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2 Va. counties OK immigration crackdown ["We were all thinking there would be an amnesty"...]
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Posted on 08/25/2007 2:30:54 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

2 Va. counties OK immigration crackdown

By SARAH KARUSH, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 32 minutes ago

Ines Olivia Martinez wonders if her family will be denied medical care. Even her mentally disabled 13-year-old son has been anxiously pointing out police cars amid fears of a local crackdown on illegal immigrants. Resolutions to deny a potentially wide range of public services to illegal immigrants have thrust two northern Virginia counties into the nation's immigration debate.

The measures passed in July in Prince William and Loudoun counties join a flurry of recent efforts by local governments nationwide that believe the federal government has not done enough to stop illegal immigration.

But while other jurisdictions have focused largely on landlords and employers who knowingly rent to and hire illegal immigrants, the Virginia resolutions take a more direct approach. The National Association of Counties says the two counties are the first it knows of to pass measures aimed at denying services.

They probably will not be the last. Officials in several other Virginia counties have said they plan to follow suit, and the sponsor of the Prince William resolution says he has gotten e-mails from all over the country praising his efforts.

The new approach comes as some jurisdictions back off plans to crack down on landlords and employers following a federal court ruling last month that struck down a law in Hazleton, Pa. The much-copied law would have imposed fines on landlords who rent to illegal immigrants and denied business permits to those who employ them.

The northern Virginia measures are also likely to face legal challenges. The Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund has threatened to sue Prince William County. Other groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, say they fear service restrictions will result in discrimination,

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; loudoun; princewilliamco
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just amazing how the AP writes this......
1 posted on 08/25/2007 2:30:57 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
"Ines Olivia Martinez wonders if her family will be denied medical care."

Opening sentence of opening paragraph.

Do I sense just the TINIEST smallest bit of liberal tear jerking designed to cause undecideds on the issue of illegal aliens to back off, and designed to embarrassed the Borders/Security First crowd?? Nawwww..... /sarc

Sheesh, you cant MAKE this stuff up.

That line could only be outdone by one just right next to it, you know, with the little handicapped illegal alien boy peering out of the curtains at police cars?

Next they will have a paragraph about some skinhead Minuteman going over there and stomping on their toys in the front driveway, just after poisoning their puppy.

2 posted on 08/25/2007 2:49:27 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
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To: Sub-Driver
Editor: "Now Sarah, get out there on the double and come up with something that puts a "human face" on this whole illegal alien thing, OK? I want it to National Desk by tomorrow morning, got it?"

Liberal Dupe Writer: "Oh, yes, chief. Anything you say, I'm on it."

3 posted on 08/25/2007 2:54:24 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
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To: Sub-Driver
The Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund has threatened to sue Prince William County.

on what grounds? Puerto Ricans are US citizens they cannot be injured under this law.

4 posted on 08/25/2007 2:54:29 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Of course they had the obligatory photograph of the "terrorized" undocumented family, including that fat anchor baby producer-in-training on the left:


5 posted on 08/25/2007 2:55:37 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
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To: Sub-Driver
Right. It is the same trash… rehashed.

mentally disabled 13-year-old son has been anxiously pointing out police cars amid fears

The Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund ... the American Civil Liberties Union, say they fear service restrictions will result in discrimination,

Critics say the resolutions are a racist reaction

the 41-year-old Mexico City native said of the measure. "We were all thinking there would be an amnesty"

The status of other services, such as health care for the uninsured, libraries and parks, (would be restricted)

"Everywhere people step, they have to show their documents

could diminish immigrants' trust in police and make them reluctant to cooperate as witnesses.

"Hispanic" (illegal alien) activists are planning a weeklong boycott

Not bad. It has almost all the BS boo-hoo catch-phrases. This is now a boilerplate article format that hack writers know will get their name on AP and other newswires. They all seem to want the "mentaly disabled" kid routine going first thing too.

YUCK.


6 posted on 08/25/2007 3:07:17 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Sub-Driver

Round up ALL illegals and send them all home. They are breaking the law by being here ILLEGALLY.


7 posted on 08/25/2007 3:20:09 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Sub-Driver
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8 posted on 08/25/2007 4:04:10 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I haven’t seen the latest illegal drunk driver kills (2,4,6 people) in crash blamed on the illegal being driven to drink by border security vigilantes. The immigrant was so depressed and distraught at the thought of being deported.

