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DNC tells Florida Dems to change primary plan (or lose all of its delegates to the convention)
The Hill ^ | 8/25/07 | Sam Youngman

Posted on 08/26/2007 1:52:13 PM PDT by Jean S

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) Saturday gave the Florida Democratic Party 30 days to submit a new plan for a primary or caucus or lose all of its delegates to the nominating convention.

Adopting a resolution offered by committeeman Ralph Dawson of New York, the DNC’s rules and bylaws committee all but ignored the pleas of the Florida party and voted almost unanimously to strip the state of all its delegates unless it offers a new plan that meets DNC rules.

The state ran afoul of the committee’s new primary rules when it decided to adhere to a new state law that moved the primary to Jan. 29, in violation of the DNC rule preventing unapproved states from holding a nominating contest before Feb. 5. The rules committee officially found the delegate selection plan Florida submitted to be in noncompliance Saturday when it adopted Dawson’s resolution.

Florida party representatives argued unsuccessfully that they should be given an exemption and not be punished because they had taken “provable, positive steps” to obey the rule, but they were unsuccessful because of the actions of a Republican controlled legislature and a Republican governor.

“We’re asking for mercy, not judgment,” Florida DNC member Jon Ausman told the committee.

The rules committee, however, was unmoved by the arguments of the Florida delegation and moved promptly to not only enforce its rules but to make them as harsh as possible.

Any state that moved its primary ahead of the Feb. 5 window automatically loses half of its delegates under the new rules.

Presidential candidates that campaign in a state in violation would lose any delegates they win in that state. But committee co-chairman Jim Roosevelt said after the vote that in this case, there would be “no sanction on the campaigns since there would be no delegates at stake.”

“It’s essentially a beauty contest or a straw poll,” committee co-chairwoman Alexis Herman told reporters.

Florida Democratic Party chairwoman Karen Thurman told reporters after the vote she would take the news back to the executive and central committees of the state party.

“I think it’s going to be a difficult discussion,” Thurman said.

Everyone involved said they are optimistic a solution can be found, and Thurman stated that the 30-day reprieve was the only thing to come out of the meeting that gives her hope.

In adopting the harsh penalties, the rules committee appeared to be sending a message to other state parties and legislatures such as Michigan, that any moves ahead of the Feb. 5 window would be met with stiff penalties and little to no leniency.

The Michigan legislature and state parties have in recent days appeared poised to move its primary to Jan. 15.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2008dncconvention; dnc; florida; floridadems; primaries
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1 posted on 08/26/2007 1:52:15 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: JeanS

lawsuit incoming.


2 posted on 08/26/2007 1:54:39 PM PDT by tdewey10 (Can we please take out iran's nuclear capability before they start using it?)
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To: JeanS

Can you imagine the Vader-esque voice from the ivory towers of the Left?

“You failed us eight years ago. You will not have the chance to fail us again...”


3 posted on 08/26/2007 1:57:35 PM PDT by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: JeanS

Looks like the Dem party has learned a lesson from the Union thugs that “support” them...


4 posted on 08/26/2007 1:59:15 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: JeanS

From the party that wants every vote counted... /s


5 posted on 08/26/2007 1:59:22 PM PDT by Vermonter
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To: JeanS
DNC strips Fla. of delegates -- primary wouldn't count

DNC Strips Florida Of 2008 Delegates

6 posted on 08/26/2007 2:00:16 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: TheBattman

You had to reach a long way to come up with a statement so lacking in intelligence.


7 posted on 08/26/2007 2:01:01 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: JeanS

I get the feeling that the Democrats would love to do this in the general election as well, to “de-commission” states like Texas that always vote the wrong way.


8 posted on 08/26/2007 2:02:06 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: JeanS
Howard Dean’s a little Eichmann, but he’ll be forced off his high horse if he keeps this up.
9 posted on 08/26/2007 2:03:38 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: JeanS

Wow, they managed to disenfranchise an entire state. We were only able to disenfranchise those too criminally stupid to properly fill out a ballot.

Hanging chad anyone?


10 posted on 08/26/2007 2:04:14 PM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism now.)
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To: em2vn

So which are you - a Democrat, or a Union Thug? The reason I asked? Your questioning my “intelligence”.

Just because you fail to see the semi-humorous (I guess not to you), tongue-in-cheek stab at the Democrat party thugs, then I guess you probably shouldn’t read about 20% of the posts here on FR.

Lets see - let me explain this to you in language that MAYBE you might understand, and not be offended...:

Which political party most directly benefits from the big unions?

And what is one of the classic strong-arm tactics of the big unions? Do what we demand “or else”.

And finally - what is the DNC telling the Florida party? Do what we say “or else”...


