Posted on 08/25/2007 9:12:19 AM PDT by Reeses
How easy to say from the comfort of a computer chair.
That failing, and if the kid kept coming at them with the knife, they were left with the choice of risking serious injury or death themselves, or defending themselves.
As I said, that's a lot of ifs, but that is what appears to have happened. I will wait for more details to form a final conclusion.
And I've watched crazy people fight and hurt others.
I'd say that your sample wasn't sufficiently diverse to form a reliable judgment.
Bless your heart.
I'd say that your sample wasn't sufficiently diverse to form a reliable judgment.
OK so from now on I'll live in fear from all teenagers after all who knows what they are capable of
That's supposed to be an argument? There are only two choices? One has to choose between either your view that none of them is ever dangerous or somebody's view, certainly not mine, that all of them are dangerous all the time?
There's a lot to be said for bandwidth and for 32 bit bytes. The universe has more than "on" or "off" about it.
Good point and I agree with you. Unfortunately the officers in question disagree with us and decided to turn this teen off
I’m going to wait for the evidence before I decide who’s guilty. I know that’s unAmerican when it comes to cops, but I’m funny that way.
As a youngster decades ago, I witnesses a policeman take down a much larger and younger drunk with a broken whiskey bottle using his billie in about 5 seconds...what changed since then?
Exactly. If the kid was simply in “acute mental distress” and didn’t pose a threat to anyone, why didn’t they just call his doctor? (/sarcasm off)
Do you really believe this? I bet you believe a lot of crazy conspiracy theories too, don't you?
All this is because of lawsuits. I suppose I shouldn't hate the lawyers but hate the game. It's sad though when a 16 year old boy gets shot up by two highly trained police officers for reasons of lawsuit management.
The Police Infallibility BS is getting deep here. Short of the kid having a sword and knowing how to use it multiple deputies with night sticks and body armor could have dealt with him in a nonlethal manner. British police deal with this every day and very few people ever get shot.
Most departments won't let people carry billy clubs any more is one of them.
Also "Drunk" is one thing. Stoned and/or nuts is quite another. I've done both. I prefer handling drunks.
Body armor? Wo gets issued body armor? Were the deputies in question issued body armor? And mutatis mutandis for billy clubs: Who gets issued them? Who is allowed to use them?
If these deputies were not issued body armor and billy clubs then what are you saying? That some other deputies in some parallel universe might have handled things differently? Who can argue with that?
Layman's version: Poor Jeremiah had been flipping out and his parents had no clue.
When Jeremiah got into the front, Isaiah leapt into the back seat. Jeremiah followed and sat on his brother; he did not hold him at knife-point. According to the informed narrative of Pisani and Ripley, Jeremiah sat on Isaiah and yelled out a death threat. He did not seem to know his brother's name. Isaiah told him, "You do not want to kill me, Bud."
Oh. No death threat. None at all. That's why the poor little kid is telling Jeremiah that he doesn't want to kill him. You know how kids are.
Mark Chass began madly clicking through the phone book on his cell phone, looking for preprogrammed emergency service numbers. He dialed what he thought was the fire department, asking for manpower and medics to help him subdue Jeremiah.
No kidding: this is why you should practice dialing 911. When the adrenaline dumps people get dump and uncoordinated. They can't even dial 911. And what did Mark think the FD was going to do? Hose Jeremiah down?
Yvette began singing and chanting to Jeremiah--meditation chants that they often did together with their spiritual group--trying to bring him back to reality, to connect with him, to show him who she was. Well, there you have it. Not that I'm against spiritual exercises, but do it yourself stuff like that provides a fertile environment for people flipping out.
It also provides a fertile environment for people to summon people whose MO includes the use of deadly force and then to blame anybody but themselves and their long enabling when deadly force actually gets used.
You don't have to be arguing 'Police Infallibility' -- the sophistical overstatement of the position of defending the police by those whose default stand is that police are always wrong, to see from the account of the parents that what we had here was a ticking bomb and adults who kept on sticking their fingers in their ears and saying,"Ticking? Ticking? I hear no ticking! There's no ticking going on around here!"
Some of you really don't get how families can cluster around psychosis in shielding ways. They don't know what's going on, they love the kid, they end up in a borderline folie a deux right up until somebody ends up dead. I've seen it with a suicide, with an almost suicide -- where the families first response was to buy themselves new clothes so they would look nice for the depressed mother, and in incest cases, where the Mom ignores the daughter's complaints of vaginal soreness.
So when things are really quite bizarre, some deputies show up and the whole thing is their fault.
Some of you are playing into the pathology of the parents.
While I generally agree with you, I’ll also note that once upon a time, this would have been dealt with by judicious application of a baton. But that option is gone, since striking someone and bruising them and possibly even breaking bones, would be “police brutality”. So officers aren’t trained much with them, and in many cases don’t carry them.
So as a result of misguided anti-”police brutality” Liberalism, we now shoot the perp in this sort of situation.
See the comments on batons and baton usage, in particular the ones after your post.
From the links in post 69, they used a baton and pepper spray and it had no affect.
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