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To: qam1
And he worries about a shift at the ballot box. In New Jersey, voters rejected nearly half of school budgets in the state last year -- the lowest passage rate in more than a decade

Here in New Jersey, we've taken to voting down school budgets because we're voting against high taxes. We're not voting against children.

The article missed that point. In NJ we pay the highest property taxes in the nation (hence my screenname), and the property taxes consist mostly of school tax.

10 posted on 08/30/2007 9:23:23 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
Here in New Jersey, we've taken to voting down school budgets because we're voting against high taxes. We're not voting against children.

Same here in MA. As I explained to two of the young ladies on our street who are in high school, and were encouraged by the League of Women Voters to get out the vote, if the Prop. 2 1/2 override fails it's not because folks don't want them to have good schools, it's just that we don't see a good accounting of where all that money is going. We see good programs moved aside so they can have 'diversity' classes, and a lot of kids are put into "Special Ed" classes because they can get more State and Federal funds for those. The school dept is very administrator heavy, and teachers continue to get higher degrees so their pay will go up.

This most recent override effort was the third in 6 years, and in the last 15 years the town has built a new elementary school, at the cost of 12.5 million, when it was supposed to have been 9 million, and a high school that started out at 40 something million and went to 65 million! We joking call it Shrewsbury University! The builder claimed that the cost went up so much because they found 'ledge' on the property. That means that there were rocks in the way. HELLO? It was on the top of one of the highest hills in a New England town; of COURSE there were going to be rocks. He shouldn't have gotten one dime extra because it was the job of the Architect and Builder to determine the proper placement of the buildings and access BEFORE construction ever began. The first winter they were in the building, the heating units went berserk and the resulting heat melted the ceiling tiles in the auditorium. So much for all that money buying quality.

Then, of course, once the old high school closed, because it was no longer suitable for the kids, they promptly remodeled it for use as another middle school! They've been spending money hand over fist, then are totally flummoxed by folks who don't want their taxes raised even more for their new 'programs'.

The problem is that the school departments don't worry about the cost of all this construction because they know the State will reimburse the city about 65% of the cost. It doesn't occur to them that the State is getting it's money from the same place the city is getting it; US!

51 posted on 08/30/2007 5:25:33 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Tired of Taxes

>>Here in New Jersey, we’ve taken to voting down school budgets because we’re voting against high taxes. We’re not voting against children.<<

Exactly, same here in California. We’re sick of seeing the teachers association whining for more funds to fix our dying schools, not 12 months after we voted them a big fat budget that was supposed to fix everything if only we would think of the children.

Personally, I’m not going to have children until I can afford to not have them raised by someone else. 50 years ago it was a different world, where both partners didn’t have to work 60 hour weeks to just get by.


59 posted on 09/03/2007 5:36:09 PM PDT by Shion (Hunter 2008! www.gohunter08.com)
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