Give them time I suppose.


9 posted on 08/25/2007 4:11:48 AM PDT by listenhillary (millions crippled by the war on poverty....but we won't pull out)
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To: TLI

The only way this will end is a democrat in the White House. Then the media will have a blackout about the illegal alien problems just as with the homeless, business with China and a host of other things during the Clinton years.


10 posted on 08/25/2007 4:21:23 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Sub-Driver
From the article
Prince William County Police Chief Charlie T. Deane has warned that the crackdown could backfire.

The resolution in his county includes a provision instructing police to investigate the immigration status of anyone they detain if there is probable cause to believe the person is in the country illegally.

Deane said the measure could diminish immigrants' trust in police and make them reluctant to cooperate as witnesses. He also said denying recreational services could lead to a rise in the number of young people turning to crime.

Martinez said some of her friends and relatives have moved out of Prince William County because of the measure. Others are gearing up for a fight.

[emphasis added.]
Just as the longer and more you smoke, that harder it is (ceteris paribus) to quit, so also the longer you ignore some laws, the more discombobulation when you finally start to do your duty. Thus failing to provide enforcement for laws the people want sooner or later delivers an argument for ignoring the will of the people.

But even in these circumstance the emphasized sentence shows that laws and their enforcement can show some of the desired effect immediately. Let them all move to sanctuary cities, and then let's see how the warm and wonderful people of those cities feel about immigration.

11 posted on 08/25/2007 4:33:15 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Sub-Driver

It never ends. A man called in yesterday to a local talk show in Indianapolis. He was driving along and was hit by another vehicle. They stop, get out. The other car was occupied by a young latino woman. The car had Illinois plates. The man called the police to the scene.

It ended up the woman could not speak English, had no drivers license, no insurance, the car could have been stolen.

What happened? The cop let her get into her car and drive away. The US citizen had nothing but a smashed auto and will most likely have to file with his own insurance company subjecting himself to higher rates.

This stuff has to stop. Why should any US citizen abide by the laws anymore?

When I hear these people whining and worrying about losing what they think is their right to bilk US citizens, I just become ill.


12 posted on 08/25/2007 4:40:17 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Ines Olivia Martinez wonders if her family will be denied medical care.

Why isn't Carlos Slim, the richest man in the world taking care of these people?

13 posted on 08/25/2007 4:43:32 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: indylindy

What you describe has happened to me three times.

Regards


14 posted on 08/25/2007 4:52:35 AM PDT by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment..)
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To: CzarNicky

I was wondering the same thing.


15 posted on 08/25/2007 4:57:17 AM PDT by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: Moonman62
Why isn't Carlos Slim, the richest man in the world taking care of these people?

He is! He contributes to Mexican politicians who then plead with Jorge Bush for a massive amnesty program!

16 posted on 08/25/2007 5:01:06 AM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: Sub-Driver

Puerto Rican Defense League, for cryin’ out loud. They are American citizens. What do they want to be, ubercitizens?


17 posted on 08/25/2007 5:01:17 AM PDT by healy61
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To: indylindy

bttt


18 posted on 08/25/2007 5:05:37 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Moonman62
Ines Olivia Martinez wonders if her family will be denied medical care

Were they denied medical care in Mexico? Who's responsible for providing the medical care in Mexico?

How's the job situation in Mexico? Why aren't there good paying jobs available in Mexico? Who's responsible for the job situation in Mexico?

Haven't the "libs" and unions been complaining that we are "shipping" all of our jobs over seas and south of the border? If so, why does anybody feel the need to illegally cross the border to work in the US?

What's the penalty for breaking the law in Mexico? Why should Mexican citizens expect any enforcement differences from what they would get in Mexico?

Does the US Constitution apply in Mexico outside of the US Embassy?

Why should a Mexican who broke the law to get here and pays little or no taxes to support the system get any benefits from it? Why should an illegal alien be entitled to get in front of those who have gone through the process legally?

Just a few questions for the "bleeding hearts" out there...
19 posted on 08/25/2007 5:13:40 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Lucky Dog

You’d never make it as head anchor on CNN.


20 posted on 08/25/2007 5:21:42 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Mad Dawg
Martinez said some of her friends and relatives have moved out of Prince William County because of the measure.

