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Why Senator Larry Craig is right!
TownHall.com ^ | 08.29.07 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 08/29/2007 7:43:20 AM PDT by jodiluvshoes

Senator Larry Craig is either incoherent or incompetent – or both. His press conference on Tuesday afternoon was exactly the wrong thing to do - on nearly every level. And I for one do not believe that most of his story holds.

Save this one item, when he stated clearly, "I am not gay!"

I'm sure there was no merriment whatsoever in his life the preceding number of hours up to the press conference.

If he meant that was "not homosexual" that too is also likely.

Homosexuality is not a state of defined being. Rather on the best science man has gathered we understand it to be a series of emotions, feelings, desires, choices, and most importantly behavior.

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Caught KMC on CNN last night too. He hammered libs for embracing everything immoral!
1 posted on 08/29/2007 7:43:20 AM PDT by jodiluvshoes
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To: jodiluvshoes
Craig is sick in the head, and needs meds, seriously.

His wife, friends, and church, should do an intervention and get him help.

In private.

2 posted on 08/29/2007 7:49:48 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: jodiluvshoes

I can’t help but think about his wife, kids and grandchildren whenever this story comes up.

What a delusional piece of crap this guy is.


3 posted on 08/29/2007 7:51:15 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: jodiluvshoes

The argument that ‘he has sex with men but he’s not gay’ involves too much prison logic for me to comprehend.


4 posted on 08/29/2007 7:51:16 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: jodiluvshoes

Homosexuality is not a state of defined being. Rather on the best science man has gathered we understand it to be a series of emotions, feelings, desires, choices, and most importantly behavior.


repeat loud and often.


5 posted on 08/29/2007 7:53:41 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: jodiluvshoes

Conservatives do have standards, expectations, and accountability.

repeat loud and often...............


7 posted on 08/29/2007 7:55:56 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: PeterPrinciple
What I have read is that the vast majority of homosexuals are the way they are because of a hormonal imbalance in the Mother late in the pregnancy.
8 posted on 08/29/2007 7:58:00 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: jodiluvshoes
If the guy wasn't doing anything wrong, he would have called his lawyer 1st thing & fought the charge from the git-go.

Not try to make it quietly go away with a un-counseled plea-bargain and not informing lawyers, friends and family to assist you in fighting this 'setup'.

9 posted on 08/29/2007 8:02:27 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

That’s the trouble I have with all this. If this happened to me there is no way in God’s creation that I would not have undertaken every measure to clear my name! I would not have agreed to ANY stinkin’ plea bargin deal!


10 posted on 08/29/2007 8:06:05 AM PDT by Obadiah (Nothing says, "Get off my lawn" like the inscription of a claymore - THIS SIDE TOWARDS THE ENEMY.)
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To: jodiluvshoes

the likelihood is that when he says he is not gay he means it in the same way that bill clinton did when he said he did not have sex with monica lewinsky. Clinton was not counting a little head. Likely Craig isn’t either.

Somehow someone in congress needs to regularly tell republicans that they are not predators when they chase boys or girls or what have you.

Republican Congressmen looking for sex outside marriage are prey animals. They need to be told that they will be hunted down. They need to be told this regularly.

Look at Craig. He’s an old man. He doesn’t have any juice in him. All he’s got dried up sin.


11 posted on 08/29/2007 8:06:13 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
What I have read is that the vast majority of homosexuals are the way they are because of a hormonal imbalance in the Mother late in the pregnancy.

And you read this in the main stream media? They are victims and not responsible for their behavior? I have a bridge I would like to sell you at a reasonable price.

For the VAST MAJORITY it is a LEARNED BEHAVIOUR!

12 posted on 08/29/2007 8:06:29 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: jodiluvshoes

Why do we care? The dems have said we should be proud if we are homosexual.


13 posted on 08/29/2007 8:07:09 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: jodiluvshoes
He's finished. The sooner he resigns the better for all concerned.
14 posted on 08/29/2007 8:07:38 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: jodiluvshoes

Larry Craig needs to resign. TODAY!


