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Are the Themes in Thompson's Speeches New, or Are They Just New To Us?
The Campaign Spot at NRO ^ | 27 August, 2007 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 08/27/2007 3:35:52 PM PDT by SE Mom

Are the Themes in Thompson's Speeches New, or Are They Just New To Us?

The reaction to that Saturday night speech by Fred Thompson is intriguing. It sounds like there was some "buzz around the office" that Thompson and his associates were thinking of announcing something that evening, but that idea was ultimately rejected.

Jonathan Martin writes that Thompson’s address was a “a sober-verging-on-somber talk,” and summarizes:

There are three major challenges, Thompson said, and none are being given appropriate attention or sufficient commitment. National security ("our country's in danger; it's going to be that way for a long time to come"), the economy ("we are doing steady damage to our economy, that if we don't do things better it's going to result in economic disaster for future generations") and the polarization, cynicism and incompetence gripping the capital ("in order to have leadership you got to have somebody who's going to follow; our people follow, but they don't have any confidence in what's being said or who's saying it").

But is this "sober and serious" tone really anything new? Let’s check out Thompson’s first major speech of his not-quite-campaign, in Orange County, California. On the national mood, he said:

Because Americans are expressing a lot of concern these days about the direction their country is going, there is some concern that maybe we’re slipping away like all the great powers have. We’re hearing a bit of that old malaise talk we used to hear all about. Part of it is Iraq, certainly. Part of it is the economy, believe it or not. The wonderful economy and economic news you continue to hear, the greatest story never told as some people call it, yet people are talking about the threats of globalization and the disparity of income...

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fredthompson
Geraghty goes on to say:

The speeches suggest that large chunks of the negative buzz are overhyped. A lazy or unambitious man doesn't spend a lot of time talking about entitlement reform. We're seeing a theme emerge: "Get Serious." Fred Thompson's the guy who isn't going to waste anybody's time blowing sunshine up your... well, you know where. He sees big threats on the horizon, and he's sounding the alarm, like Paul Revere. No vague and soothing "audacity of hope." Nevermind complaining about "two Americas," Thompson wants to make sure no nuclear bomb goes off in either one of 'em. For all his background as a lobbyist and inside-the-beltway lawyer, Thompson seems likely to denounce business as usual - he doesn't seem above using a barnyard epithet to respond to Don Young declaring in a pork right, "it's my money! It's my money!"

1 posted on 08/27/2007 3:35:54 PM PDT by SE Mom
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To: Politicalmom; jellybean; Sturm Ruger; xsmommy; Petronski

FRED!

Be sure to read the whole piece:)


2 posted on 08/27/2007 3:37:06 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: SE Mom
A lazy or unambitious man doesn't spend a lot of time talking about entitlement reform.

If he doesent declare for the Presidency by Labor Day, you ought to take your song and dance act on the road. IMO, he'd rather get sued for misappropriated fundraiseing than get the show on the road. Why is that? All smoke and no bother; the blather of an unserious man..

3 posted on 08/27/2007 3:41:58 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: SE Mom
Nevermind complaining about "two Americas," Thompson wants to make sure no nuclear bomb goes off in either one of 'em.

VEY important!

4 posted on 08/27/2007 3:43:42 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Nonstatist

Let’s wait a few days AFTER Labor Day...then we can talk about serious..


5 posted on 08/27/2007 3:44:19 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: Nonstatist
WAAA!! WHEN IS FRED GOING TO DECLARE?

You're not going to vote for him anyway.

6 posted on 08/27/2007 3:45:05 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SuziQ

Oy Vey?

;)

THAT important?


7 posted on 08/27/2007 3:46:40 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: Nonstatist
Why Labor Day? There's no law that says he has to declare by any particular date, except for those setting up state Republican primary elections. He is a following all the rules of the FEC with regards to his 'testing the waters' commmittee, even though there are some who complain about it.

I think it all hinges on when his professional contract with NBC is finished for last season and the summer re-runs. That will clear any question about 'equal time' requirements. I believe that happens on Sept. 3rd, so Labor Day, just might work!