Good! The law is working then. Deny them the reason they broke into our country in the first place, and they'll leave. Another piece of common sense that seems to escape the looney left.

21 posted on 08/25/2007 5:27:34 AM PDT by craig_eddy
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To: Lucky Dog

The nerve of these people is amazing they had no compunction with marching in California, carrying Mexican flags, and demanding rights they don’t have. Why don’t they demonstrate in Mexico. And what’s with the supreme court ruling we have to educate their kids. Idiocy!


22 posted on 08/25/2007 5:31:23 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: listenhillary
It is a stretch, but that won't stop them.

Someone will indeed write such a story. ANOTHER PREDICTION: There will also be an illegal suicide along the way somewhere, too, with a suicide letter left behind (which of course will be read out widely, far, and often) about dispondency over deportation, or lack of Amnesty. It is already dummied up, it is coming, quicker that you can say "President Boosh".

23 posted on 08/25/2007 5:33:36 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
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To: craig_eddy

As someone has already posted, I hope they all make a beeline to the sanctuary cities.


24 posted on 08/25/2007 5:33:38 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Mad Dawg
I agree with this strategy. It is going to be VERY difficult to round up 20 million people for deportation without a fight, on on the first round.

The strategy needs to be in phases.

First we must force them via mass exodus out of communities which we can take back through local measure, and cause them to stream into sanctuary cities and counties first.

After several years, those will become hellish cesspools of crime and filth and disorder. Then even the LIBS will cry Uncle, and the final step will be them getting kicked out of the United States or self deporting. I give it about a 5-7 year process, providing we have a sympathetic occupant of the White House during that time.

25 posted on 08/25/2007 5:37:42 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
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To: Sub-Driver
Ines Olivia Martinez wonders if her family will be denied medical care.

Does she have a plan to pay for it?

If so, why should there be a problem?

26 posted on 08/25/2007 5:38:40 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Lucky Dog

crickets


27 posted on 08/25/2007 5:39:07 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
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To: Sub-Driver
Mentally disabled little Johnny, whose parents are American citizens, can’t find insurance coverage that meets their budget. One reason why is because there is a huge amount of strain put on by those entering the United States illegally that effect health care for legal residents....
28 posted on 08/25/2007 5:48:30 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
First we must force them via mass exodus out of communities which we can take back through local measure, and cause them to stream into sanctuary cities and counties first. After several years, those will become hellish cesspools of crime and filth and disorder. Then even the LIBS will cry Uncle

Wish I could be sure of that logic! Maybe the libs WANT these hellish cesspools. That's where the voters are, who will tip the scales for the Dems and keep them in power. That's where the troubles are answered by gun control and "hate crime" legislation and all manner of nanny state rules that, once established, can spread to the rest of America.

29 posted on 08/25/2007 6:11:59 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: Sub-Driver

“Ines Olivia Martinez wonders if her family will be denied medical care. “.....

If you’re illegal, the answer is yes. Hope I cleared that up for her.


30 posted on 08/25/2007 6:20:01 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Thompson/Hunter 08)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Looks like this family is exceeding their carbon footprint. Send em HOME.

31 posted on 08/25/2007 6:21:12 AM PDT by jetson
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To: Sub-Driver
Ines Olivia Martinez wonders if her family will be denied medical care.

Drag your butts to Cuba where they have better health care than the US (according to Mikey), they speak Spanish, and you can get a free rice cooker.

32 posted on 08/25/2007 6:54:25 AM PDT by CPOSharky (An organization that kills those who do not believe it's dogma is NOT a religion.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I have a tear in my eye from worry that my county WON’T enact the same legislation and the illegals are coming here!


33 posted on 08/25/2007 6:55:57 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA (Never argue with an idiot. He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
After several years, those will become hellish cesspools of crime and filth and disorder.

I doubt it will take several years.

34 posted on 08/25/2007 6:58:55 AM PDT by muggs
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To: muggs

I would correct that to “within one year”.


35 posted on 08/25/2007 7:18:23 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
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To: CPOSharky

From the looks of hermana grande on the left, I would imagine they will indeed need that rice cooker in Havana!


