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Feinstein to call for abolishing Electoral College
YubaNet.com ^ | 8/25/07 | Feinstein office

Posted on 08/26/2007 3:06:50 PM PDT by melt

U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today announced that she will introduce a resolution to abolish the Electoral College and provide for the direct popular vote of the President. Senator Feinstein's announcement comes against the backdrop of a bid in California to qualify a ballot initiative that would skew the outcome of Presidential elections.

"This proposed California initiative is very dangerous – it is an attempt to tinker with state law in order to influence the outcome of national Presidential elections," Senator Feinstein said.

"There is no question that our system of electing a President is outmoded, but this initiative is not the way to do it. I believe that the Electoral College must be abolished, and that the President be elected through direct popular election."

"Under the current system, it is possible for a Presidential candidate to lose the popular vote, but to be elected by the Electoral College. This has happened four times in the nation's history, most recently in 2000."

"And the current system enables a handful of states to become battleground states, and disenfranchises tens of millions of American voters in the most important election in the nation. By amending the Constitution to abolish the Electoral College, and replacing it with a system in which the winner is the candidate with the most votes nationwide, we will ensure that the method of electing the President and Vice President is fair and uniform."

Currently, California gives all of its 55 electoral votes to the candidate winning the popular vote statewide. This method is used by almost all the states. Under the initiative drive being circulated in California, the state would give Presidential candidates one electoral vote for every Congressional district that they win, plus two electoral votes for whichever candidate gets the most votes in the state.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: biddy; braindead; cheating; congress; constitution; electionpresident; elections; electoralcollege; feinstein; moron; ninny; power; rats
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She's got to trash the Constitution as soon as possible--- because it's just so unfair to Democrats in '08...

1 posted on 08/26/2007 3:06:54 PM PDT by melt
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To: melt

Evil idea.

Just ask the Phillipinos who just established an electoral college because by popular vote they ended up with a popular movie star for a President.......


2 posted on 08/26/2007 3:09:26 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: melt

I'm Dianne Feinstein, and I know better than the Founding Fathers.
3 posted on 08/26/2007 3:10:49 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: melt
Just like all Nazi she wants to destroy the Constitution so that the anti-American left-wing in California and New York can rule the world.
4 posted on 08/26/2007 3:11:03 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: melt
God help America - too many ignorant fools don’t understand the repercussions. Feinstein does - she knows its a sure fire way of making sure “promise it all” Liberals can win consistently.

All elections if this passes will be decided by welfare immigrants in LA, Chicago, New York, Houston, Boston, Miami - gee that’s about it.

5 posted on 08/26/2007 3:11:38 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: melt
"President be elected through direct popular election."

VERY bad idea.

6 posted on 08/26/2007 3:12:53 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: melt
This has happened four times in the nation's history, most recently in 2000."

Had Gore won in 2000 she would not be introducing this legislation.

7 posted on 08/26/2007 3:14:02 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: melt

8 posted on 08/26/2007 3:14:34 PM PDT by maggief
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To: melt

I’d like to call for abolishing liberal morons from holding office. It’s a clear and present danger to our republic.


9 posted on 08/26/2007 3:15:06 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: melt
Here's my attitude on DiFi's proposal and the GOP's district-by-district proposal: No. The system works. Far more often than not. Don't mess with it.
10 posted on 08/26/2007 3:15:29 PM PDT by RichInOC ("I see stupid people. They're everywhere....They don't even know that they're dumb.")
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To: BenLurkin

If there aren’t enough Senators and Congressmen to soundly defeat this move of Feinstein’s to ensure a one party system - guess which party - I don’t hold any hope for the country. It is time to clean House or else!!!


11 posted on 08/26/2007 3:15:57 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: melt
This hag ought to be in jail.

As a member of the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee, Sen. Feinstein voted for appropriations worth billions to her husband's firms

12 posted on 08/26/2007 3:16:13 PM PDT by andyandval
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To: melt

She looks like a gangster in that pinstripe suite holding the “evil” AK clone with the ammo drum.


13 posted on 08/26/2007 3:16:54 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: melt

ask her who wins the world series, the team that wins the most games, or the team that scores the most runs. if Joe Torre, after the Yankees lose a World Series, said “well, we did score more runs overall” he’d be laughed off the face of the planet.


14 posted on 08/26/2007 3:17:33 PM PDT by isom35
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To: BunnySlippers
Had Gore won in 2000 she would not be introducing this legislation.

She might not, but I bet somebody would if they figure out that the need the blue-state city vote to overwhelm the red-state vote in order to get Hillary! elected.