11 posted on 08/26/2007 2:05:15 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: TheBattman; em2vn

Come one guys, lighten up. This is important news, your little spat isn’t.


12 posted on 08/26/2007 2:13:48 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: denydenydeny
They tried doing that in Florida then considered it in Ohio, stole a gubernatorial election in WA. They cannot be trusted.

I hope FL tells the DNC to pound sand. Just remember in 2000 they were crying about "democracy" and "intent of the voter" and "count ever vote" and who can ignore their rushing to the courts in St Louis (and other places) to keep the polls open for an unfair advantage?

13 posted on 08/26/2007 2:18:11 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Clinton-Obama '08. Start building your fallout shelters today!)
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To: em2vn
You had to reach a long way to come up with a statement so lacking in intelligence.

I don't think he was so far off. Didn't the unions recently attempt to get a law passed that basically eliminated the "anonymous ballot" meaning that all votes were identified and tied directly to the voter? This was a major problem due to the recorded history of union intimidation and corruption that infests union activities. Sadly, many unions have been infiltrated by the same likes that run civil rights groups and other branches of the unified socialist movement.

I think "battman" was simply insinuating that there's a history of intimidation to influence or rather "savagely curtail" any independent thinking outside of that which the DNC dictates. And I use the word "dictate" in the worst sense. All these folks need is a symbol a little harsher than the donkey and they can begin goosestepping parades and we won't be able to tell the difference from now and 1939 Berlin.

The consistency between the DNC and the unions referred to in Battman's post is simply the heavy handed techniques used to influence votes and election outcomes. I suspect that threatening to deprive the Florida Democrats of electoral representation in a Presidential election may (ah-hem) motivate them to reconsider their position.

I mean, you might be leaning towards defense of union activity. Yet that's an issue of public relations, and flaming him isn't going to help any...

At any rate, I didn't understand the contention there.

14 posted on 08/26/2007 2:19:02 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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If I was a Florida Democrat, I’d feel disenfranchised.
Of course if I was a Florida Democrat, I’d have my head up my butt, but I digress. ;-)


15 posted on 08/26/2007 2:20:02 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

This I don’t get. Florida is such a split state, why tip the balance towards the Republicans by doing this?

If I were a dem voter in Florida, I would be really pissed by this.


16 posted on 08/26/2007 2:25:10 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: JeanS

This is truly hilarious, the ‘Rat Party is already headed for a massive fissure between the Clintonistas who believe Mrs. Bill Clinton has some sort of birthright to the nomination, and the ‘ABC’ faction (Anybody But Clinton), and here we see Howard Dean basically telling Florida to G.F.T. and ‘obey or else’.

There is a reason for this, and it’s not complicated:

Howard Dean despises the Clintons. He will deny it, he will say all sorts of nice things about them, he will grin that insane grin of his and swear they are the best thing that ever happened to the Party, but don’t you believe it.

Dean hates ‘em, and his choosing to alienate Florida does not surprise me one bit.


17 posted on 08/26/2007 2:34:41 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: JeanS

They ARE serious there, aren’t they?

Democrats are ruthless when it comes to an election time, they are the real party of dogma.


18 posted on 08/26/2007 2:35:09 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: JeanS

I guess Howard Dean’s “50 state solution” does not include the Sunshine State South. Good logic: If you don’t want “stolen” just piss it away.

I love this guy!


19 posted on 08/26/2007 2:39:31 PM PDT by Natchez Hawk (What's so funny about the first, second, and fourth Amendments?)
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To: JeanS

The California Primary really starts on Jan. 7. During the first week, there will be massive early absentee voting for Hillary. That will be reported to pollsters and the news media. Hillary’s gang is creating a tsunami before Iowa or New Hamspshire.


20 posted on 08/26/2007 3:04:09 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Caipirabob

I’m not flamming anyone. I am making a point however. If it is on-going criminality that you choose to base an indictment of unions on you can easily do the same for both major political parties and business in general.
As to the issue of union interest signings replacing an N.L.R.B. sanctioned election, business has acted at least equally criminal in fighting union organization as any union has in organizing.
When union coercion is mentioned there isn’t usually a mention of business coercion of employees, such as forced working off of the clock, removal of overtime hours from time cards and sexual, verbal and physical abuse by supervisors, plus willingly and knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.
In the last instance some major American businesses have struck deals with coyotes to smuggle illegal aliens into the United States for employment in their facilities.
Let us not forget the looting of company pension plans by the buyout artists in the 80s or the recent examples of Enron, WorldCom and their big name,outside accountants.
When it comes to criminality unions are minor league compared to some of our businesses.


21 posted on 08/26/2007 3:22:32 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: JeanS

Dems and their usual Stalinist tactics. Pathetic.