8 posted on 08/27/2007 3:52:13 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SE Mom
A great post. I do not see anything new in his speeches, merely that people are starting to pay attention. Fred is operating the “real” Straight Talk Express and could only have been dragged into running to address serious issues. His campaign should be quite educational about the problems we are facing. By pulling no punches, he would assume office with a mandate to take tough measures to deal with such problems.
9 posted on 08/27/2007 3:53:33 PM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: SE Mom

I can’t think of a thing that Fred Thompson said in that speech that hasn’t already been said by other candidates already. Or anything that most of us are not aware of. He just said it in a different way.


10 posted on 08/27/2007 3:54:03 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: Paperdoll
I have not heard other candidates talk about the coming fiscal crisis over entitlement spending. (Besides Paul and Tancredo)
11 posted on 08/27/2007 3:57:39 PM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: rob777

You have to understand—that post was by the same person who told us that “droves” of people are turning to her candidate. Unfortunately, she was unable to document her statement—and we know the reverse to be true.


12 posted on 08/27/2007 4:14:31 PM PDT by Clara Lou (Go, FRed, go!)
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To: Clara Lou

Meow! C.L, the cat with the longest claws!


13 posted on 08/27/2007 4:16:10 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: Paperdoll

Yeah! Fred stole his whole speech from John Cox, who, as we know is the only TRUE conservative in this race!

Fred had the nerve to mention ‘islamic terror’. John Cox was talking about that weeks ago.

Fred even stole the whole thing about how tax cuts help the economy.

Of course, Fred is just jealous of the sheer awesomeness of John Cox. Anyone who doesn’t support John Cox hates America and meets Larry Craig in bathrooms.


14 posted on 08/27/2007 4:16:20 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (John Cox 2008: Because Duncan Hunter just isn't obscure enough for me!)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

LOL! Have fun, kiddies! :)


15 posted on 08/27/2007 4:17:54 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: Clara Lou

No, you misunderstood. Droves is the name of Duncan’s other supporter.


16 posted on 08/27/2007 4:18:46 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (John Cox 2008: Because Duncan Hunter just isn't obscure enough for me!)
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To: Paperdoll

How sad for you! You find a statement of fact “catty.” You had a chance to respond with your evidence that “droves of people” are turning to Hunter. You didn’t. And the polls show him lower than ever in the polls. If stating facts is “catty,” then FR is full of cattiness—not including you, of course.


17 posted on 08/27/2007 4:19:06 PM PDT by Clara Lou (Go, FRed, go!)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Doh!


18 posted on 08/27/2007 4:19:36 PM PDT by Clara Lou (Go, FRed, go!)
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19 posted on 08/27/2007 4:27:46 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: Paperdoll
He just said it in a different way.

In a way that makes people think that maybe maybe maybe he just might try to actually DO something about it.

20 posted on 08/27/2007 4:33:08 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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To: Politicalmom
BTTT!

Run Fred Run!

http://Vets4Fred.net

http://FredForPresident.com

21 posted on 08/27/2007 4:44:39 PM PDT by W04Man (I'm Now With Fred http://Vets4Fred.net)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Right!? I watched the Iowa Straw Poll speeches at the Fair and wasn’t John Cox the guy who drew 6 people to his speech?

Man some people will go way out to try and compare.

Cox folks are about out to the edge of the Universe even compared to Paulistas. Get real.


22 posted on 08/27/2007 4:45:58 PM PDT by dusttoyou (FredHead from the git go)
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To: dusttoyou

Listen, pal, those were the only six true conservatives in Iowa!

John Cox is building momentum and people are turning to him in droves, because Fred is too lazy and sick to decide to run!

Just because you aren’t ready to accept the dizzying intellect of John Cox, doesn’t mean that the rest of the country isn’t turning his way!

I’m flipping supporters of other candidates like pancakes! You’re just slow to get with the program.