-PJ

15 posted on 08/26/2007 3:18:34 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: melt

So a dozen of the most populous states and largest cities can determine the national election?

No thanks, Diane.

[Thank G_d that the Founding Fathers had better sense than this current crop of self-interest, self-promoting, self-aggrandizing politicians have.]


16 posted on 08/26/2007 3:18:50 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: melt
Our forefathers set that up in that particular way to counter the..."selective groups" of a party rather than considering all the peoples of a state. What happened with Gore was exactly WHY they set it up that way.

Remember that Hillaryt was the FIRST to ask for doing away with the College...right after Gore was defeated.

By the way...Gore lost his OWN state which would have given him the election. Pretty sad when you can't carry your own state.

Florida...You can thank Russert and his dogs for all the confusion. It was a crock.

17 posted on 08/26/2007 3:18:52 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: melt

Why is the Constitution such a problem to Democrats?


18 posted on 08/26/2007 3:18:58 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: melt
In the age of the Internet, where awareness of voting results can be magnified, a short jump of logic takes one to a point where the disenfranchised population, under Feinstein's scenario, begins to realize the scam.

It takes, I think, a good number of semi-truckloads of food per day to keep New York alive. How long does one think it will take, once the scam infuriates those in 'flyover country', to have those shipments stop?

19 posted on 08/26/2007 3:19:40 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: melt

The electoral college was enacted to ensure small populated states had pull just like large populated states.


20 posted on 08/26/2007 3:19:48 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: melt

I thought she wanted to secede after Nov. 84. Wouldn’t that make us all happy.


21 posted on 08/26/2007 3:19:50 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: melt

This is why the dems wants as many illegals as they can cram into the country to remain here. This goes hand in hand as to why the dems do not want voters to have to show ID at the voting booth. Let’s not forget that dems also want convicted felons to have their voting rights restored (most them them are minorties who always vote democrat).


22 posted on 08/26/2007 3:19:53 PM PDT by Buffettfan (3rd Battalion, 6th Marines - 1971 - 1974)
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To: melt

The voters need to abolish Feinstein in the next election.


23 posted on 08/26/2007 3:19:59 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: melt

Next she will introduce a bill to sign up all the occupants in the cemetaries along with the illegal aliens not yet in this country! Do we need to say more about what awaits us in 2008 if they win?


24 posted on 08/26/2007 3:20:49 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (I'd rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: txzman

Cities in the U.S. by Population 2005

Rank City Population
1. New York, N.Y. 8,143,197
2. Los Angeles, Calif. 3,844,829
3. Chicago, Ill. 2,842,518
4. Houston, Tex. 2,016,582
5. Philadelphia, Pa. 1,463,281
6. Phoenix, Ariz. 1,461,575
7. San Antonio, Tex. 1,256,509
8. San Diego, Calif. 1,255,540
9. Dallas, Tex. 1,213,825
10. San Jose, Calif. 912,332


25 posted on 08/26/2007 3:20:49 PM PDT by donna (If America is not a Christian nation, it will be part of the Islamic nation. Take your pick.)
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To: melt

she should not have her finger on the trigger unless she’s ready to shoot at something. don’t give untrained morons guns. even if it is for show and propaganda.


26 posted on 08/26/2007 3:22:31 PM PDT by thefactor
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To: melt

Ralph Nader should be jumping all over this one, because that would make his campaigns completely irrelevant, instead of just mostly.


27 posted on 08/26/2007 3:24:31 PM PDT by Bernard (The Fairness Doctrine should be applied to people who follow the rules to come to America legally)
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To: melt
The Founding Fathers were well aware of the chaos of a direct Presidential election would cause, hence they created the electoral college. Look at the mess direct election of US Senators has caused ...Feinstein is example one.
28 posted on 08/26/2007 3:26:02 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: melt
Abolishing the Electoral College is a very bad idea. But at least this attempt, however harebrained, has the virtue of being straightforward.

It is the back-door attempts to circumvent the Electoral College (without the inconvenience of passing a constitutional amendment to abolish it) that very much disturb me--regardless of which party might benefit in the short term by such questionable tinkering with the system.

29 posted on 08/26/2007 3:26:12 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: YOUGOTIT

If that happens the heartland may take ‘measures’ to ensure it doesn’t really effect them..!


30 posted on 08/26/2007 3:26:27 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Republicans if the don't beware ARE the new WHIGS! (all empty hairpieces..) :).)
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To: melt
Of course she wants to abolish the EC, she's from one of the most populous states.

Screw the small states, they don't really count anywauy, do they di?

