Posted on 08/29/2007 2:20:14 PM PDT by Lorianne
The Washington state supreme court has forced the Boy Scouts of America to turn over "ineligible volunteer" files that revealed a sexual abuse problem among Scout leaders far greater than the organization previously admitted. Although justices ruled that the files themselves would not be made public, attorneys said the Boy Scouts "have ejected at least 5,100 adult leaders nationwide for sexual abuse allegations since 1946," according to the Seattle Times.
In the past 15 years, the organization has kicked out leaders for abuse allegations at a rate of one every other day.
The ruling stemmed from a 2003 suit filed by two former Scouts, brothers Tom and Matt Stewart, now men in their 40s, who say they were sexually molested by a Scoutmaster over many years.
The records they obtained show that, as part of the "ineligible volunteer" files, the organization retained information on 1,000 "degenerates." The Stewarts' attorneys counted 732 "degenerate" files from 1946 to 1971 among the 45 boxes of files ordered disclosed by the Scouts.
Lumped together as "degenerates" were both volunteers known to be gay and/or known to be pedophiles.
Jon Davidson, legal director of Lambda Legal, told Gay.com that the Boy Scouts of America understood that those two groups had little, if anything, to do with each other.
No, Mr. Davidson they understand perfectly well that they are one in the same.
There is so much wrong with this statement, I don't know where to begin.
“degenerate”. I like that word. I think it needs to be used more, and more, and more, lol!
Many pedophiles aren’t gay. Many gays are not pedophiles. Anyone who molests underage boys is both.
Little if anything to do with each other? One of the most blatant lies the homosexuals repeat is the one about how a man molesting a boy has nothing to do with homosexuality.
fyi
A pervert is a pervert, and normal parents don’t want them on camping trips with their young sons.
Gay.com’s solution? Get more queers into Scoutmaster positions. Thanks, but we decline.
Exactly. I never thought I’d see the day when the Boy Scouts of America was attacked in the name of pedophilia and sodomy.
I pulled my early teen daughter out of girl scouts because the GSA didn’t take the same tough stance that BSA did.
That's the big pink elephant in the room whenever these cases come up, isn't it?
My girls won’t be doing Girl Scouts either this year for pretty much the same reason. :(
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Too bad the Catholic Church hadn’t had the same policy.
< snort > Yeah. They have a secret life as a closet queer.
I got news for you:
"Men" (I use the term loosely) who like to bugger (or otherwise sexually molest) boys are gay. They're queers. Poofters. Faggots. Sodomites. Perverts. And they've got no bloody business whatsoever anywhere near boys.
My disgust and contempt for your doubletalk are boundless.
“Many pedophiles aren’t gay. Many gays are not pedophiles. Anyone who molests underage boys is both.”
Debra Lafave is gay?
I'd be willing to investigate that theory..
Good post, bump.
You forgot "trouser pirates." Can we say "trouser pirates" on FR?
” I never thought I’d see the day when the Boy Scouts of America was attacked in the name of pedophilia and sodomy.”
Not only that, but self-righteously attacked. Good is bad and bad is good.
Every man who molests boys is gay by definition. The fact that there are many gays who are not molesters is not pertinent.
There are a number of examples of married men with kids who seem to have a secret life.
Married they may be, but gay they most certainly are, or at least bisexual.
I would no sooner let my son go camping with a gay man, ANY gay man, than I would let my daughter go camping with a heterosexual man.
-ccm
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“Both of the latter two groups see the BSA’s policies as leading to the degradation of the self-image of homosexual kids, in turn contributing to their higher rates of suicide, etc.”
I have read that in Holland and New Zealand, both gay-friendly countries, homosexuals also have higher rates of suicide. You are assuming that higher suicide rates stem from social conditions (problem is outside of oneself) rather than the homosexual lifestyle itself (problem is within oneself).
I wish I had the link to the FBI report that often appears here on FR when this topic comes up (I can't find the report on the FBI website today), but isn't it true that the overwhelming majority of pedophiles pick either males or females to molest, and not both? Doesn't the choice indicate a sexual preference of homosexuality or heterosexuality?
If you believe the politically correct statement that pedophiles are simply pedophiles, and not homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual, then you're left with a strange possibility:
Assuming a state where the age of consent is sixteen, a guy who likes to have sex with boys who are 15 years and 364 days old is simply a pedophile; while another guy who likes to have sex with boys who are 16 years and 1 day old is a homosexual.
Please, somebody, link to the FBI report. It's great fodder to use against those who keep announcing that the majority of pedophiles are heterosexual (and isn't it cute that pedophiles can be heterosexual when it helps your agenda, but never homosexual when it hurts your agenda). That's true. Something like 60-65% of pedophiles (almost all of whom are male) have opposite sex victims according to that report. However, if homosexuals make up 2% (or even 4%) of the population but account for 35-40% of pedophiles, then it means the average homosexual is 17.5 to 20 times more likely to be a pedophile than the average heterosexual, doesn't it?
