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How hypervisors can defeat GPLv3's "anti-tivoization"
LinuxDevices ^ | Aug. 27, 2007 | Henry Kingman

Posted on 08/28/2007 9:43:45 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat

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To: Golden Eagle
I’m not running it myself, nor do I recommend anyone else does, too many better options out there.

But you are using it, willfully. Revised offer: We'll both be allowed on web sites and other publicly-accessible servers no matter what they're running. Otherwise I quit my use of Linux and you quit your use of Windows. Come on, you've claimed me as a Linux lover and supporter. Here's your chance to make sure one less person is using Linux.

We'll make the term of the boycott just one week, renewable upon agreement. Are you chicken?

Besides, above is only your highly uneducated opinion. Even if you did know what you're talking about, making blanket statements such as this is idiotic without a targeted situation. "Better" in your opinion means not free, which immediately divorces your opinion from the reality that most people use.

21 posted on 08/30/2007 5:48:39 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Dominick
there isnÂ’t much practical difference between BSD and Linux

Can't bring yourself to admit how terribly wrong you were to claim Apple is based on Linux, typical of Linux guys, another poster here once argued with me till he was blue in the face that my Blackberry ran Linux when it's actually a Sun O/S.

BSD products make every attempt to dump Stallman's software, as little of it is used as possible, hopefully it will all be gone one day. As I already said, it's Unix, Stallman's GNU is "not unix", Linux being a foreign clone itself.

22 posted on 08/30/2007 6:33:00 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: antiRepublicrat

He claimed Linux was going up and Windows was going down which was easily disproven. Vista alone is already on more desktops than all Linux combined, while Windows servers just gained several points of market share. You guys can’t even beat M$ by giving it away LOL.


23 posted on 08/30/2007 6:36:15 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: antiRepublicrat

No, the intent is to keep the software free, and allow users to modify it. Using hardware controls to prevent modification is not in keeping with the spirit of the GPL.

If Tivo doesn’t like the freedom for users that the GPL protects, why don’t they use BSD?


24 posted on 08/30/2007 6:54:12 AM PDT by B Knotts (Anybody but Giuliani!)
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To: Golden Eagle; Jim Robinson
Can't bring yourself to admit how terribly wrong you were to claim Apple is based on Linux, typical of Linux guys, another (snip)

Thanks for the personal attack.
25 posted on 08/30/2007 6:58:34 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Dominick

LOL I’ve had Linux guys posting in this very thread who’ve previously accussed me of being in cults and having sex with goats when they’ve been proven wrong, you guys are good at dishing it out but obviously have very fragile skins when it comes to taking it.


26 posted on 08/30/2007 7:38:39 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: B Knotts
No, the intent is to keep the software free, and allow users to modify it.

Users are absolutely able to modify the Linux that TiVO uses on their hardware. Users just don't have the right to tell TiVO how to design their hardware. If they don't like it, don't buy a TiVO, and instead download that Linux and put it on non-TiVO hardware.

It's a software license. It has no business dictating hardware design. Controlling the hardware may be Stallman's intent, but trying to do so through a software license is an abuse of copyright.

27 posted on 08/30/2007 7:59:08 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle; Dominick
LOL I’ve had Linux guys posting in this very thread

As a "Linux guy" the offer still stands for me to boycott the local use of Linux for a week in exchange for you not using Windows for a week.

Are you afraid to accept the offer? This should be really hard for me if I'm a "Linux guy." Or are you lying about me?

BTW Dominick, his claims about me are, as usual, out of context. In fact, the "goat" thing was to show how he often takes me out of context in order to misrepresent my position.

28 posted on 08/30/2007 8:03:26 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: B Knotts
No, the intent is to keep the software free, and allow users to modify it.

Which TiVo does! You can download and view all of their changes. Which some have done to build their own similar systems.

Using hardware controls to prevent modification is not in keeping with the spirit of the GPL.

They don't prevent chances to the software they prevent you from running altered software on the Hardware that they themselves put together.

The anti tivo thing is a power grab to turn the GPL into what some have accused it of being. NO GPL related resources are in that hardwareso you have no rights to it..

29 posted on 08/30/2007 8:27:09 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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The anti tivo thing is a power grab to turn the GPL into what some have accused it of being.

Thank you. I'm hopeful you feel the same way about the FSF moonbat's claims that Microsoft has forfieted their patent rights by entering their agreement with Novell, but certainly not counting on it.

30 posted on 08/30/2007 8:35:51 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle; Dominick
As usual you take people out of context and go on to disprove irrelevant strawmen. He said embedded Linux is doing well, and you go off to quote server and desktop stats.
31 posted on 08/30/2007 8:42:53 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
the FSF moonbat's claims that Microsoft has forfieted their patent rights by entering their agreement with Novell

The FSF stated that under the license Microsoft cannot only give patent protection to a small subset of people using the software it distributes or pays others to distribute. It did not say they forfeited their patent rights. They are still free to sue for infringement in instances not related to the software they distribute or pay others to distribute.

32 posted on 08/30/2007 9:13:59 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
It did not say they forfeited their patent rights.

They did with respect to patent rights affecting the moonbat's code. So as I expected you seem to still side with the moonbats whenever their new license virally affects Microsoft.

33 posted on 08/30/2007 9:36:16 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
They did with respect to patent rights affecting the moonbat's code.

Then limit your statements in the future to what is actually affected. BTW, are you ready to complain that Sun's CDDL has a patent protection clause, too?

34 posted on 08/30/2007 9:43:09 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
strawmen

Wrong of course, he clealy mentioned "Samba" which is used in servers and desktops but rarely if ever in embedded systems, and where's his proof for embedded systems? For example Windows is used in several popular cellphonnes here in the US but last I heard Linux only had one model here that's just finally being released after years of similar bogus hype.

35 posted on 08/30/2007 9:48:56 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: antiRepublicrat
Posted yesterday.

L

36 posted on 08/30/2007 9:52:15 AM PDT by Lurker ( Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing smallpox and ebola.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
are you ready to complain that Sun's CDDL has a patent protection clause No because I've already told you Sun isn't run by green party leftists like Stallman who try to enforce viral license impediments on competitors, something you apparently do support despite your constant talking in circles on the matter and pointing your crooked finger at Sun and Microsoft.
37 posted on 08/30/2007 9:53:10 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle; antiRepublicrat; All
If only we could combine a CREATION thread with a LINUX thread...

38 posted on 08/30/2007 9:59:49 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss; All
>If only we could combine a CREATION thread with a LINUX thread...

Oh-my-God! I meant
that to come out formatted!
Satan got to me!

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If only we could
combine a CREATION thread
with a LINUX thread...

39 posted on 08/30/2007 10:02:33 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: antiRepublicrat

“Hypervisor” sounds like a boss who’s working on his 12th cup of morning coffee...


40 posted on 08/30/2007 10:05:03 AM PDT by r9etb
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