23 posted on 08/27/2007 4:58:57 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (John Cox 2008: Because Duncan Hunter just isn't obscure enough for me!)
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To: Nonstatist
"If he doesent declare for the Presidency by Labor Day, you ought to take your song and dance act on the road. IMO, he'd rather get sued for misappropriated fundraiseing than get the show on the road. Why is that? All smoke and no bother; the blather of an unserious man.."

From one of your previous posts.

"At the very least, McCain REALLY wants to be President, so he's got that much over Thompson."

Yeah, the fact he's insane speaks a lot. Hitler would have been better too since we all know he had the fire in his belly. /s

24 posted on 08/27/2007 5:01:06 PM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: SE Mom

Nothing new under the sun...to quote a genius “...if there’s an original thought out there i could use it right now .”

The thing is...it’s the sincerity and the delivery from a no bullshit * lived * man.


25 posted on 08/27/2007 5:16:50 PM PDT by kajingawd (Humans share 50.6% of their DNA with bananas...most my friends are bananas)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

To: Paperdoll
Yeah! Fred stole his whole speech from John Cox, who, as we know is the only TRUE conservative in this race!

Fred had the nerve to mention ‘islamic terror’. John Cox was talking about that weeks ago.

Fred even stole the whole thing about how tax cuts help the economy.

Of course, Fred is just jealous of the sheer awesomeness of John Cox. Anyone who doesn’t support John Cox hates America and meets Larry Craig in bathrooms.

14 posted on 08/27/2007 7:16:20 PM EDT by perfect_rovian_storm (John Cox 2008: Because Duncan Hunter just isn’t obscure enough for me!)

that’s sarcasm i hope


26 posted on 08/27/2007 5:19:05 PM PDT by kajingawd (Humans share 50.6% of their DNA with bananas...most my friends are bananas)
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To: Nonstatist

Why declare while America is still on vacation / concentrating on getting the kids back in school? Just to placate all those invested in another candidate? No, thanks.

I predict Monday the 10th, at the beginning of the first full week after Labor Day.


27 posted on 08/27/2007 5:27:04 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: SE Mom

Okay.

Thompson owes Geraghty. This assortment of statements helps piece his campaign together. Sort of a preview of coming attractions.

Seems for comparison’s sake he’s suggesting if a candidate can get a “reagan” victory or an “amnesty” public consensus that shut down Congress then the People can effectively start to take back their government again. He’s billing himself as the candidate that not only can build that consensus of approval, but will act on it.

On amnesty, could be wrong, but my take based on these statements and others that he supports a fence and employer enforcement, supports attrition, but the people here already don’t concern him in the same the next 15 or more million do because those next millions probably intend more harm then the bulk of poor that mainly crossed prior just for jobs... say this because those thoughts seem to follow talk of nukes and terrorists actively plotting in present for harm in future.

IMO, that means he’d support amnesty for anyone already here that doesn’t self deport back home once the fence and employer sanctions are functioning. Everyone won’t like that. The public as a whole would find that acceptable compromise.

I single his thoughts on amnesty out only because it’s been my sticking point about fred. Just what he thinks about the issue, and think I’m starting to get in his head here a bit.

Interesting how this plays out.

Rudy is all about 9-11 imagery.

Romney is all about saying what you want to hear and style.

McCain is an echo of compassionate conservatism.

Fred seems to want to depart typical politics and just, not to rip Mccain, just speak straight.

That could either destroy his chances, or win him the presidency. Given the disgust everyone has toward D.C. and pols right now, with some luck & hard work, could be the latter.

We’ll see. But I’ll admit these gathered statements by Geraghty appeal to me right now. I’m sick of politics, and those statements didn’t read like pol speak.


28 posted on 08/27/2007 5:38:41 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: rob777

Romney’s been talking about it in every campaign appearance I’ve seen covered on C-Span.


29 posted on 08/27/2007 5:50:08 PM PDT by WestSylvanian
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To: kajingawd

Oh, sure, it MUST be sarcasm, just because you can’t recognize the political juggernaut that IS John Cox.

By the way, I have some great land in Florida that you may be interested in purchasing. Waterfront property! :)


30 posted on 08/27/2007 5:55:44 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (John Cox 2008: Because Duncan Hunter just isn't obscure enough for me!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
You're not going to vote for him anyway.

