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BMW CEO Fuming Over Chinese Knock-Off Of Popular X5 SUV. (Pics)
CEOSMACK ^ | 8/28/07

Posted on 08/28/2007 11:27:43 AM PDT by LibWhacker

BMW CEO Norbert Reithofer is not happy. In a case which proves that nothing is immune to the sleight of hand of Chinese manufacturers and their ability and willingness to clone any product on earth, BMW has been forced to threaten legal action over a cheap knock-off version of their popular X5 SUV.

The Chinese-made SUV which ironically enough is called CEO is almost identical in appearance to BMW’s X5…especially from the rear.

“We have already taken steps against the marketing of the CEO (SUV) in Europe. Should this car be presented at the IAA, we will look into taking further legal steps,” a BMW spokesman said.

Forbes reports that Karl Schloessl, the owner of independent importer China Automobile Deutschland said he knew nothing of the legal action, but said it might well help sales of the model.Schloessl said he is planning to sell the cars at around 100 dealerships in Germany starting in October…again proving there is no shame among the Chinese or the vendors who get rich selling their knock-off merchandise.

The BMW X5 is pictured on the left and the Chinese CEO SUV is on the right.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: automakers; bmw; ceo; china; intellectualproperty; knockoff; suv; trade
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To: dashing doofus

Mercedes did that because they had total control of Chrysler and didn’t make the correct decisions.


101 posted on 08/28/2007 1:38:15 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: LibWhacker

Are the seats stuffed with toxic rags or medical bandages? Is that lead paint or enamel?


102 posted on 08/28/2007 1:39:44 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: dashing doofus

I've got an E36 99 M3 I'm trying to sell. 141K miles and runs and looks like new.

But the mileage scares everybody away...even at $11,500.


103 posted on 08/28/2007 1:42:40 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: longtermmemmory
Too a beautiful land yatch and as if they gave it to the woman who killed oldmobile to fix it...


104 posted on 08/28/2007 1:43:18 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer

LOL!


105 posted on 08/28/2007 1:45:46 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: VOA
Because similar things were being said about "Jap junk" only a couple of decades ago.

The difference is that these claims were greatly overstated about Japan back in the day, largely due to lingering bitterness about the war and stuff, whereas in the case of China it is completely true. The Japanese were manufacturing planes during the war that in many ways were superior to the ones we made, and they have always taken pride in their work.

There was never any serious epidemic of Japanese products killing people, animals, etcetera.

106 posted on 08/28/2007 1:45:53 PM PDT by jpl (Dear Al Gore: it's 3:00 A.M., do you know where your drug addicted son is?)
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To: steve86

“No, there’s a difference. The Japanese were on a learning curve,”

Agreed.

And China, since it’s making so much simply making junk, might be
“dis-incentivized” (is that a word?) from even trying to follow the
track of Japanese exported vehicles of the 1970s to the 2000s.

I suspect that “growing fat” off of making/selling junk will be
a major obstacle to Chinese quality manufacturing.


107 posted on 08/28/2007 1:46:06 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Diggity
Chinese probably use real people in their tests.

Sure, it's a noble profession - though a step or two below "target holder"...


108 posted on 08/28/2007 1:51:18 PM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: LibWhacker


If sales begin to lag, it could be they copied the wrong model.

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109 posted on 08/28/2007 1:57:37 PM PDT by OESY
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To: DCPatriot

Yes, they all pretty much look alike these days. So I’m not sure why he’d single out the Chinese.


110 posted on 08/28/2007 1:58:05 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Roklok
"The Japaneses have been doing this for years."

I don't think so, not in Automotives anyway. The Japanese have defined the current market, and it's US who have been attempting to clone their product and successes, rather than spending the money on product and technology research.

We'd rather spend money on advertising a pig with lipstick, than a design team with a wind tunnel.

THIS is the main reason why we have lost so much market share. We have lost our ability desire to innovate, and have, instead, relied on our past. We see where that has gotten us.

It has only been of late that we have pulled our heads out of azzes wallets, and out money back into research, design and human talent.

We've lost so much...credibility, talent, value, market share, technology because of our "stick in the mud" mindsets.

Look at all of the nice Toyotas, Hondas, Mazdas, and most of the new Nissans. These are American designers doing most of these. Then, look at the Euros, they are copying the Japanese, especially MB copying Lexus...just like the Koreans are. That's OUR talent doing most of their bidding.

Which Japanese car are you thinking of that's a copy of an American one?

BTW, I'd like a REAL American Cadilliac again. Not a Luxury Sports Sedan in the "Finest of European Tradition". I want large, oppulent, drop dead graceful beauty, comfort, stylish, plenty of high tech amenities/gadgets, and a roooomy inside. Buckets seats and/or center consoles just do not belong in a Caddy. OK? LOL
111 posted on 08/28/2007 2:02:28 PM PDT by papasmurf (<<<<< Click there to see my dogs! Oh, and I have FRed one liners, too.)
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To: Sicon

Hey, watch it. I never actually dated my cousin. It was completely platonic.


112 posted on 08/28/2007 2:05:05 PM PDT by Sender (A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.)
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To: LibWhacker

Sorry to have gotten off topic.

