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White People 'A Minority By 2027' (UK)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 8-31-2007 | Chris Hope

Posted on 08/30/2007 7:17:13 PM PDT by blam

White people 'a minority by 2027'

By Christopher Hope, Home Affairs Correspondent
Last Updated: 2:56am BST 31/08/2007

White people living in the UK's second biggest city are likely to find themselves in a minority in 20 years' time, according to researchers.

Birmingham is likely to become a minority white city in 2027

A team of demographers from Manchester University has claimed that the number of white people living in Birmingham will be overtaken by the number of those with other ethnic origins by 2027.

The news came as it emerged that 35 towns and cities in Britain have at least one ward which is "minority white".

And experts have already forecast that Leicester could become the first city in which white people are a minority in four years' time.

Ludi Simpson, a social statistician at Manchester University, said the Pakistani population in Birmingham was likely to double by 2026, but with two-thirds of this increase due to the relatively younger age profile of Pakistanis, rather than increased immigration.

Dr Simpson said: "The overall picture is one of rapid natural growth plus some immigration, mainly of young spouses.

"Birmingham is likely to become a minority white city in 2027, but a diverse one in which the white population remains more than twice the size of the Pakistani population which is predicted to become one fifth of the district's population by then."

But hopes that different ethnic groups could assimilate into a "common identity" in towns and cities were dismissed by Dr Sullivan as "utopian in quite a dangerous way" and "completely unrealistic".

He added that the suburbs, rather than town and city centres were the "sites of real tension".

"Lack of affordable housing, poor environments and anti-social behaviour are the issues, not ethnic composition nor segregation itself," he said.

Nissa Finney, also from Manchester University, told the Royal Geographical Society's annual conference that 35 towns and cities in Britain had at least one ward which was "minority white". These included Birmingham, Burnley, Slough, Peterborough, Bolton and Derby, as well as Brent, Tower Hamlets, Ealing and Newham within London.

Miss Finney said the increasing proportion of non-whites in these wards was more linked with "natural population dynamics" like moving areas to be nearer family or friends, than with immigration.

She told the conference: "Clustering is the result of benign and natural population dynamics. There is no evidence of self-segregation or exceptional 'white flight'."

Trevor Phillips, the chairman of the Commission for Equality and Human Rights, said that "tough decisions" will have to be made as some more areas become "plural cities" where no one race holds a majority.

Mr Phillips said: "Events across Europe have shown how segregation breeds mistrust and fracture.

"The benefits of plural cities can be great, but we need to look at the future and act responsibly."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2027; minority; people; plurality; race; racebaiting; racerelations; races; racial; racism; racist; racists; white

1 posted on 08/30/2007 7:17:16 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Britons Quit Country In Record Numbers
2 posted on 08/30/2007 7:18:52 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

I’m betting that we won’t be seeing a lot of “liberal brown guilt” floating around anytime after 2027.


3 posted on 08/30/2007 7:25:25 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: blam

It’s true, The Brits are playing DOWN the Muslim problem.

A neighbor of mine, her best friend is married to a Brit and living over there. His health is failing. She has made no bones about it that when he does, she’s coming home to the U.S.. Their friends are also in the process of leaving.


4 posted on 08/30/2007 7:25:36 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: blam

One can either be a rat or a cat. No harm in either. Populations will adjust either way. It’s just the way of things.


5 posted on 08/30/2007 7:27:06 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: blam

Silly me. I thought white was a minority anyway. Sure, in some countries, they have the majority for the time being, but world wide they don’t even come close.

So what’s going to happen when white IS the minority? I’d love to see the affirmative action folks try reconcile this one.


6 posted on 08/30/2007 7:28:50 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: blam

Captain Obvious?


7 posted on 08/30/2007 7:29:07 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: blam
Will there be special protections for the indigenous peoples of England?
8 posted on 08/30/2007 7:30:20 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: metmom

I’m really ticked that the major grocery store here in LA remodeled ... with the credit card swiper about 6 inches lower than before. You have to be a midget!