I may not have a choice. I'm not going to sit on the sidelines if the alternative is Herr Hitlery.

32 posted on 08/27/2007 6:30:14 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

You magnificent b#stard!!


33 posted on 08/27/2007 9:31:25 PM PDT by Uriah_lost ("I don't apologize for the United States of America," -Fred D Thompson)
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To: Nonstatist

I think we are all in that same boat, a lot of people are going to be facing a different candidate in the general election than they are in the primary. We hope our guy makes it, you for yours and me for Fred.

The sticking point for me in that, is that whoever gets the nomination and hopefully is elected needs a mandate. The more people who vote for him, the more of a mandate he will have. Whether it is your candidate or mine, they need a mandate to govern effectively. I would hope that freepers could refrain from trashing other candidates for that reason, and it will make it easier for everyone to pull together in the general election. I don’t mean it is wrong to say I prefer this one over the others, or I agree more with this candidate over others. But I mean outright trashing. Already a reporter got on FR and got a couple of the trash type comments about Fred. And wrote them into an article. That stuff does not help. Some people started trashing Fred, and other candidates, then if you reply in kind, it is hard to stop. I hope the negativity will fizzle out.

Although I have gotten really hot about some things said about Fred. It is hard not to. But I really try to refrain if I can rein it in.

I know several other candidates have gotten their share of trashing. Some freepers are famous for their trash talk. It makes it harder to stop.


34 posted on 08/27/2007 9:31:41 PM PDT by hoosierpearl (To God be the glory.)
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To: WestSylvanian
“Romney’s been talking about it in every campaign appearance I’ve seen covered on C-Span.”




That is good to hear, could you post the text of some of those speeches?

35 posted on 08/28/2007 4:39:37 AM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: Clara Lou

Paperdoll is a seminar writer. Prone to the glittering generality and an enthusiastic disdain for facts that don’t fit her template. Gotta be a “lurker”.


36 posted on 08/28/2007 4:41:55 AM PDT by dooltotheend (uir)
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To: dooltotheend

I noticed.
I just can’t understand why she didn’t post on this thread the address to send donations to her candidate’s campaign. After all, there are just droves....


37 posted on 08/28/2007 5:17:40 AM PDT by Clara Lou (Go, FRed, go!)
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To: hoosierpearl
I mean outright trashing. ... That stuff does not help

I disagree. The earlier the bad stuff comes out, the better. The untruths will be discredited and put to bed and the other stuff will have to be rationalized away. You dont want to get caught with your pants down 2 weeks before the election (like Bush with that DWI thing. It almost derailed him)

38 posted on 08/28/2007 6:54:00 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Nonstatist

To a limited extent, you misunderstand. The DWI charge about Bush was true. Yes, you don’t want to get caught like that. Bush made a big mistake there.

Trash talk to me means things that are not true. False charges. It is always nice to have time to refute though. To that extent it is nice if it isn’t at the last minute.

Second point, does our side have to generate that kind of stuff? Bear in mind that I’m talking about things that are not true.


39 posted on 08/28/2007 7:51:35 AM PDT by hoosierpearl (To God be the glory.)
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To: hoosierpearl
Trash talk to me means things that are not true

Depends on what you mean by "true". One man's "truth" is another mans "distortion" and "out of context slander".

For example. is Guliani a "baby killer" , or did he just accede to policies put in place by his predecessor and popular with the public?

I say, throw it out there and sees if it sticks. All this nonsense about treating each other with kid gloves is not going to apply in a general election against the ruthless mendacity of Gruppenführer Hitlery.

40 posted on 08/28/2007 8:17:57 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
i have waterfront property and it hasn't been inundated. I live in NB ...retard. Btw, i don't see anything funny about having thousands of people die from that hurricane...they were, afterall...your people. Rather pathetic to be laughing at people's misfortunes, nevermind your fellow countrymen.
41 posted on 09/07/2007 5:10:13 PM PDT by kajingawd (Humans share 50.6% of their DNA with bananas...most my friends are bananas)
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