15 posted on 08/29/2007 8:08:00 AM PDT by Obadiah (Nothing says, "Get off my lawn" like the inscription of a claymore - THIS SIDE TOWARDS THE ENEMY.)
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To: jodiluvshoes
Proving once again - our Senate is inhabited by some of the most flawed, corrupt, incompetent and despicable bastards in the country...

How in hell does that happen?

Most of the fools in Congress couldn’t get or keep an honest man’s job.

A Republic can not survive being led by career politicians....especially those in the pattern of Kennedy, Clinton, Durbin, Schumer, Levin, McCain, Kerry, etc. etc....

16 posted on 08/29/2007 8:10:16 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: jodiluvshoes

He needs to resign now lest he has a Foley effect on the election in ‘08. The libs noticed how effective a tool Foley’s outing was to keep Republican voters home.


17 posted on 08/29/2007 8:16:51 AM PDT by TheThinker (You don't support the troops if you undermine the war they are fighting right now.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
For the VAST MAJORITY it is a LEARNED BEHAVIOUR!

I happen to disagree. I know that puts me in the minority around here, which doesn't bother me. I am comfortable with my conclusions because I have probably studied more of the scientific literature than anyone or almost anyone who posts here.

However, for purposes of this issue, it doesn't matter. No Senator (or anyone) has any business cruising for gay sex in public restrooms. Craig needs to resign, immediately. Since he has chosen to be belligerent instead, the GOP leadership needs to force him out. NOW.

18 posted on 08/29/2007 8:19:34 AM PDT by freespirited (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: roses of sharon
His wife, friends, and church, should do an intervention and get him help.

Right on. They cured Ted Haggard of his homosexuality in only three days!
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19 posted on 08/29/2007 8:19:48 AM PDT by radioman
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To: Obadiah
"If this happened to me there is no way in God’s creation that I would not have undertaken every measure to clear my name!"

You and me both. However, if you were a US Senator with allegations of homosexual activities dating back to 1967, including an existing allegation of homo toilet sex, you might try to cut your losses and plead out. Craig was in a lose/lose situation once the vice cop flashed his badge.

20 posted on 08/29/2007 8:20:23 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: jodiluvshoes

I thought it was weird when Craig called the incident a “failure”. But then, the whole press conference was weird.


21 posted on 08/29/2007 8:21:23 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: jodiluvshoes

There’s a lot about this story that just doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Who would’ve thought that airport restrooms are a big meeting place for gays? Seems improbable... I mean of all places, bathrooms are odd enough but airport restrooms are really busy places at all hours. How could anybody think they could do anything in there without being observed? It’s baffling, but obviously was a big enough problem for the police to set up an undercover operation to stop it.

But then I get to the police actions here. The “signals” the cop relayed seem pretty subtle to me. Not that it isn’t true and maybe the senator really was soliciting the cop... but all those “signals” are pretty close to things that could have completely innocuous explanations. Standing outside a door peeping and standing outside a door waiting for one to come open might be difficult to distinguish from inside the stall. And foot-tapping or reaching down below the stall might also happen for reasons that are more innocent.

Again... sure they appear now to be signals that are used by gays to hook up, but it would also be awfully easy to misinterpret and arrest somebody who was innocent.

Then: they’re going to go to court with with collection of odd signals even though there’s no overtly sexual activity or even any clear verbal communication taking place? It sure doesn’t seem like much. And then even more inexplicably they’re pleading these things down to a minor and non sex related charge. What good does that do? Isn’t the whole point of these “sting” operations to embarrass the perps and generate publicity about the operation so others will be discouraged from going there?

But to run it as a relatively minor “disturbing the peace” type thing, when that story runs in the paper it kinda takes the sting out of the sting doesn’t it?


22 posted on 08/29/2007 8:22:31 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: roses of sharon

I am waiting for a reproter to ask Senator Clinton what words of advice she has to offer Mrs. Craig during these trying times.


23 posted on 08/29/2007 8:23:43 AM PDT by RXSalesman
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To: jodiluvshoes

Craig said he what he is not - gay.