22 posted on 08/26/2007 3:38:13 PM PDT by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: JeanS

This must mean Hillary somehow suffers from an early Florida primary. Maybe Hussein Obama is stronger in FL than other states


23 posted on 08/26/2007 3:40:17 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: em2vn

I’m pro-union except for gubbermint unions. They are thieves and scum who work with local Democrats to rig pay raises and bennies as best they can.


24 posted on 08/26/2007 3:42:03 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

Perfectly stated.


25 posted on 08/26/2007 3:46:00 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: dennisw

Florida should decline to place a candidate nominated by the democratic party on the ballot if Florida’s delegates are disenfranchised. Make the candidate go the write-in route.


26 posted on 08/26/2007 3:48:35 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: JeanS
“We’re asking for mercy, not judgment,” Florida DNC member Jon Ausman told the committee.

Does this statement tell all? I told a liberal friend that if the leaders of the Dems had their way, I would end up in a gulag...er...um...re-education camp. He was reluctant to acknowledge such an assertion. I also told him that when I got to the camp, he would be there before me. This story illustrates exactly what I was talkng about.

27 posted on 08/26/2007 4:00:49 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Politics: Poli a Latin word meaning many and tics meaning bloodsucking creatures. - Robin Williams)
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To: em2vn
When it comes to criminality unions are minor league compared to some of our businesses.

Very good point here and your whole post was right on. What pathetic union bashers we have here. Unions in the private sector have never been weaker yet the libertarian princes of Free Republic rail against them like they've been on automatic for the last 30 years. And yes, public sector unions are rotten thieves who work hand in glove with Democrats. The Democrat national convention and various state conventions are always heavily stacked with teacher's unions slugs. I got the low down from my dad (who I love and get along with), he is a retired teacher and has manned the teacher's union Democrat phone banks on election day

28 posted on 08/26/2007 4:09:30 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

All Fl delegates should vote for Rudy.This would wake up the dnc.


29 posted on 08/26/2007 4:40:08 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: JeanS; Perdogg

I bet Drudge still lurks here.

Ten bucks says this is the lead story on his show tonight at 10PM ET.

What would Drudge do without the FR breaking news sidebar?

Drudge and I were discussing Hall & Oates’ best song ever recorded (a song called “August Day” - was never really a “hit,” so to speak) over AOL instant messenger way back in August 2003 and when I mentioned FR he replied something to the effect of “Pffht, I haven’t been there in years.”

Somehow I highly doubt that. I mean, he did link to FR for at least 3-4 years on his site, for crying out loud! :O) He’s a good guy, though, even if he posts a lot of gossipy stuff.

Which... well, ... kind of makes Perdogg the Matt Drudge of FR!


30 posted on 08/26/2007 4:56:32 PM PDT by jdm
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To: JeanS
Florida party representatives argued unsuccessfully that they should be given an exemption and not be punished because they had taken “provable, positive steps” to obey the rule, but they were unsuccessful because of the actions of a Republican controlled legislature and a Republican governor.

Hehehehehehehe....!!!!!!!!

31 posted on 08/26/2007 4:58:21 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
unsuccessful because of the actions of a Republican controlled legislature and a Republican governor.

Oh yes, you will be mine...There is one reason, and one reason only that our senator is named Nelson.

32 posted on 08/26/2007 5:18:08 PM PDT by Dutchgirl (800-882-2005, 1 then 1 to get direct to your Sr. Senator, 2, then 1 to get your Jr. Senator!))
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To: JeanS
Howard Dean, Vermonts #1 Village Idiot is at it again.

To the DNC:

ALL YOUR MODERATE FLORIDA VOTERS ARE BELONG TO US!

33 posted on 08/26/2007 5:21:34 PM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: vetsvette
Howard Dean’s a little Eichmann, but he’ll be forced off his high horse if he keeps this up.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The Demorat Party has an ongoing battle between its left wing ( Dean/Michael Moore et. al.)and the Joe Leiberman moderates. If the left wins, they can kiss the 2008 election GOODBYE!

Go Howard GO!

34 posted on 08/26/2007 5:27:00 PM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: Candor7
“If the left wins, they can kiss the 2008 election GOODBYE!”

That’s the way it should unfold, but I don’t have the confidence in the broad American electorate that you seem to have. Remember that the majority actually voted for that mental case Algore.

35 posted on 08/26/2007 5:31:32 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Candor7

more votes for the repubs.


36 posted on 08/26/2007 5:34:58 PM PDT by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!)
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To: vetsvette
I don’t have the confidence in the broad American electorate that you seem to have.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I don't have confidence in the broad American electorate, but I do believe that we are in a cycle of history which has a strong parallel to that of 1935 to 1940.

As Americans begin to reralize how they have been had by the MSN on the issues of national security and illegal aliens, the Demo left will finthat it is not the Republican party that has beaten them, but the flow of history itself.

