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Researcher's Say Italy's 5,000-Year-Old Iceman Died From Head Trauma, Not Arrow (Oetzi)
IHT ^ | 8-28-2007

Posted on 08/29/2007 9:26:19 AM PDT by blam

Researchers say Italy's 5,000-year-old Iceman died from head trauma, not arrow

The Associated PressPublished: August 28, 2007

ROME, Italy: Researchers studying Iceman, the 5,000-year-old mummy found frozen in the Italian Alps, have come up with a new theory for how he died, saying he died from head trauma, not by bleeding to death from an arrow.

Just two months ago, researchers in Switzerland published an article in the Journal of Archaeological Science saying the mummy — also known as Oetzi — had died after the arrow tore a hole in an artery beneath his left collarbone, leading to massive loss of blood, shock and heart attack.

But radiologists, pathologists and other researchers, using new forensic information and CAT scans, said Tuesday they believed that the blood loss from the arrow wound only made Oetzi lose consciousness. They believe he died either by hitting his head on a rock when he passed out or because his aggressor attacked him again with a blow to the head.

The researchers presented their findings Monday night at the Institute for Mummies and the Iceman at the European Academy in Bolzano, a research institution. The mummy institute was launched in July to coordinate research into Oetzi, who is housed in the nearby South Tyrol Archaeological Museum.

In a statement Tuesday, the academy said the findings reopened the debate over Oetzi's cause of death, particularly since they took into account the rather unnatural way in which his body was found: face down, with his left arm across his chest.

The researchers believe the Iceman fell over backward, but was then turned over onto his stomach by his aggressor who then pulled out the arrow shaft while leaving the arrowhead imbedded in Oetzi's shoulder.

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1 posted on 08/29/2007 9:26:22 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Where’s Quincy when you really need him?.............


2 posted on 08/29/2007 9:27:52 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

Oetzi's DNA haplogroup is 'K', same as Thomas Jefferson's.

3 posted on 08/29/2007 9:28:18 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

None of this can be true. As we all know, people lived in perfect utopian harmony until Christianity and capitalism came along.


4 posted on 08/29/2007 9:28:53 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: blam

Poor Oetzi. Wonder if they’ll ever determine FOR SURE what actually killed him!


5 posted on 08/29/2007 9:29:03 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom, Bible Thumper and Proud to be an American! RUN, FRED, RUN!!!)
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To: blam
Oetzi falls and receives a head trauma, and then it takes 5000 years to get a CAT scan.

If that's not a failure of socialized medicine I don't know what is. :)

6 posted on 08/29/2007 9:29:11 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: blam

7 posted on 08/29/2007 9:29:41 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: blam

His wife hit him with a frying pan.


8 posted on 08/29/2007 9:30:39 AM PDT by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: blam

Hundreds of thousands of dollars later and he’s still dead, Jim.


9 posted on 08/29/2007 9:31:25 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: blam

Just robbing ancient Italian icemen that Americans won’t rob.


10 posted on 08/29/2007 9:31:36 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Dalton Thompson - POTUS 44)
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To: Red Badger; blam

An arrow isn’t head trauma?


11 posted on 08/29/2007 9:33:03 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Bosco

That’s funny!


12 posted on 08/29/2007 9:33:15 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: blam
Ancient DNA
13 posted on 08/29/2007 9:34:53 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

Interesting. Amazing what can be done these days.


15 posted on 08/29/2007 9:36:28 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: blam

shot, bashed in the head, frozen...

This guy was like the Rasputin of his era.


16 posted on 08/29/2007 9:42:39 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (RON PAUL: "It will be a little bit better now with the democrats now in charge of oversight ")
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To: blam

It was Barzini all along, wasn’t it?


17 posted on 08/29/2007 9:43:09 AM PDT by macamadamia (I reject your reality, but here's a Necco Wafer.)
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To: blam

I'm just a caveman. I'm confused and frightened by your CAT scans and modern forensic science. But there is one thing I do know: that Oetzi deserves justice and a $10 million settlement for the initial misruling on his cause of death.

18 posted on 08/29/2007 9:44:22 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (May the heirs of Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski rise up again to defend Europe.)
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To: blam

So, he was beaten to death by a Cleric, not a Fighter?


19 posted on 08/29/2007 9:46:44 AM PDT by 50sDad (Angels on asteroids are abducting crop circles!)
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To: blam
And if he fell on his head the reason was the arrow. And if the people that were attacking caught him and hit him on the head is was the arrow that allow them do to do. So the arrow is the reason for his death period.
20 posted on 08/29/2007 9:49:44 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: 50sDad
So, he was beaten to death by a Cleric, not a Fighter?

So who is the bigger geek. You for saying that or me for having the first response of "well, not under the 3rd edition rules"?

21 posted on 08/29/2007 9:51:44 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (May the heirs of Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski rise up again to defend Europe.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Silky Pony, is that you?

lol good one!


23 posted on 08/29/2007 9:53:44 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Froufrou

That’s a pointed question!...........


24 posted on 08/29/2007 9:55:15 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Red Badger

This gives new meaning to the term “cold case”....


25 posted on 08/29/2007 9:56:40 AM PDT by tracer
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To: blam

thanks, Blam. I have put ‘ancient dna’ on my favorites.


26 posted on 08/29/2007 9:56:54 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: tracer

I wonder if his DNA is “cloneable”?.............