He didn’t deny being bi-sexual? Hmmmmm. :>)


24 posted on 08/29/2007 8:25:10 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: jodiluvshoes

I retrospect I think it would have been better for him if he had not opened his remarks with “I want to thank you all for coming out today...”


25 posted on 08/29/2007 8:25:28 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: river rat
How in hell does that happen? Most of the fools in Congress couldn’t get or keep an honest man’s job.

You are so right. They aren't responsible to actually do anything. They bloviate, pass around money and pass rules for the rest of us to follow. No one blames them when a bridge falls, trash is not collected, snow is not removed. Mayors and governors are held responsible far more than legislators, especially those all the way in DC.

Of course, for the last 6 years Pres. Bush has been blamed for anything big, like hurricanes. That will change instantly if a Dem gets back in the White House.

26 posted on 08/29/2007 8:25:49 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: jodiluvshoes
We have expectations, standards and accountability. That is why we want Larry Craig gone. The Left doesn't have those traits so they will happily put up with an adulterous President and a Congressman who ran a sex ring out of his apartment. Thank Heaven we're different. I expect a fellow human being to always do the right thing before God and I won't ever except the excuse "every one else does it." No - not every one else does it and God has destined people for greater things.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

27 posted on 08/29/2007 8:29:22 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Badeye

Unless the wife is really stupid, I’m pretty sure she knows her husband has been gay for a long time.


28 posted on 08/29/2007 8:31:33 AM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Democratshavenobrains

Unless the wife is really stupid, I’m pretty sure she knows her husband has been gay for a long time.

Smart money is on stupid.


29 posted on 08/29/2007 8:34:32 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: radioman
3 days? LOL, I hadn’t heard that.

Well, hopefully Haggard is no longer trolling for anal sex, and getting some kind of psyche/sexual mental help.

Same goes for this guy Craig, his denial is dangerous, who knows what he could do next.

These guys that crave gay sex are sick and need their loved ones to do what they can to get some help in self-disipline for their addiction.

30 posted on 08/29/2007 8:35:15 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: vbmoneyspender

We should get rid of the words “gay” and “homosexual” and define based on behavior.

The Centers for Disease control is interested in valid data, so it simply uses the expression “MSM - Men having Sex with Men.”

That’s a pretty fair description of the behavior they need to track so they can have accurate statistics.

Craig is guilty of having sex with men. The truth is that he’d obviously gone through these bathroom signals in the past.

He does this in a public bathroom.

He risks others (kids) seeing it.

And he’s stupid....thinks that public exposure won’t eventually catch up with him.

The final reason is reason enough to fire him.


31 posted on 08/29/2007 8:37:55 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: roses of sharon
Well, hopefully Haggard is no longer trolling for anal sex,

lol...
32 posted on 08/29/2007 8:40:25 AM PDT by radioman
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To: Ramius

You posted:But then I get to the police actions here. The “signals” the cop relayed seem pretty subtle to me. Not that it isn’t true and maybe the senator really was soliciting the cop... but all those “signals” are pretty close to things that could have completely innocuous explanations. Standing outside a door peeping and standing outside a door waiting for one to come open might be difficult to distinguish from inside the stall. And foot-tapping or reaching down below the stall might also happen for reasons that are more innocent.
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I confess (and celebrate) that I don’t know much about these gay pickup signals, but I am not sure I see the real issue. When I was dating (if I can recall correctly) I tried to use much LESS subtle signals to try and convince women to have sex with me, and I would have done the same with a female police officer if I found her attractive. I don’t see how that is any sort of violation of law, unless money or coercion were involved.

I think the guy is likely a creep, but I don’t see what the criminal violation is. And if it IS a violation, you bar cruisers better watch your act.


33 posted on 08/29/2007 8:44:37 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: jodiluvshoes

Queer is bad enough, trolling around in public restrooms adds another layer of filth. How far would someone like this go, if they thought they could get away with it?
He obviously isn’t concerned with God seeing what he does.
If getting caught is the greatest restraint on your behavior, you can’t be trusted with anything.