Am I right? Dunno. But I have studied with one of the best professors on the topic of fascism and its rise, as well as the reaction of the West to it. So my conclusions are based on an analysis I have been quietly conducting for myself over the last 2 years.

I am not guessing about it, but who knows, maybe the fascist Islamics will just disappear before Nov. of 2008, and all our illegal aliens will just disappear or become model citizens by then?

37 posted on 08/26/2007 5:51:18 PM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: JeanS

But, doesn’t every vote count, so count every vote???


38 posted on 08/26/2007 6:19:39 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Vermonter

“From the party that wants every vote counted... /s”

Yea, how ironic - in the state that “disenfranchised” them. I’m sure the Republicans will remind voters of the Irony.


39 posted on 08/26/2007 6:20:42 PM PDT by elfman2 (An army of amateurs doing the media's job.)
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To: JeanS

Ah, somebody’s colors are showing; rats don’t really believe in democracy anyway.


40 posted on 08/26/2007 6:29:37 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: mkjessup

If Edwards manages to win Iowa, and Florida loses it’s delegates....wouldn’t that likely boost him into the presidental nomination?

It does seem that the DNC is heavily handicapping Hillary. Which I don’t mind at all...but this race will be extremely interesting. It’s hard to guess what will come of this.


41 posted on 08/26/2007 6:50:33 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: newzjunkey
We in Florida have already sent Howard Dean a message.

The DNC does not run Florida. The Republican congress here passes the bills and the democrats and their little machinations can jump off of a bridge for all that we give a damn.

In other words, go play your little games, but don't expect us to care.

Its not like there are many dems in office here.

42 posted on 08/26/2007 7:00:11 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: em2vn
When it comes to criminality unions are minor league compared to some of our businesses.

I’ve read a lot of bullsh*t here at times, but your posts rank right up there with the biggest of the steaming loads.

Unions control most inner city voting machines and deliver them with clockwork regularity, right to the point of precincts reporting 100 democrat, and have done so for a century.

Businesses control nothing of the sort because they are not here to promote a socialist state in America, they are here to do business. - Take a walk.

43 posted on 08/26/2007 7:04:38 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Vermonter

yeah, over and over and over and over...then do the dead ones and the criminal population.


44 posted on 08/26/2007 7:08:05 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: bill1952

If you are correct please explain the two terms that President Reagan served and the election and re-election of Geo.W.Bush.
I agree there is a stink but it is in your reasoning not the unions that represent less than ten per cent of the American work force.
You would be better served to place the blame for lost elections where the blame should lie, at the feed of disconnected, Belt Way Republicans who forgot who put them in office.


45 posted on 08/26/2007 7:24:20 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: Vermonter

Florida Democrats WILL NOT be allowed to interfere with Hillary’s!! ascendency...

Too many Democrat Apparatchiks are depending on the Campaign skim for Mansion Payments and Private Jet fuel!

If Folks on the left had anything resembling a conscience, they’d realize how gullible, and how easily played they have been...


46 posted on 08/26/2007 8:02:14 PM PDT by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: mkjessup

Remember the “Count Every Vote!!” nonsense from the 2000 Democrat Coup attempt?

Well, Dean has told Florida, “You Don’t NEED no Stinkin’ VOTE!!” if it interferes with the Master Plan of the Washington Democrat Establishment.

They have laid this plan CAREFULLY, for YEARS, spending MILLIONS to move the early primaries to easily controlled Democrat Machine states.

They did this to give Hillary!! easy early victories, and building an “inevitability” toward the nomination, preventing her from having to campaign “Left”, and exposing her TRUE beliefs to the Sheeple...


47 posted on 08/26/2007 8:17:32 PM PDT by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: vetsvette

“I don’t have the confidence in the broad American electorate.”

90% of the Media donates to Democrats....
The New York Times Editorial Board calls ITSELF, “the Gay Mafia”...

The Voter Fraud will be utterly BREATHTAKING in 2008, and the amount of leftist lies and propoganda utterly astounding. We minimalize all of this at our own risk. (And that of our CHILDREN)

If the Democrats can get by with disenfranchising THIER OWN folks who won’t comply, Imagine what the Hillary MAchine intends to do to US, or anyone that dares stand against them?


48 posted on 08/26/2007 8:28:38 PM PDT by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: JeanS

Good plan to get your polidiot in office .....kick yer voter base in the jaw “before” the election........LOL !!


49 posted on 08/26/2007 8:33:17 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: JeanS

Here is the Hillary California playbook. Massive early absentee voting in Calif. on Jan 7-14 will overwhelm Iowa and then New Hampshire. http://www.snapdrive.net/files/484319/hillary_playbook_in_california.pdf


50 posted on 08/26/2007 10:43:24 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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