling, twelve stores attachments, and the capability of carrying the latest Russian AAMs and smart weapons, but it does not have the canards or vectored-thrust engines of the IAF Su-30MKI. The Su-30MKK has a modernized Russian-built avionics suite, including:

A Tikhonravov NIIP “N001VE” radar, an updated export version of the original N001 radar with air-to-air, air-to-ground, and navigation modes.

An OLS-30 optical sensor system and Sura-K helmet-mounted sight.

An L-150 Pastel ELINT set to provide radar warning and emitter targeting capabilities. Incidentally, one of the few distinctive recognition features of the Su-30MKK is that the tailfins have been increased in height and have flat, not angled, tips, with antennas for the Pastel set mounted in near the top rear of the tailfins.

An A-737 satellite navigation receiver, compatible with both the US GPS and Russian GLONASS satellite navigation systems, linked into a comprehensive navigation system. The Su-30MKK also carries modern radios, a datalink, and a video recorder system.

A glass cockpit, with a wide-angle HUD and two 15.8 x 21.1 centimeter (6.2 x 8.3 inch) flat panel displays for the pilot, and two similar flat-panel displays for the back-seater.
The avionics is linked together with considerable processing power using a digital databus scheme, with the aircraft’s fire-control system integrating the radar, optical sensor system, helmet-mounted sight, and IFF interrogator. The Su-30MKK also has slightly increased internal fuel tankage, as well as stronger landing gear and airframe reinforcement to handle increased takeoff weight.


15 posted on 08/24/2007 9:56:23 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: racnpartsales4u
Another S-2 that hasn't made it to the boneyard yet.


16 posted on 08/25/2007 3:05:23 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: sukhoi-30mki
A real beast of an aircraft. The Indian Air Force did themselves proud bringing their MKIs to the UK this year. I only live about 10 miles away from the base they operated from. Some images that I captured of the mighty Indian Air Force Flanker H in the UK


17 posted on 08/25/2007 3:44:13 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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Well,it’s too big for one thing!!!The Russians don’t seem too concerned about trivial things like adding composites to reduce weight of their aircraft.


18 posted on 08/25/2007 4:46:16 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Mariner

“They’ll NEVER have to face the best of the western aircraft...and these Russian airframes are durable and reliable.”

What does Pakistan fly?


19 posted on 08/25/2007 7:30:07 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (When O'Reilly comes out from under his desk, tell him to give me a call. Hunter/Thompson in 08.)
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To: Mariner

“Cheap at twice the price...damn fine aircraft.”

Build 5000 drones and arm them with advanced radar and AA missiles.


20 posted on 08/25/2007 7:31:06 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (When O'Reilly comes out from under his desk, tell him to give me a call. Hunter/Thompson in 08.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

A handful of F-16s(around 30) along with a 100 Mirage-3/5s & almost 300+ Chinese Q-5,F-6 & F-7 fighters.

A ratio which will remain the same when they get 30 more F-16s along with 200 more Chinese jets.


21 posted on 08/25/2007 7:42:45 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

So, in this deal, India doesn’t co-build?


22 posted on 08/25/2007 4:21:20 PM PDT by GBA ( God Bless America!)
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To: RayChuang88

I think we should buy the airframes for the Navy, then put our engines, flight controls and avionics in them. Better range and more performance potential than the Super Hornets.


23 posted on 08/25/2007 4:25:47 PM PDT by GBA ( God Bless America!)
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To: GBA

Yes,it does-the contract was for building around 140 SU-30MKIs in India-a few have been built already.The total is for 40 SU-30K(first batch)+10(orig. for Indonesia)+140+40(current deal).Ever since the SU-30MKI entered service in 2004,the Russians allowed India to return the SU-30K variants in exchange for newly built MKIs.


24 posted on 08/25/2007 8:16:08 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: GBA

Actually no, India is not manufacturing any parts of the aircraft. They are assembling knock down kits delivered from Russia.

Anyways, the Su-30MKK is no longer the premier aircraft for the PLAAF, it is now the J-11B, which is a locally developed variant of the Su-27 actually manufactured in China.


25 posted on 08/25/2007 9:56:35 PM PDT by cmdjing
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To: cmdjing; sukhoi-30mki

Another one of the Chinese fakes that your countrymen are famous for no doubt. We’ll see how well your reverse engineered fakes fly. Won’t be surprised if you put lead paint and call it “Stealth”...sure is stealth in a different way. Wont even be surprised if it just disintegrates and falls of the sky. Thanks China!! The IAF will definitely kick PLAAF a$$ without having to fire a missile!


26 posted on 08/28/2007 3:12:01 AM PDT by MimirsWell
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