34 posted on 08/29/2007 8:45:09 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: jodiluvshoes
Senator Craig:


35 posted on 08/29/2007 9:05:00 AM PDT by jaz.357 (...diagonally parked in a parallel universe.)
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To: freespirited

I am comfortable with my conclusions because I have probably studied more of the scientific literature than anyone or almost anyone who posts here.


The so called “scientific literature” in education and social sciences is crap.


36 posted on 08/29/2007 9:07:47 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Ramius

I don’t see how one can prosecute someone for these signals. Seems like free speech to me. Also, I have been hitted on lots of time withut anyone ever setting upa sting to protect me. I just said yes or no.


37 posted on 08/29/2007 9:08:52 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: freespirited

actually the real science does NOT point to genetics.

(even the 11th DCA had concede that when they upheld the FL ban on homosexuals adopting children)


38 posted on 08/29/2007 9:10:57 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Ramius
but obviously was a big enough problem for the police to set up an undercover operation to stop it.

I'm curious as to what similar arrests occurred in the last 3 months. I am suspicious of the officers report quite simply. The time frame is 3 minutes and putting a bag in front of you is hardly suspicious as well as foot tapping. JMO.

39 posted on 08/29/2007 9:13:09 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: Badeye

“I can’t help but think about his wife, kids and grandchildren whenever this story comes up.”

I hope his wife gets checked for STDs.


40 posted on 08/29/2007 9:20:29 AM PDT by Marathoner 244
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To: vbmoneyspender

“The argument that ‘he has sex with men but he’s not gay”

The equivalent of Klinton saying he “didn’t inhale”!


41 posted on 08/29/2007 9:22:07 AM PDT by Marathoner 244
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To: jodiluvshoes

It’s like the Diceman said, “There is no in-between, you either suck [....] or you don’t.”


42 posted on 08/29/2007 9:23:27 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: river rat

“A Republic can not survive being led by career politicians”

Beware of politicians growing old in office ~ Napoleon


43 posted on 08/29/2007 9:25:12 AM PDT by Marathoner 244
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To: jodiluvshoes

All Craig has to do is become a Democrap, then the press would treat him like a hero.

Then again, being a Democrap is gayer than being a pervert hanging out in mens rooms.


44 posted on 08/29/2007 9:25:17 AM PDT by exile ("Get off my phone, ya big dope"- The Great One)
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To: ghost of nixon; Admin Moderator

Thanks for providing ammunition to the folks who call FR a hate site.


45 posted on 08/29/2007 9:29:22 AM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: vbmoneyspender

See L.U.G.s

Lesbian Until Graduation....
(anything goes these days)


46 posted on 08/29/2007 9:31:32 AM PDT by griswold3 (Al queda is guilty of hiraba (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Yeah, Right. What nonsense.


47 posted on 08/29/2007 9:33:53 AM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: pacelvi

It’s called freedom of speech.


48 posted on 08/29/2007 9:37:37 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: river rat
"A Republic can not survive being led by career politicians ...

You could have simply stopped there. It was never intended by our founding fathers and it will eventually be our doom. We are well on the way and gaining speed exponentially, IMO.

That said, it is up to the electorate to end this business of electing the same bastards over and over again.

History has proved itself over and over again, absolute power eventually corrupts, absolutely.

Unfortunately, I don't believe the electorate neither cares, or worse yet has a clue concerning the power we were given by our founding fathers.

I remember writing often and boldly here on this forum back when Whitewater was the reason for being here; "It says much more about us, the electorate, that Bill Clinton was elected, reelected and impeached, than it ever said about him!"

The collective "we" are the problem!

49 posted on 08/29/2007 9:41:55 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?" --Greg Adams--Brownsville, TX --On the other Front Line)
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To: pacelvi
Thanks for providing ammunition to the folks who call FR a hate site

...my apologies to anyone so offended.

50 posted on 08/29/2007 9:42:35 AM PDT by ghost of nixon
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