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BMW CEO Fuming Over Chinese Knock-Off Of Popular X5 SUV. (Pics)
CEOSMACK ^ | 8/28/07

Posted on 08/28/2007 11:27:43 AM PDT by LibWhacker

BMW CEO Norbert Reithofer is not happy. In a case which proves that nothing is immune to the sleight of hand of Chinese manufacturers and their ability and willingness to clone any product on earth, BMW has been forced to threaten legal action over a cheap knock-off version of their popular X5 SUV.

The Chinese-made SUV which ironically enough is called CEO is almost identical in appearance to BMW’s X5…especially from the rear.

“We have already taken steps against the marketing of the CEO (SUV) in Europe. Should this car be presented at the IAA, we will look into taking further legal steps,” a BMW spokesman said.

Forbes reports that Karl Schloessl, the owner of independent importer China Automobile Deutschland said he knew nothing of the legal action, but said it might well help sales of the model.Schloessl said he is planning to sell the cars at around 100 dealerships in Germany starting in October…again proving there is no shame among the Chinese or the vendors who get rich selling their knock-off merchandise.

The BMW X5 is pictured on the left and the Chinese CEO SUV is on the right.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: automakers; bmw; ceo; china; intellectualproperty; knockoff; suv; trade
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To: Roklok
The Japaneses have been doing this for years

What Japanese car manufacturer would be stupid enough to try to duplicate an American car?? Detroit should try to copy Japan's cars.

51 posted on 08/28/2007 12:42:52 PM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: LibWhacker
I would never have known the difference by looking.

I have no doubt the German vehicle doesn't use lead paint.

52 posted on 08/28/2007 12:44:12 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: mgc1122

LOL especially when the transmission falls out on the way home from the lot.

John


53 posted on 08/28/2007 12:44:21 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: Diggity
LOL especially when the transmission falls out on the way home from the lot.

When it fails the crash test, miserably, the Chinese will react badly.

54 posted on 08/28/2007 12:45:53 PM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: VOA
But you could see incremental improvement in everything the Japanese did with autos. The Chinese seem to be approaching things in a haphazard manner. Obviously they are unconscious of the PR impact of their blunders (killing household pets with poisoned dog food ingredients and putting lead paint on children’s toys?). I’m not sure they are on a path paralleling the Japanese yet.
55 posted on 08/28/2007 12:49:33 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right but never in doubt)
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To: caver
A guy I worked with said all new cars looked like a used bar of soap.

Or a soybean.

56 posted on 08/28/2007 12:58:28 PM PDT by MJemison
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To: xcamel

You’re kidding?

Looks like Will Smith’s car in I, ROBOT.

Looks like an attachment to my Kirby vacuum cleaner. ;^)


57 posted on 08/28/2007 12:59:43 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: LibWhacker

Not much to worry about....the effin chinks can’t even build a simple copier machine even when we supply them with blueprints (based on personal experience).

So to actually “wing it” and build a COPY of something....lordy, lordy, lordy....you wouldn’t catch me riding in that crap-box.


58 posted on 08/28/2007 1:00:41 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: dashing doofus

It’s really a Corvette and a porcupine. ;^)


59 posted on 08/28/2007 1:00:52 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: xcamel

Hey I think you mean Porsches...not all BMW owners are pricks :-p


60 posted on 08/28/2007 1:02:02 PM PDT by billakay
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To: taxed2death
"...the effin chinks can’t even build a ..."

Is that necessary? Are you proud of that post?

What if Bill O'Reilly used your post. Would you step forward and take a bow?

Shame on you.

61 posted on 08/28/2007 1:04:19 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: LibWhacker; Paul Ross; Jeff Head; DarkWaters; Tailgunner Joe; Thunder90

What I am about to write is extreme but true. When you go to China to manufacture or even sell, you are asking to be couterfeited and knocked off. Even if you are dealing with a reputable EM, or, control your own factory there, people working for you turn over fast, and take the IP to somewhere else. Solution - go back to a de facto embargo. Painful but necessary for this and a whole host of additional reasons, especially the growing China / SCO threat.


62 posted on 08/28/2007 1:04:59 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: DCPatriot

....sorry.... I should have said effin “COMMUNISTS”....there...more PC. BOR?

hey, this is a no spin zone......LOL I’m sure the mod will come along and delete it shortly...don’t fret.


63 posted on 08/28/2007 1:07:19 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: VOA
Yeah. I recall the Chinese were only making stuffed animals and sneakers and plastic junk for WalMart. Then I looked stuff up, and as of now China makes 1/3 of the world's steel (up from 13% ten years ago - that is when they passed the US, which has gone from 13% to 8% in the same period - I kid you not) and 1/3 of the world's aluminum. Just little things you know, like that.

The closest actual parallel isn't even Japan in the 60s, it is more like the US itself in the 1890s to 1910s. The US passed Britain as the world's leading industrial power first, passed in total econ next, and a generation later in world power. Here's hoping China gets democratic and nice as fast as it gets big.