9 posted on 08/30/2007 7:30:59 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: blam

4,000 a month leaving? I think it will be much sooner than that.

what a world we are leaving our children.


10 posted on 08/30/2007 7:31:48 PM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END WELFARE.i)
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To: blam

How long before “working people” become a minority in the UK?


11 posted on 08/30/2007 7:32:46 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: blam

Not all bad. When they become a minority they’ll be able to burn cars, blow up trains and live off the State for free.


12 posted on 08/30/2007 7:32:56 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: blam

When do I get my lifestyle funded by the MAJORITY. Can I get rich by the new race baiting? I know there is someone out there who hates me.


13 posted on 08/30/2007 7:41:38 PM PDT by MtnClimber (http://www.imwithfred.com/)
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To: blam

The Empire has come home.


14 posted on 08/30/2007 7:44:36 PM PDT by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: blam

Funny, I was a minority at Six Flags in New Jersey this past weekend. No doubt about it.

Whites were easily outnumbered by Mexicans and blacks. By far.

May have just been that park, but it’s happening here, too.


15 posted on 08/30/2007 7:46:07 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: blam

How valid is this because of the “one drop rule”

all mixed children are pigeon holed as non-white.

We also have the new phenomenon of now ethinic groups are equated with the three races.


16 posted on 08/30/2007 7:50:14 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: metmom
So what’s going to happen when white IS the minority? I’d love to see the affirmative action folks try reconcile this one.

See this post:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1676833/posts?page=99#99

- John

17 posted on 08/30/2007 7:57:28 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: CheyennePress

Detroit is around 90% vs. 10% these days. Glad I moved to the burbs.


18 posted on 08/30/2007 8:10:26 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Fishrrman

Very interesting. I never thought much about that, but I don’t doubt your scenario won’t come to pass.

Prevailing thought is already that whites are the oppressors and that mindset will not change, even when they become the minority. They will not be acknowledged as such, those in power will still find excuses for oppressing them (us).


19 posted on 08/30/2007 8:18:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: blam

The UK as it has been for hundreds of years is dying. Within 50 years it will be dead. In 50 years the country will be under sharia law. Letting in so many people who want to destroy your way of life and then appeasing them at every turn under the guise of multiculturalism makes for certain disaster.


20 posted on 08/30/2007 8:59:52 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: USMCPOP

I want you to consider the motives of our nation for the most part, and remember where they came from. Look, we’re not lilly white from the inception of our nation to where we are today. Slavery and prejudice was present and ramifications are still being felt today, but our system of government and good will overcame a lot to provide perhaps the best chance of success for the broadest spectrum of people in the history of the planet. This was based on the Christian ethic and the morals of White Europeans, for the most part, that set up systems that were designed to overcome problems in time, that couldn’t be overcome in the here and now.

This is rather long-winded, but the point is, you don’t have to look very far to see some very disturbing examples of societies that do not reflect our good nature and good will. Our goal is not to conquer and rule over people. Our goal is the advance the cause of peace through confronting evil.

If you think the world will be as good a place in the absense of White Christian leadership anywhere on the planet, then you and I disagree soundly.

I raise this issue, because it’s my perception that people have not considered this issue enough. Despite the fact that they don’t, the Caucasian nations of the planet are seeing their Caucasian populations dwindle as a percentage. Yes the birth-rates are somewhat deminished, but the real problem is that these nations are flooding themselves with people who do not share their values system.

By 2050 the world will be on the verge of having no nations where Caucasian Christians are the majority.

Now, do you still see this issue as non important?

I guess I’m kindof reading something into your comments, but this, “One can either be a rat or a cat. No harm in either. Populations will adjust either way. It’s just the way of things.” seemed to indicate to me that you don’t see any of this as a problem.

Was I wrong. If so, I appologize. This issue is an important one to me, and I think it goes beyond what I think, to what is best for the planet overall.

I have not problem with there being a place where just aboue every race can make their own determinations of their destiny, so don’t get me wrong. I just think that my race has as much right as any other to self-rule.