36 posted on 08/25/2007 7:20:04 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
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To: jetson
I moved to North Carolina a few months back from Texas and discovered that illegals were stealing left and right from the 3/4 million dollar homes in the neighborhood I was working in. I decided to contact INS/homeland security for NC and talked to the head of INS for NC, after about a week of speaking to answering machines and leaving messages on a 1800#. He said that the only way they could do anything at all was if the President or a State Congressman walked into their office personally. He also said that the State of North Carolina had only 7 INS agents to arrest illegals and there was absolutely nothing they could do, as they were mainly wrapped up in paperwork and red tape.

In Texas, you call INS, they show up the next day with Paddy-wagons, helicopters, and dogs. Here on the East coast, you leave a message on a 1-800# and pray...

The cost of new homes here in NC is LITERALLY 2 to 3 times what it is in most parts of Texas, but the contractors building those homes get paid several dollars less an hour than in Texas. There is a problem here... Contractors here have to have contractor’s licenses, in TX they don’t...Here contractors have to pay extra taxes, carry unemployment insurance, and face the wrath of the State Government if they even get a little out of whack with all of their ducks in a row. In Texas, if you screw someone over on a job, they find you in a ditch. You don’t need a contractor’s license, and you don’t have to pay state taxes, unemployment insurance, or worry about being incarcerated by the State because you forgot which kind of corporation you actually own.

Texas has a need killing’ law and a concealed handgun license that anyone, being of sound mind, can use.

What can we learn from the State that’s on the border with Mexico? The media presents the border to the rest of the nation as if Texas and the other states do absolutely nothing to stop the flow of illegals into America, but that isn’t true at all. If you drove down the road within 60 miles of the border in TX, you would be paranoid from all of the cops and roadblocks. (even if you’ve done nothing wrong) The INS presence is everywhere, and they respond about as fast as calling Geico to switch you’re auto insurance.

In TX when you shoot a coyote on your property, you throw it over the fence and leave it there for the other coyotes to smell and learn to stay off your property...It works.
Why don’t we use this same practice? Why is wrapping up illegals on the East Coast such a damn problem? Hell, the way the government does things around here, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if there’s a nuke sitting right down the road from me. You people around here aught to be scared.

One last tidbit - Last year the TX INS discovered two separate tunnels leading from Nuevo Laredo under the Rio Grande into Laredo that had electric trains pulling carts down a fully lighted train track. The tunnels were several miles long and very expensive to create. I’ve worked with several illegals over the years that, when INS busts them, they sit here in America until INS sends them back, which is somewhere around two weeks. When they get back to Central America, they take a week off and see their family, and buy all new cloths (Tommy Hilfinger, Ralph Lauren, Air Jordans, etc.) at extremely reduced prices.(probably because the factories are there that make them.) They then get on a semi, spend $1000 cash, and are back in Central Texas in under 1 week. The Mexican Army is about as corrupt as most of the military leaders of Northern Pakistan, so getting here isn’t a problem.

Just imagine if you knew the right people to get here and had $50,000 to play with... What all could you bring with you?

If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always gotten...

Perhaps it’s time for a drastic change, who’s with me?

37 posted on 08/25/2007 7:23:05 AM PDT by DavemeisterP
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To: Mad Dawg

That’s what I keep hoping, that if enough areas crack down on illegal immigration, they will congregate in the sanctuary cities and let the bleeding hearts put their money where their mouths are, for real. Especially when their violent crime rates rise exponentially, and the incidents of hit and run by uninsured drunk illegal drivers.


38 posted on 08/25/2007 8:25:11 AM PDT by mrsmel (Free Ramos and Compean! Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Sub-Driver

What really chaps me is how the Wall Street Journal, the AP, the fishwraps owned by the NYT syndicate, etc. all seem unable to distinguish between bonifide immigrants who are in the US legally and illegal aliens. In their attempts to confuse those Americans who can’t think clearly, they refer to both categories as “immigrants” and to people like me who want the borders closed and illegal aliens deported as “anti-immigrant”. My grandparents were immigrants, but were LEGAL immigrants!


39 posted on 08/25/2007 8:34:11 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (uRT)
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To: listenhillary

This is my new standard post on illegal threads: We need to do something similar to the AIDS quilt that went across the country, only the squares represent the Americans killed by illegals. We need to put it all together visually for all to see the horrible impact.

This is a response from AuntB if anyone is interested.

Let’s do it. I can quilt. Who else? I’m serious. Let’s do something. We can get the advertising for it from all the immigration groups. One section (or quilt - there are thousands since 9/11) for children, one for LEO’s etc.

