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Foot-Tapping Ritual Common in Sex Sting
guardian ^ | 08/30/07 | STEVE KARNOWSKI

Posted on 08/29/2007 8:11:54 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3

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To: Prokopton
It's called an Alford plea

Irrelevant under these circumstances. Craig did not make an Alford plea (and courts are increasingly reluctant to allow them). You have to explicitly make an Alford plea for it to be effective.

141 posted on 08/30/2007 8:22:32 AM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: kilowhskey

[They both stand in the bags, so no one can see that the two of them are “engaged.”]

It sure is odd that they go to such lengths to cover up their activities when they are so full of “pride”.

Pride and arrogance...


142 posted on 08/30/2007 8:43:03 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: kilowhskey

[They both stand in the bags, so no one can see that the two of them are “engaged.”]

It sure is odd that they go to such lengths to cover up their activities when they are so full of “pride”.

Pride and arrogance...


143 posted on 08/30/2007 8:43:11 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: jude24
Irrelevant under these circumstances. Craig did not make an Alford plea (and courts are increasingly reluctant to allow them). You have to explicitly make an Alford plea for it to be effective.

I haven't read a transcript of the guilty plea so I don't know of the relevance. Regardless, I was commenting on your assertion that "A guilty plea generally removes all possible doubt".

I rarely have seen a judge refuse to accept an Alford plea. Also, I don't know what you mean by "explicitly", but you can make an Alford plea without ever mentioning you're making an "Alford plea". If you tell the judge that you believe you are innocent but want to plead guilty because you acknowledge that if you went to trial there is a good likelihood that you could be found guilty, you have made an Alford plea.

144 posted on 08/30/2007 8:50:00 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: kilowhskey
Two guys were busted in a men's room at the WTC in the late '80s for doing exactly that. I worked there at the time. Couldn't believe anyone could even think of having sex in a public toilet. I mean, there's disgusting, and then there's disgusting.
145 posted on 08/30/2007 8:51:00 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Foot-Tapping Ritual Common in Sex Sting

Memo to self - don't listen to iPod in men's room.

Oh, that's right, I don't own an iPod...

146 posted on 08/30/2007 8:51:31 AM PDT by dirtboy (Chertoff needs to move out of DC, not move to Justice.)
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To: elhombrelibre
[Craig needs to resign.]
 
 
Lots of people should resign... but they never will.
 
Caligula never had it so good.
 
 

147 posted on 08/30/2007 9:03:20 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: usastandsunited
I concluded he either sat down without pulling his pants down at all, or had his pants completely off. Both of which seem like weird behavior to me.

That's what the caller and the host on talk radio were saying, too. They also said: He could've had one leg out, but, if so, that alone is freakish. So, even if the senator is telling the truth, he was engaging in strange behavior.

148 posted on 08/30/2007 9:13:24 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: ClaireSolt

Rubbish,

Craig exhibited a strange, but specific, pattern of behavior that the police were looking for that indicated he was a homosexual trolling for anonymous sex and he was doing it in a known location for that to happen.

And guess what! After being identified solely by his own actions as a homosexual looking for anonymous sex, it transpires that indeed he has long been been suspected by many people to be a closet homosexual and his local paper even have a witness that they comfortable enough to go to print with that says Craig has done this before.

Nobody targeted Craig in this sting, he identified himself to the police by his own bizarre actions which, coincidentally, subsequently corroborated long held rumors and suspicions.

If you think that protecting young children from having to witness sodomy and fellatio in a public restroom is a indication that we live in a police state then you and I have very different views of the world we live in.


149 posted on 08/30/2007 9:19:53 AM PDT by Wil H (Islam translates to "submission", not "peace" - you can figure out the rest.)
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To: kilowhskey
"In Craig’s case, isn’t it likely that he had at least one assistant traveling with him who would be more than willing to watch his bag?"

If he was out cruising to get his pole smoked, I'd imagine he'd be traveling solo.

150 posted on 08/30/2007 9:38:55 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

I can’t say the same. I’ve never had any need for causal sex. I can’t say I don’t have fantasies but I’d never sleep around even though it would be easy to do so if I desired to. I think it is degrading and indicates a lack of maturity. Sexuality should be a part of building relationships not just some thing to do. I know plenty would disagree but all one has to do is judge from the outcomes of such unconstrained lives and it is easy to see what is the correct path even if it doesn’t allow one the indulgence the way they think they would like.

It is unfortunate the negative affect that homosexual activism and the porn industry has had on shaping sexual attitudes. The good thing is most people grow up eventually and get tired of going through life with nothing but overworn fantasies in place of what could have been their memories of the children they weren’t there for.

Sex and entertainment have come to replace so much of value and skew our desires in ways that those things which do not satisfy us and do not last have replaced the priority of living honorably and with a common connection to those around us that doesn’t involve our private parts.


151 posted on 08/30/2007 12:00:28 PM PDT by Maelstorm (When ideas are considered equal regardless of content, then arriving at truth becomes an accident.)
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To: Maelstorm
I’ve never had any need for causal sex.

To each his own.

I believe that sex is the most beautiful and wonderful thing money can buy. [/joking]

152 posted on 08/30/2007 12:54:50 PM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: finnman69

They are at MOST universities, and lots of other places...

Homosexuality is a MENTAL DISORDER folks...

One of the mens room’s at my university had all of the stall doors removed because it had become so popular with these sicko sodomites that they simply removed all the doors from all the stalls.


153 posted on 08/30/2007 1:00:30 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Wil H

You sure read a lot into this. Wonder why you have so much baggage.


154 posted on 08/30/2007 8:08:41 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Joe 6-pack

You could be right about that. My impression is that these folks never go anywhere without a couple of staffers to make them look and feel important.


155 posted on 08/30/2007 8:36:42 PM PDT by kilowhskey ("I Carry a Gun Because I Cannot Carry A Cop.")
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To: ClaireSolt
You sure read a lot into this. Wonder why you have so much baggage.

Actually it's Larry Craig that has all the baggage and he uses it in a way consistent with gays soliciting anonymous sex in public restrooms....LOL

157 posted on 08/30/2007 9:19:13 PM PDT by Wil H (Islam translates to "submission", not "peace" - you can figure out the rest.)
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To: ClaireSolt
Mothers teach their daughters how to handle unwanted attention from a young age. Maybe fathers don’t do the same. It seems that men are the ones who go bonkers over homosexuals. Women are used to being hit on, and because we can handle it, we like it.

I have heard of women being accosted by lesbians in restrooms, but it seems to be fairly rare. Likewise, one never hears that restrooms or public parks have been taken over by lesbians engaging in sexual activity.

158 posted on 08/31/2007 4:43:10 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Wil H

May be consistent, but that does not make it so. It becomes an opp;ortunity to see who can stick to the facts and rules of evidence and who cannot.


159 posted on 08/31/2007 5:43:25 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Tall_Texan

Another one is asking someone if they have the time. A straight person will tell you the time. But they mean “Do you have the time for a XXXX”.


160 posted on 08/31/2007 5:50:59 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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