31 posted on 08/26/2007 3:26:39 PM PDT by ConservativeofColor
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To: A CA Guy
The voters need to abolish Feinstein in the next election.

If only we had a county-by-county Electoral College in California! Not-so-Feinstein wants to duplicate nationally the CA situation, where two large population centers control who gets elected.

32 posted on 08/26/2007 3:28:56 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Proud2BeRight

The Constitution is a problem for Democrats, because it creates a government based on a Republic. The Democrats don’t want a Republic, they want a Democracy. Libya is a democracy. Every citizen votes on every issue and the result is chaos with a ballot box. We elect representatives to vote for us.
The Electoral College is part of the Republic style of government.
Democrats for the most part are too ignorant to understand the Electoral College concept so they choose to dislike it. Maryland, this past year, took it one step further into chaos by disenfranchising its citizens. All of Maryland’s electoral votes will go to whichever candidate receives the most electoral votes by the other states. Maryland voters no longer have the right to vote for the President of the United States. Thank the DimocRATs for this.


34 posted on 08/26/2007 3:30:24 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: Tench_Coxe
It takes, I think, a good number of semi-truckloads of food per day to keep New York alive. How long does one think it will take, once the scam infuriates those in 'flyover country', to have those shipments stop?

Sounds a bit like the final chapters of 'Atlas Shrugged', which is how this silly law would likely play out in the long term.

35 posted on 08/26/2007 3:31:26 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: Baynative

I have a feeling were headed toward another civil war, but the next one will be rural conservatives vs. urban liberals.


36 posted on 08/26/2007 3:31:59 PM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: ConservativeofColor
Screw the small states, they don't really count anywauy, do they di?

Nope. To elitists like her and Shrillary, the heartland, "flyover" country, are just the areas where somebody grows food to feed the important places like California and New York. If this by some horrible circumstance ever got passed, it would be nice to remind them, by means of witholding it, of just all that the heartland and the rest of America do contribute.
37 posted on 08/26/2007 3:32:12 PM PDT by mrsmel (Free Ramos and Compean! Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: melt

What an ignorant harpie.


38 posted on 08/26/2007 3:32:53 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: melt

She just was defeated on bringing up the Fairness Doctrine and opening up ports to the Chinese. This will go over just as well, LOL!


39 posted on 08/26/2007 3:32:58 PM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: Joe Boucher

Vermont has two Senators. California has two Senators. There are more people in Orange County California than in the entire State of Vermont.
See a trend here? Abolish the Electoral College the same day you abolish the United States Senate.


40 posted on 08/26/2007 3:33:34 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Guns don't kill people, gun free zones kill people)
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To: melt
We can't have the yahoos in flyover country choosing our pres...


41 posted on 08/26/2007 3:33:37 PM PDT by pandemoniumreigns
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To: melt

Why not just change the California law to provide for a prorata allocation of the electors?


42 posted on 08/26/2007 3:33:45 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Tench_Coxe
It takes, I think, a good number of semi-truckloads of food per day to keep New York alive. How long does one think it will take, once the scam infuriates those in 'flyover country', to have those shipments stop?

Or, let the cities get the Mexican-trucked food from Central America until it sickens them all.

-PJ

43 posted on 08/26/2007 3:34:15 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: BuffaloJack

Democrats for the most part are too ignorant to understand the Electoral College concept so they choose to dislike it.

Not to worry, ignorance is the reason this idea will go nowhere!


44 posted on 08/26/2007 3:34:33 PM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: Proud2BeRight

The Constitution utterly terrifies liberals.


45 posted on 08/26/2007 3:35:12 PM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: melt

In related news, the Electoral College has called for the abolishment of Dianne Feinstein.


46 posted on 08/26/2007 3:35:46 PM PDT by noblejones (Ben Stein for President, 2008.)
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To: ronnie raygun

” Do we need to say more about what awaits us in 2008 if they win?”

Civil war.


47 posted on 08/26/2007 3:37:01 PM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: BuffaloJack

And they’re not up in arms over this??!!


48 posted on 08/26/2007 3:38:49 PM PDT by mrsmel (Free Ramos and Compean! Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: melt

she needs to leave office and how.


49 posted on 08/26/2007 3:40:07 PM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END WELFARE.i)
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To: Brilliant
Why not just change the California law to provide for a prorata allocation of the electors?

That's the idea behind an initiative that's gotten going out here. If the iniatiative passes, it will be one elector per congressional district with the two 'extras' based on the statewide winner.

50 posted on 08/26/2007 3:42:23 PM PDT by Bob
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