21 posted on 08/30/2007 9:49:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: blam
White People 'A Minority By 202'


22 posted on 08/30/2007 10:00:13 PM PDT by Libloather (That's just what I need - some two-bit, washed up, loser politician giving me weather forecasts...)
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To: CheyennePress

Interesting. I haven’t been to Great Adventure since I was a teen. Two weeks ago, my teen daughter went with a couple friends - one friend’s mom had extra tickets for her company’s picnic. My kids have never been there and we heard such horrible stories so never had an interest in taking them - it’s not too far from where we live - about an hour. I told her to be careful and informed her what it would be like from what I heard. Philly and NYC bus in a lot of kids from schools, various social programs, etc.

She was still surprised. And said exactly what you posted.


24 posted on 08/30/2007 10:13:14 PM PDT by Twink
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To: blam

Since white people don’t exist, white people are already a minority.


25 posted on 08/30/2007 10:25:32 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: blam; MoochPooch; Michael81Dus; Vicomte13; az_gila; Experiment 6-2-6; henkster; CT-Freeper; ...

Europe pinglist ping.


26 posted on 08/30/2007 10:27:27 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: blam
this is just great

down with peckerwoods...after all what have they contributed to the world in their 500 year reign?

is it too late to offer this as remedial reading?


27 posted on 08/30/2007 10:28:21 PM PDT by wardaddy (America.....the beginning of the end as we know it probably)
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To: Libloather

that’s Room 222...Karen Valentine was pretty cute....my high school years


28 posted on 08/30/2007 10:31:36 PM PDT by wardaddy (America.....the beginning of the end as we know it probably)
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To: blam
Sullivan's attitude is part of why Europe has a less-than-spectacular record of assimilation (integration seems to be the common term they [Europeans] use).

Immigrants can be assimilated into even an old, European society, but effort has to be made on the part of both immigrants and natives (or, since the United Kingdom is in Europe, aboriginal people).

29 posted on 08/30/2007 10:33:51 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Westlander
Detroit is around 90% vs. 10% these days. Glad I moved to the burbs.

I got the hell out of Michigan completely, my FRiend! My progressive liberal brother tells me the entire nation has sunk into recession. I told him where to find work. Oh well...

30 posted on 08/30/2007 10:38:59 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: weegee
"Will there be special protections for the indigenous peoples of England? "

Are you referring to the Anglo-Saxons (historically ruled by Norman French--themselves descended from Scandinavia) who drove indigenous Britons into Wales, who could have been the descendants of mainland Celts who drove out the theorized Iberian settlers of the British Isles?

One group displacing another has happened multiple times during history.

With assimilation, the immigrants can become the indigenous people.

From the above, the Norman French spoke their dialect of French and were Frenchmen, even though their ancestry traced to Scandinavia.

In this case, and the parallel one in the United States, people are getting a bit jumpy considering those of European descent (or 'aboriginal' British--what's that?) are still set to be the easy plurality. In the British case, Birmingham is just one city, and not even the largest.

31 posted on 08/30/2007 10:43:21 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: stanz

UK ping


32 posted on 08/30/2007 10:44:34 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: BunnySlippers
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Figuratively, what does this remodeling have to do with the price of eggs?

33 posted on 08/30/2007 10:44:56 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

That’s what I was going to say. Whites will still be the plurality in B’ham. Some people here aren’t really that mathematically literate. If they were, they would still know by percentage, there are more whites in B’ham than any other people, but they don’t comprise of more than 50%. And besides, it’s a non-issue, the real issue is how to get all of those people assimilated, not if they’re black, white, south Asian or east Asian.

The UK is doomed because they practice cultural balkanization, something hopefully none of our FRiends will ever buy into.

A house divided onto itself will never stand.


34 posted on 08/30/2007 10:56:13 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Trinidad&Tobago: Proof that a Muslim minority (5%pop) causes a majority of a country's problems.)
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To: DoughtyOne
What about the world being led by non-European Christian leadership?

Already, Europe is heavily atheist. And the United States is going that direction, too.

Christian leadership is more pressing than European/European-descended leadership.