The report also has staggering statistics about the average number of victims of pedophiles. Heterosexual pedophiles, on average, have only a few victims -- helped in part by the fact that the 21-year old who has sex with his 15-year old girlfriend is a technically a pedophile. As is the 40-year old idiot who has sex with the young teen babysitter of his children. They're counted as pedophiles, but have only one or a few victims. I believe the report from the FBI's study suggests that male pedophiles with same sex victims have, on average, over FIFTY times as many victims as male pedophiles with female victims.
Gay men may have long-term or lifelong relationships with another man. The gay lifestyle may not be for me, but I say congratulations on finding someone you love and can have as a partner for life. I wish you happiness and I do not condemn you. However, dictionaries of gay slang have hundreds of different terms for either underage boys or adult gay males who prey on or are attracted to underage boys. That is part of much of the gay culture.
I've reached the point in my life where everything causes a Simpsons flashback. In one episode, Bart makes his own t-shirts with cocky sayings, and a Willy Wonka-esque character starts carrying the shirt in his nationwide chain of retail stores. Homer's quote was something about it being "every parents' dream when an eccentric single man takes a special interest in your son."
This stand by the BSA is what has caused them to lose their headquarters building in Philadelphia, their summer camp in Balboa Park, San Diego, and the Sea Scouts' right to a boat slip in (I think) San Francisco, among other pieces of property that the BSA paid for through improvements and other work required in the initial agreements as payment for the lease or property.
You mean "rump rangers."
We can all seek to understand everybody and everything until hell freezes over, but the fact remains that Scouting was never - ever - meant to decline to the level where the mindless ideal of ‘understanding’ trumps the moral codes that built our civilization. BP would not approve.
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Too angry at the Leftie LOONS to even respond.
The response I had in mind would’ve gotten me a time out, so I just pinged to the list and said nothing.
I’d like to see how many government workers are responsible for sexual abuse (which we all acknowledge IS wrong) in comparision to the percentage of boy-scout leaders ejected: I’ll make the case; I’ll bet the ratio would be much higher in the government run institutions (see public education), etc.
With the exception of women who do so.
I do generally agree with your comments outside of that though.
At least you won’t have to sell cookies, then.
Aggreed about his post-modern secular (though I do respect the poster) Double-talk..I was thinkin’ the same things, as you wrote!!
Same here.
ANY man who sexually abuses a boy is a homosexual, and a pedophile. Family or not.
Well, like it or not the Boy Scouts of America program is always going to be the target of homosexuals. It shouldn’t be surprising that over the years some 5,000 people were booted for cause.
Now, does that mean 5,000 people abused kids? I would suggest not. Observations could have been made that allowed local leaders to spot a problem and avoid it getting worse.
For those who were abused, I would urge them to go after the individual, taking whatever monetary loot they can in a court of law.
As a parent you’re so hamstrung in cases like this. The first urge as a father is to kill the offender. Then you realize that if you do your kid will have to go through the pain of seeing his father prosectued, convicted, jailed and possible put to death. The home would be destroyed.
I just wish there were a better way to register these people and keep them from re-offending. I’ll bet if we knew the half of it concerning public schools, the Catholic Church and the Scouts would look tame by comparison.
I don’t have any facts to back up that claim, but if the Scouts and some churches are having a problem, I’m thinking schools probably do too.
Parents simply cannot let their kids out of their sight for any longer than is humanly possible.
How about “fudge packers?”
I often make it a point to say how "cool" and "funny" I think anorexia is. I say they should put a sit-com on TV in which the main characters weigh 75 pounds and don't have the energy to get out of bed. When people I know point out how unhealthy certain actresses or models look, I say they shouldn't be judged and they should be proud of who they are. It pisses people off but it gets the point across.
Lumped together as "degenerates" were both volunteers known to be gay and/or known to be pedophiles.
Ah, so it hopefully be very clear to the undecided exactly why the homos are so keen on getting those scoutmaster jobs. Kind of hard for them to deny their goals.
Degenerates is a very apt description.
They did a whole lot more than the RC Church did, didn’t they?
Congrats, it sounds like your being a good boy!
Nice attempt at highjacking this thread, but the Catholic Church does have a very similar policy to the BSA. In our diocese, and I understand in virtually all dioceses nationwide, anyone, male or female, wishing to work with children and youth in any capacity whatsoever must be fingerprinted and have a complete police background check. This includes children and youth ministry personnel, religious education teachers, Boy Scout and Girl Scout leaders, and all personnel, including volunteers, in Catholic schools. No exceptions. Anyone whose police check comes back with a problem is not ever allowed alone with any children or youth on any diocesan property or at any church-sponsored activity.
haha, good for the Boy Scouts. Name them and then give them the boot. Hold the course, men.
This is WHY they don’t want HOMOSEXUALS in the Boy Scouts.
“Although justices ruled that the files themselves would not be made public, attorneys said the Boy Scouts “have ejected at least 5,100 adult leaders nationwide for sexual abuse allegations since 1946,” according to the Seattle Times. “
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