27 posted on 08/29/2007 10:00:07 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: blam; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...
Thanks Blam. [singing] If you knew oetzi like we know oetzi, oh, oh, oh what a guy...

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28 posted on 08/29/2007 10:13:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, August 26, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
WAs he found in Gramercy PASS?

Suicide by Arkancide - linked to distant ancestors of the clintooon tribe.

29 posted on 08/29/2007 10:15:47 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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To: KarlInOhio; 50sDad

You’re both geeks, but you’re entitled to saving throws.


30 posted on 08/29/2007 10:16:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, August 26, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Bosco

LOLOLOLOL

Michael Moore will get right on it


31 posted on 08/29/2007 10:16:47 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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To: Froufrou
An arrow isn’t head trauma?

Not when it doesn't hit the head :o)

32 posted on 08/29/2007 10:17:38 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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To: blam
A few observations:

Notice you never see Oetzi and Keith Richards in the same room together. Coincidence? I think not.

If Oetzi was killed by enemy fighters, why didn’t they take his copper axe, or his quiver? Hmmm, just like the movie Predator... except for the skinning of the corpse, the making trophies of man and all that other crap.

33 posted on 08/29/2007 10:17:43 AM PDT by afortiori
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To: Red Badger; SunkenCiv
Where’s Quincy when you really need him?.............

Hey! I was gonna think of that!

34 posted on 08/29/2007 10:18:29 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Expose yourself to new people, but make sure none of them are undercover cops.)
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To: tracer

Good one ... LOL


35 posted on 08/29/2007 10:19:23 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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To: blam

“In a statement Tuesday, the academy said the findings reopened the debate over Oetzi’s cause of death, particularly since they took into account the rather unnatural way in which his body was found: face down, with his left arm across his chest. The researchers believe the Iceman fell over backward, but was then turned over onto his stomach by his aggressor who then pulled out the arrow shaft while leaving the arrowhead imbedded in Oetzi’s shoulder.”

Its all just speculation masquarading as science. No one could have fallen with his arm like that... Utter BS.


36 posted on 08/29/2007 10:19:24 AM PDT by Hacklehead (I'm not here to make friends.)
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To: Monkey Face

Hey, your tagline tops everything else in the thread! ;’)


37 posted on 08/29/2007 10:21:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, August 26, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Monkey Face
Hey! I was gonna think of that!

LOL

I gotta remember to think of that retort...

38 posted on 08/29/2007 10:21:28 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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39 posted on 08/29/2007 10:22:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, August 26, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: afortiori

Because he was equipped with noob gear. A copper axe is only +17 offense although you could get 25 gold for it if you hauled it to Fibula.


40 posted on 08/29/2007 10:28:33 AM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: blam; Monkey Face; The Spirit Of Allegiance

Oetzi was a hunter, and he was slain by local farmers for trespassing. Yes, his death was the work of another cereal killer.


41 posted on 08/29/2007 10:28:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, August 26, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Red Badger
The people from Cold Case will sort it all out.

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42 posted on 08/29/2007 10:31:31 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Hacklehead
Its all just speculation masquarading as science. No one could have fallen with his arm like that... Utter BS.

>That was my take as well. The body been out there for 5,000 years being shifted around by ice, snow, wind and who knows what else. He was probably located quite a distance from where is actually fell.

43 posted on 08/29/2007 10:33:06 AM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: afortiori
"If Oetzi was killed by enemy fighters, why didn’t they take his copper axe, or his quiver? "

Excellent observation and I agree.

The discovery of Oetzi's copper axe moved the European copper age back in time by 1,000 years.

44 posted on 08/29/2007 10:38:01 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

I didn’t know Larry King knew how to use a bow and arrow


45 posted on 08/29/2007 10:38:06 AM PDT by Battle of Tours
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To: blam
Oetzi's DNA haplogroup is 'K', same as Thomas Jefferson's.

Aha! Oetzi fathered Sally Hemmings offspring, and was killed to hush him up!

46 posted on 08/29/2007 10:39:58 AM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: SunkenCiv
*groan*



*crickets*

47 posted on 08/29/2007 10:51:51 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Expose yourself to new people, but make sure none of them are undercover cops.)
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To: KarlInOhio
3rd edition? 3rd Edition? We had a hardback players, a hardback DM's, one monster manual, the twelve original modules and a handful of back issues of Dragon magazine, and we were grateful to have them! We had to get up a 3:00 in the morning, study for finals, and walk to schoool, killing Orcs, uphill both ways! We were so poor, I had to start out with a -2 Berzerker Sword that sang sad Irish songs every time you pulled it out of its sheath, and which was so dumb, it lowered MY IQ every time I fought something! Our Wizard was tossed out of the Unseen University for being bad at cantrips!

Thanks folks, I'm here all week. Try the veal, and don't tip your serving wenches...it makes them fall over!

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48 posted on 08/29/2007 10:53:22 AM PDT by 50sDad (Angels on asteroids are abducting crop circles!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Hey, your tagline tops everything else in the thread! ;’)

Thanks! ;o])

49 posted on 08/29/2007 10:53:45 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Expose yourself to new people, but make sure none of them are undercover cops.)
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To: Red Badger

Probably not “clonable” due to deterioration, but why do so — we already have Ted Kenndy>


50 posted on 08/29/2007 11:15:16 AM PDT by tracer
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