And and to be technical, the United States is neither European-descended nor Christian; there are plenty of non-Europeans and non-Christians in this nation, including from the inception of this country, though European descendants and Christians did make much, if not most, of the contributions to the founding the United States.

35 posted on 08/30/2007 11:02:33 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: SmoothTalker

‘Within 50 years it will be dead. In 50 years the country will be under sharia law.’

Do you always spout crap or is this a special occasion?

‘Letting in so many people who want to destroy your way of life and then appeasing them at every turn under the guise of multiculturalism makes for certain disaster.’

I agree, but we haven’t. The UK is 92.9% white anglo saxon celtic christian and 2.6% muslim. The UK has let in fewer muslims since 1950 than the US has since 1995. Muslim immigration is reducing year on year in the UK since 2001 and increasing every year in the US. The US has had white minority cities for many decades, we might have one by 2027 and even then muslims will be a minority compared to hindus and sikhs. The US has more african-american converts to islam than the UK has total muslim population. The US has open borders and no idea how many muslims there are - take your pick between 2.8m and 12m.

Still, when have the facts ever got in the way of the regular anti-British rants on here?


36 posted on 08/31/2007 3:07:07 AM PDT by britemp
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To: wardaddy
"is it too late to offer this as remedial reading?"

Yup. It's too late.

37 posted on 08/31/2007 7:30:56 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: britemp

“The UK is 92.9% white anglo saxon celtic christian and 2.6% muslim. “

A lot of white folks yes, but you can bet that nowhere near 93 percent of the population is a practicing christian. The UK is a very secular place. And yes you are bending over backwards to accommodate the muzzies. They are aggressive and they breed like rabbits. The UK is in real danger. London already looks like a losing battle.

“The US has more african-american converts to islam than the UK has total muslim population. “

The Nation of Islam and Islam aren’t the same thing and the US has a much larger populaton.


38 posted on 08/31/2007 7:43:41 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: britemp
The UK is 92.9% white anglo saxon celtic christian and 2.6% muslim.

Doesn't matter.

All that matters is the age distribution [i.e. whether the Muslims are disproportionately young and the Brits are disproportionately old], the total fertility rate [live births per woman per fertile lifetime], and the generational rate [age at which women make their babies].

If the numbers are skewed too badly, e.g. vastly disproportionate numbers of Brits are old & barren, vastly disproportionate numbers of Muslims are young & fertile, Brit women having a TFR between 1.0 and 1.5 versus Muslim women having a TFR between 3.0 and 4.0, and Brit women having children at the ages of 30-40 versus Muslim girls having children at the ages of 15-20, etc etc etc, then your country will become Muslim in the blink of an eye.

By the way, whites in the USA are almost effectively a minority already:

Of U.S. Children Under 5, Nearly Half Are Minorities
You don't see that in the cumulative numbers yet, but all those old, barren folks [especially the women], in the age range of 40-80, contribute absolutely nothing whatsoever to the determination of the future of the nation.

Demographically speaking, they're already dead.

The future of the nation is determined by the women in their childbearing years [ideally aged 20-40, but more realistically aged 15-35] - those who make the babies make the future.

And those who don't make babies are consigned to the great dustbin of history - The Annals of Forgotten Time.

39 posted on 08/31/2007 10:08:26 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: DoughtyOne

I didn’t mean to imply it was unimportant, I was just being bitter. I think it’s time the cats got busy on the rats, so to speak.

As you say, flooding a country with those who do not share values is a disaster waiting to happen, or rather it is happening.


40 posted on 08/31/2007 9:50:45 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: USMCPOP

Thanks for the reponse. I appreciate your patience with that post.

D1


41 posted on 08/31/2007 10:47:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: nutmeg

This is already the case in my own town..the Banana Republic of West New York, N.J.


42 posted on 09/01/2007 5:47:11 AM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: blam

That pic is Birmingham, UK?

Looks like frickin’ Jeddah.


43 posted on 09/14/2007 6:50:45 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: blam

The picture looks more like Pakistan than England


44 posted on 09/14/2007 6:54:19 PM PDT by Rosemont
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