64 posted on 08/28/2007 1:08:52 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Sicon

“Anyway, you have my condolences on the whole Fiero thing!”

LOL! Exactly. :)


65 posted on 08/28/2007 1:08:55 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: DCPatriot

I always heard that one as a “schoolbus and a pickle”


66 posted on 08/28/2007 1:10:06 PM PDT by CMailBag
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To: Sicon

now just what the hell’s wrong with chewing tobacco and spitting into an empty beer can??? :)


67 posted on 08/28/2007 1:10:14 PM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: taxed2death
Ask him/her to delete mine #61 too then...to get rid of what I copied.

Cheers!

68 posted on 08/28/2007 1:10:51 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
See number 64. They aren't competing on quality. They are competing on sheer brawn. And winning, too.
69 posted on 08/28/2007 1:11:20 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

“But you could see incremental improvement in everything the Japanese
did with autos.”

Yes.
The post-WWII Japanese had a number of advantages:
1. understanding of how to build/run a real “hard metal” industry
2. plenty of hungry people that were desperate to succeed
3. the luck of latching onto a quality-control guru...from the USA

To some degree China doesn’t have those factors.
And while they are (relatively) getting rich and fat from selling
junk to the USA...that sort of knocks the wind out of any attempt to
try to build real quality/safety into their autos.

(just my inexpert opinion)


70 posted on 08/28/2007 1:12:16 PM PDT by VOA
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To: CMailBag
I always heard that one as a “schoolbus and a pickle”

You've piqued my curiosity now...what's the answer???

71 posted on 08/28/2007 1:12:52 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: LibWhacker

I can see all sorts of dissimilarities between them.

By this standard Honda should be suing Hyunda for producing a Sonata that looks so similar to my current-model Accord from many angles. You can’t (at least so far, to the best of my knowledge) copyright style. Get bent, BMW, ya bunch of arrogant Germans.


72 posted on 08/28/2007 1:14:55 PM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: VOA
I could recall my late father...a UAW member...always ragging on toys or products with "Made in Japan" on them.

If he were alive today to see what the Japanese did to his domestic auto industry's standing in the market, he'd flip out.

73 posted on 08/28/2007 1:16:59 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: DCPatriot

My civility goes out the window when I work on a high quality photo paper attachment for a very large and reputable US corporation...then said corporation takes beautifully functioning prototype and ships it and the blueprints off to China.....where three months later a shipment is sent back with 3000 of these instruments that have been made cheaper, sleazier and very carelessly. Now they shred high quality photo paper. Marketing is trying to figure out how to sell them as such (shredders).

If it’s made in China, it’s crap.
/rant over


74 posted on 08/28/2007 1:18:42 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: gridlock
The ChiCom car actually looks, from the rear, more like the Lexus I was behind a little while ago (although the tail lights are different). Did you even look at the pictures showing the rear bumpers before you said they looked alike? Hint: the BMW is the one without the indention for the license plate and the cow catcher underneath. And the taillights are not similar at all (and BMW did a much better job on that design element.)

Come on. If you saw the two cars parked side by side in a lot, would you think it was the same model?

75 posted on 08/28/2007 1:18:59 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: DCPatriot
If he were alive today to see what the Japanese did to his domestic auto industry's standing in the market, he'd flip out.

I'd say Detroit, the UAW, and management did it to themselves. If they lose the light truck market, American vehicles will go the way of American TV sets.

76 posted on 08/28/2007 1:19:44 PM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: LibWhacker

The rear window is different, the tailights are different, as are the door panels, quarter-panels, the rear wiper, the rear bumper etc.


77 posted on 08/28/2007 1:21:37 PM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: taxed2death
I excuse them and call it 'growing pains'.

Talk about a sleeping giant...if they every adopt the immediate-post Pearl Harbor attitude Americans industry enjoyed.

78 posted on 08/28/2007 1:21:57 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: LibWhacker

Won’t catch me in either. One’s too expensive for my taste and the other...............Chinese


79 posted on 08/28/2007 1:22:41 PM PDT by wolfcreek (tagline on holiday)
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To: Andonius_99
now just what the hell’s wrong with chewing tobacco and spitting into an empty beer can??? :)

Not a thing, actually - it just fits the stereotype I was shooting for.

At least you didn't ask what's wrong with taking your cousin on a date!

80 posted on 08/28/2007 1:24:25 PM PDT by Sicon
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To: dashing doofus

Chinese probably use real people in their tests.

John


81 posted on 08/28/2007 1:25:11 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: -YYZ-
Get bent, BMW, ya bunch of arrogant Germans.

Actung: Wir sind nicht alle "arrogant," though as a long time Beemer fan I will admit to being a bit of a car snob. Audi has been trying to out BMW BMW for years, and they haven't pulled it off yet. I doubt the Chinese will be any more sucessful.

