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Bond Manager Says Don't Bail Out Subprime
http://www.thestreet.com/s/bond-manager-says-dont-bail-out-subprime/funds/mutualfundinvesting/103764 ^ | 8-27-07 | Brett Arends

Posted on 08/27/2007 11:02:48 AM PDT by Hydroshock

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To: Neidermeyer

Actually, I did... :)


41 posted on 08/27/2007 1:25:41 PM PDT by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: farlander
“We should not bail out *ANY*one. All it does is encourage the same, bad, irresponsible behavior. Free market will sort it out.”

Are any of the subprime brokers the same ones we bailed out in the Savings and Loan “Crisis?” The subprime people sure learned a good lesson from that bailout: take all the unreasonable risk you want. If you win you get rich and if you lose the government or the bankruptcy court will be there to help you out.

The market needs to experience the downside of risk or the risky behavior will increase. Bailouts only lead to a repeat of the same failure.

42 posted on 08/27/2007 1:30:12 PM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: Hydroshock

bump


43 posted on 08/27/2007 1:45:42 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Natchez Hawk
Why should I have to pay my student loans?

Hey, there's a thought! We'll cancel all student loans, car loans and credit card balances. We'll cancel all corporate debt. We'll cancel all government debt.

Whoops! Our fiat currency is based on government debt. We'd have to go back to gold.

44 posted on 08/27/2007 1:48:36 PM PDT by Publius (A = A)
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To: NeoCaveman
[Cut those rates.]

I doubt cutting rates would be enough to offset the drop in demand that's been caused by taking sub-prime products off of the table.

Sub-prime zero-down, nodoc, liar loans and their relatives are history.  Sub-prime products created demand which inflated prices. Sub-prime products are now GONE and the demand they created has gone with them.   The market will have to adjust to these simple economic facts.

Besides, too many criminals still have their snouts buried in the trough and feeding them with lower rates would just make the problem worse.

Want to restore confidence in the mortgage backed securities being peddled on Wall Street?

Start making some arrests and drag the thieves out of the temple.

If I were the SEC, I'd be taking a real hard look at the FICO scores used to value those mortgage backed securities.  I'd want to compare the scores returned by the reporting agencies against what was documented on the loans that got securitized.

But hey, that's just me.

 


45 posted on 08/28/2007 3:07:56 PM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: Hydroshock

Bump

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46 posted on 08/28/2007 3:09:58 PM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: VxH
So you advocate Hoover era monetary policy combined with FDR era regulatory/investigatory policy.

I guess I could buy into it if I lived on a secluded compound in the middle of nowhere and lived off the land but since I don’t your ideas frighten me.

And cutting rates isn’t about saving the subprimes it’s about containing the meltdown from the rest of the economy.

47 posted on 08/28/2007 3:26:09 PM PDT by NeoCaveman ("I mean, he's gone from Jane Fonda to Dr. Strangelove in one week." - Romney on B. Hussein Obama)
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To: NeoCaveman

[So you advocate...]

I advocate the application of Law and Order that is supposed to differentiate our Republic from an Oligarchy.

[your ideas frighten me.]

Why, have you been falsifying loan docs?

[it’s about containing the meltdown]

For those with decent (and REAL) credit scores, mortgage interest rates are already near historic lows.  So, IMHO, any increased demand created by further lowering interest rates would not be sufficient to offset the decrease in demand caused by the vaporization of the sub-prime credit supply.

Lower interest rates or not, the lending guidelines now (well, allegedly, at least) in place will not allow the financing of homes at the current, artificially created, vapor-price-values that exist in many markets.  Lenders know the shark has been jumped and prudent buyers do not wish to be eaten by it. 

The  market is going to have to adjust by lowering prices.

This isn't good news for entities that have been depending on the rollover of credit-card debt via home equity... but reality is what it is. 

A good time to simplify the appetites and re-establish those neglected family ties. 

Got Family?


48 posted on 08/28/2007 5:25:13 PM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: Hydroshock

Atteberry is right, and Gross is looking for the gov’t to help him out of a bad investment.


49 posted on 08/31/2007 12:09:56 AM PDT by Pelham (Borrow all you want, Mr Compassion will bail you out.)
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To: NVDave

“trouble is, state legislators in places like NJ and California are talking about exactly this sort of bailout.”

So is Bush.


50 posted on 08/31/2007 12:11:23 AM PDT by Pelham (Borrow all you want, Mr Compassion will bail you out.)
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To: Hydroshock
Bill Gross was 'right on' in his comments about bailing out people trapped in fraudulent mortgages. Bush's latest proposal will help on about 100,000 + home buyers with good credit. Millions are adversely impacted by mortgages designed to go bad. Millions more will be adversely impacted by mortgage servicing fraud -- recording payments as late even when they were paid timely.

Only about 100,000 will be helped. All the others will lose their houses.

Do not believe the mortgage company shills who say 'Lenders lose money on foreclosures.' Historically, lenders make tons of money on foreclosures: All the bogus late fees, surcharges, penalties and bogus attorney fees and costs assessed to home buyers. Lenders make lots of money when foreclosures are filed within the first seven years.

But this may turn out to be the first time in history where lenders will lose money. Inflated home prices are falling all across the U.S. Homes will go for 50% of less of original purchase prices. Mortgage bond holders and lenders will eat the losses. So be it. Serves them right. JMHO.

51 posted on 09/02/2007 2:05:40 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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