Re: Ripping off designs.

When someone perceived “better” than you rips off your design, you know you’re on to something and have a winner.

When someone like this Chinese manufacturer does it, it means it’s time to show them who is boss, and come out with a new design that out-designs even yourself.


113 posted on 08/28/2007 2:06:37 PM PDT by papasmurf (<<<<< Click there to see my dogs! Oh, and I have FRed one liners, too.)
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To: LibWhacker

They don’t look nearly the same to me. All the design details have been changed.


114 posted on 08/28/2007 2:12:11 PM PDT by RoadTest (Don't wanna vote for no RINOs!)
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To: jpl

“The difference is that these claims were greatly overstated about
Japan back in the day, largely due to lingering bitterness about the
war and stuff,”

IIRC, one of the first Japanese imports tested in the USA couldn’t handle
the hills of San Francisco.
Some of the early import models were pretty marginal, but the Japanese
learned quickly and are the reason our domestic manufacturers started
making some better cars.

And yes, the memories of WWII probably did color some comments on
the early imports.
But I know one survivor of The Bataan Death March...it did take some
time but he did buy a Japanese import (to drive, not for target practice!).

“There was never any serious epidemic of Japanese products killing people,
animals, etcetera.”

Agreed.
All I need to do is watch one of the Pacific Theater episodes of
“Dogfights” to see where Japanese engineers learned hard lessons
about the need for safety and survivability.


115 posted on 08/28/2007 2:13:00 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Sulsa

My beemers come on 2 wheels..


116 posted on 08/28/2007 2:16:50 PM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008 -- talk about it >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: taxed2death

“/rant over”

Maybe your’s, but not mine.

Not by a long shot, FRiend. LOL


117 posted on 08/28/2007 2:17:31 PM PDT by papasmurf (<<<<< Click there to see my dogs! Oh, and I have FRed one liners, too.)
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To: papasmurf

“Then, look at the Euros, they are copying the Japanese, especially MB copying Lexus”

I’d have to say that it’s been Lexus copying MB, BMW and Audi, and not the other way around. Although a number of recent MBs have been rather insipid. And Lexus definitely ripped on BMW for the current TL and TSX styling cues (among others).


118 posted on 08/28/2007 2:21:01 PM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: -YYZ-

In the beginning, that is absolutely true.

You take a look at a 89 Ls 400, the first Lexus, and you’re looking at a MB...only better.

The best Toyota ever was the Crown. An amazing car.


119 posted on 08/28/2007 2:28:50 PM PDT by papasmurf (<<<<< Click there to see my dogs! Oh, and I have FRed one liners, too.)
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To: VOA
Agreed.

How come everyone's so agreeable nowadays? In used to be on FR, several throats would be slashed by now. LOL

120 posted on 08/28/2007 2:30:08 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Sicon
well, now that you ask - what is wrong with taking...oh, never mind... :)
121 posted on 08/28/2007 2:35:59 PM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: steve86

“How come everyone’s so agreeable nowadays? In used to be on FR,
several throats would be slashed by now. LOL”

Uuh...I’m sorry I couldn’t be more testy...
(/SARC)

Maybe things are just a bit slow due as this is August...
“the slow month” for politics and “the dog days of summer”.
So folks are just not amped up to react to anti-climatic events like
Alberto Gonzalez quitting his job or even a bathroom-cruising
Republican Senator from Idaho.
Thank G-d for Michael Vick, otherwise some of us would be snoozing off.


122 posted on 08/28/2007 2:38:44 PM PDT by VOA
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To: newgeezer

They took the lincoln town car and turned it into blob. No curves, no power, no character.

While other cars were adding comfort and cup holders, they did NOTHING to the interior and made the outside look like a taurus with a tyroid condition.


123 posted on 08/28/2007 2:56:27 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: DCPatriot

Agree 100%. My older one that I traded had door protection.


124 posted on 08/29/2007 6:24:36 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: DCPatriot

I gotta say, that is the first classified ad I’ve seen on FR. ;-)

Right now, I’m all set with my car, but I’m sure a conniseur will take that off your hands, even if it needs some work...


125 posted on 08/29/2007 6:26:37 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: dashing doofus

It needs nothing. ;^)


126 posted on 08/29/2007 6:39:51 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: JasonC

Many computers, storage arrays, all types of electronic components, mechanical parts, mechanical assemblies, etc ... etc..... etc .... and of course, all the MIL stuff they are now making for themselves, Iran, and any anti Western fiend who will pay the price ....


127 posted on 08/29/2007 7:31:36 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: LibWhacker

Was it made with melamine?


128 posted on 08/29/2007 7:32:47 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Republican DOES NOT equal Conservative!)
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To: VOA
Yea now it sounds like the squirrel is running around in the can.
129 posted on 08/29/2007 7:33:41 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Republican DOES NOT equal Conservative!)
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To: taxed2death

And once they drain the West financially, they will kill us all and take the land.


130 posted on 08/29/2007 7:33:45 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: -YYZ-

Shop for used A4’s in Incline Village. There are many.


131 posted on 08/29/2007 7:41:38 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Republican DOES NOT equal Conservative!)
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