82 posted on 08/28/2007 1:25:33 PM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: VOA
Give 'em time. Because similar things were being said about "Jap junk" only a couple of decades ago.

No, there's a difference. The Japanese were on a learning curve, leading to the best manufacturing capability in the world.

The Chinese deliberately use inferior materials and skip QA/QC steps.

All the difference in the world.

83 posted on 08/28/2007 1:25:45 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: DCPatriot

Actually it’s cultural. If you speak to any businessmen who go over there to make the deals...they’ll tell you the same.

Westerners are subhuman. They will not deal with us as equals. We are here just for the purpose of lining their pockets. In their eyes we are all talking chimps.


84 posted on 08/28/2007 1:26:02 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Diggity

LMAO. Probably women, too.


85 posted on 08/28/2007 1:26:06 PM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: LibWhacker

Who do you think taught the communist how to build cars? The Japanese auto makers, the European auto makers and the American auto makers.
The best part of the scam is that the foreign auto makers had to build the auto plants and the communists had 51% ownership of the partnerships.
The communists will do well with their quality.
Stupid capitalists cutting the throat of democracy for a few extra pennies.


86 posted on 08/28/2007 1:26:40 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: steve86

“The Chinese deliberately use inferior materials and skip QA/QC steps.”

100% spot on.


87 posted on 08/28/2007 1:27:47 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: PAR35
Hell...I think BMW has a stronger case to go after Toyota...for stealing the rear trunk and rear end style.

Of course we all thought the early 7 Series was fugly....then the 5 Series adopted it. Now both the Camray and the Hyundai have 'borrowed' it.

88 posted on 08/28/2007 1:29:09 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: LibWhacker

Kinda looks like my daughters Chevy Equinox.


89 posted on 08/28/2007 1:29:12 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (He who angers you controls you.)
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To: mgc1122
Does the Chicom model have lead paint?
90 posted on 08/28/2007 1:30:40 PM PDT by pointsal (q)
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To: All

I forgot to add that my daughters Equinox is full of Chinese parts. The CV joints went and the rotors warped after only one year! The dealer told it was because of cheap Chinese parts.


91 posted on 08/28/2007 1:31:12 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (He who angers you controls you.)
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To: em2vn
Stupid capitalists cutting the throat of democracy for a few extra pennies.

If we really want to eliminate this car as a competitive threat, we should urge them to merge with one of the big three. Chrysler absolutely destroyed Mercedes' reputation and market share in only a few short years.

92 posted on 08/28/2007 1:31:19 PM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: taxed2death
Reminds of James Clavell's novel...SHOGUN.

Everything an Asian says has a double meaning. You have to study every nuance.

LOL! Kerry would fit right in over there.

93 posted on 08/28/2007 1:32:11 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: dashing doofus

At the risk of sounding like an idiot, I think Audi has superior styling on a number of its models. Some of the latest BMWs really leave me cold, styling-wise, although the new 6-series is pretty hot. Knowing what mechanical goodness lies underneath causes me to cut them some slack, though. Oh, yeah, I like the Boxster S better than the Z4. And that new RS6 is pretty sweet. Actually, I’d love to have any number of German cars, but I can’t afford to buy them or maintain them. I might look at a lightly-used A4 Quattro for my next car, though. I’d like a TT Quattro - just because they look so cool.


94 posted on 08/28/2007 1:32:11 PM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: DCPatriot

Fire Bangle!

He mucked up such clean lines on the BMW.


95 posted on 08/28/2007 1:32:13 PM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Roklok
"What’s the big deal now. The Japaneses have been doing this for years."

I've toured factories in Japan to look at their electrical systems. What was amazing is the equipment looked exactly like GE or Westinghouse stuff, but it was labeled Mitsubishi Electric.
96 posted on 08/28/2007 1:34:22 PM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: xcamel

“Porcupines have their pricks on the outside”

/proud BMW owner ;)


97 posted on 08/28/2007 1:35:08 PM PDT by Sulsa (Duncan Hunter in '08!)
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To: -YYZ-

I think the older model BMWs had better lines. The new Bangle Butt is butt ugly.

Some of the newer Audis are pretty sharp. We see alot in New England because of the AWD feature, and they are a few thousand bucks less than BMWs. I still prefer BMW cornering and overall handling to the Audi. Though the S models are pretty nice, and cost less than the M series....


98 posted on 08/28/2007 1:36:20 PM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: dashing doofus

The lack of anything to protect door skins is simply unbelievable.


99 posted on 08/28/2007 1:37:22 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: LibWhacker

LOL!

The Chinese couldn’t are less about intellectual proeprty rights, much less ANY human rights.

Wal-Mart takes advantage of that in cooperation with the Chinese government.


100 posted on 08/28/2007 1:37:39 PM PDT by CodeToad
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