I have a list started here:

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/

email me if you want to join in.
thetowncrier@gmail.com


40 posted on 08/25/2007 9:07:29 AM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: Sub-Driver
Why did you excerpt this?

yahoo.com and the AP are NOT on Jim Rob's no-no list.

41 posted on 08/25/2007 9:43:33 AM PDT by upchuck (Today there are 10,000 more illegal aliens in yer country than there were yesterday. 10,000! THINK!)
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To: upchuck

habit...


42 posted on 08/25/2007 10:09:42 AM PDT by Sub-Driver (Proud member of the Republican wing of the Republican Party)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Hey, they Washington Post is doing their part to help the problem./s

Radio Host Sics Callers on Connolly Over Immigration

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/23/AR2007082302302.html?tid=informbox


43 posted on 08/25/2007 11:33:26 AM PDT by khnyny (The best minds are not in government. If they were, business would hire them away. Ronald Reagan)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

You gotta admit the kid doesn’t look like the sharpest knife in the drawer...


44 posted on 08/25/2007 11:35:24 AM PDT by djf (America welcomes immigrants! Sadly, America welcomes crimmigrants even more...)
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To: SoftballMominVA
I have a tear in my eye from worry that my county WON’T enact the same legislation and the illegals are coming here!

I've lived in Northern Kentucky for 9 years. It's only been the last two years or so that we've had a large influx of Hispanics. If we hurry to enact these laws, maybe my area won't see the degree of (easily forseeable) damage as the rest of you.

But I have no faith in that happening.

45 posted on 08/25/2007 11:44:22 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: Sub-Driver

“Ines Olivia Martinez wonders if her family will be denied medical care. Even her mentally disabled 13-year-old son has been anxiously pointing out police cars amid fears of a local crackdown on illegal immigrants”

Saul, the son of Elvira is supposed to have ADD, which could be called a mental disability..

Saul cant pay attention in English because although he has lived here for 8 years, he has never learnt English..

However Saul pays attention wonderfully in Spanish to the point where he can learn and give polished speeches demanding amnesty and US Govt freebies for illegal aliens..

The Martinez boy might have that same ADD-in-English handicap...

My immediately thought was “he does very well for a mentally disabled boy, he can identify police and understand that he and his family are breaking the US laws..” someone here already pointed that out..

If I had broken the law and was a fugitive on the lam, I would be busy hiding my butt..free health care would be the last thing on my mind..this female illegal alien is not that concerned about being deported..


46 posted on 08/25/2007 12:21:55 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: AmericanInTokyo; Travis McGee; Tennessee Nana; 3AngelaD

>> “It broke my heart,” the 41-year-old Mexico City native said of the measure. “We were all thinking there would be an amnesty” declared by the federal government.<<

I have noticed some supposedly conservative radio talk jocks (e. g. Mike McConnell) who claim that the defeat of the senate amnesty bill accomplished nothing, and that they will get amnesty anyway.

I disagree. Many “sanctuary cities” have been violating federal law on the assumption that amnesty would pass and they would be ahead in the game. Now it looks like some cities are rethinking that assumption.

Also, since the New Jersey schoolyard murders, the state AG has reversed the “don’t ask policy.” NYC repealed its 1989 sanctuary resolution.

In the House of Representatives, as amendment to the latest homeland security bill would have cut off aid to sanctuary cities but was voted down.

2 steps forward, one step back....


47 posted on 08/25/2007 12:58:24 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: ARE SOLE; indylindy
"What you describe has happened to me three times."

And me once.

48 posted on 08/25/2007 3:27:21 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: VR-21; ARE SOLE
And me once.

It hasn't happened to me ...yet. However in Indy last night, there were four murders. The poilce have yet to release the names of the victims or the perps. That tells me all I need to know. Just yesterday, an illegal was caught on the Northwest side here, raping a 5 year old girl.

So disgusting and totally irritating. When are we all going to decide we have had enough of it?

49 posted on 08/25/2007 3:33:54 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

It will be like losing weight over the long haul. We will have a few days of weight loss, then some gain, then loss, then gain. We will have some setbacks, but overall, big picuture/long term our advances will outnumber them, so that the over trend will be towards victory for the Patriot side, and defeat for the Illegal Alien invaders and their facilitators (traitors) among our midst.


50 posted on 08/25/2007 4:22:42 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
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