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Iran upgrading its F-14s, testing GPS-guided smart bombs
World Tribune ^ | August 30,2007

Posted on 08/30/2007 9:00:57 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Iran upgrading its U.S. F-14s, testing GPS-guided smart bombs

LONDON — Iran says it has succeeded both in restoring its F-14 fighter-jet fleet to operational service and in developing its own GPS-guided smart bomb. Industry sources said Iranian defense firms have been overhauling and upgrading F-14A fighter-jets. They said the Defense Ministry has overseen a serial production line for F-14 overhaul.

The ministry has administered a project by the state-owned Iranian Aircraft Industries Complex to enhance the F-14As, Middle East Newsline reported. The sources said the project began in 2007, and since May three F-14As were upgraded.

In 1972, Iran procured 60 F-14As from the United States. The Tomcat fleet was hampered by the U.S. refusal to sell F-14 spare parts to Teheran since the 1980s. By 2002, only 25 out of the F-14As were still in operational service, the sources said. In that year, however, Iran launched a $1 billion to overhaul the F-14s as well as the U.S.-origin F-4 fighter-jet.

The sources said the F-14A upgrade was taking place at the Iranian Aircraft Industries Complex in Mehrabad. They said the company was expected to overhaul and upgrade additional F-14s in 2007 and 2008.

The upgraded F-14s would be equipped with Iran's new guided air bomb. Officials said the new 2,000-pound bomb has been flight-tested and would undergo serial production. On Sunday, Iranian state television showed the Ghased bomb destroying a target.

"We will use these [bombs] against our enemies when the time comes," Iranian Defense Minister Mustafa Najar said on Sunday. "We will use this weapon where we want to hit the enemy's strategic and defense targets. This will be used against our enemies, against those who violate our land and air space."

Meanwhile, Iran has reported the development of a one-ton air-to-ground munition.

Officials said the Iranian Defense Ministry has developed a 2,000-pound bomb that could be guided to its target. They said the bomb, dubbed Messenger, or Ghased in Farsi, has been successful in recent tests by the Iranian Air Force.

A Defense Ministry statement described the bomb as a smart munition. The statement said the Defense Ministry would launch serial production of the 2,000-pound bomb on Aug. 27, the onset of Government Week.

Industry sources the Messenger was meant to resemble the U.S.-origin Joint Direct Attack Munition. JDAM is a kit that converts general purpose bombs to smart munitions.

Officials provided few details of the bomb. They said the munition contained a GPS system that could guide the weapon to its target.

The Defense Ministry said Messenger was launched from the Iranian Air Force's U.S.-origin F-4 and F-5 fighter-jets. It was unclear whether the bomb could be fitted to the air force's Soviet-origin fleet, comprised of the MiG-29 and the Su-24 fighters.

The ministry said Messenger, development of which was completed in 2006, was one of the most powerful smart munitions in the world. The statement said only several countries had the capability to develop such a weapon.

Defense Minister Mustafa Najar said Iran has become self-sufficient in military production. During a tour on Aug. 23 of an installation of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps in Bushehr, Najar said his ministry was producing missiles, munitions, artillery as well as naval surface and underwater vessels.

Najar said the ministry was also manufacturing fighter-jets, unmanned aerial vehicles and armored ground platforms. The minister said Iran's military has achieved what he termed full combat readiness.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; f14; iran; thankscarter; tomcat
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1 posted on 08/30/2007 9:00:58 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Najar said the ministry was also manufacturing fighter-jets

Najar is full of crap.

2 posted on 08/30/2007 9:07:46 PM PDT by SIDENET (More fun than a beer left in the freezer.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Good luck suckers. You’re going to need it.


3 posted on 08/30/2007 9:08:46 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: SIDENET

What are those things behind the fuel tank, and on the left wing hardpoint?


4 posted on 08/30/2007 9:08:49 PM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: wastedyears

I don’t know, but don’t they look neat?
;-)


5 posted on 08/30/2007 9:11:57 PM PDT by SIDENET (More fun than a beer left in the freezer.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
"The minister said Iran's military has achieved what he termed full combat readiness."

Full Combat Readiness - to attack unarmed women, children and unsuspecting worshipers.

This is PRECISELY why Iran conducts war through their proxy army of non-uniformed insurgents, suicide bombers, arming those in direct contact with coalition forces and by simply running their mouth...

Soon - America must kick their ass SEVERELY to punish them for letting their Alligator mouth overload their Hummingbird Ass.

6 posted on 08/30/2007 9:15:36 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: wastedyears

Hookahs.

Or perhaps small diameter air-to-ground rocket pods.


7 posted on 08/30/2007 9:15:58 PM PDT by 43north (I hope we are around long enough to become a layer in the rocks of the future.)
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To: wastedyears

They’re on the wind hardpoints on both sides, and what they are are unguided rocket pods, similar to our M200 or Mk 66 Hydra-70. (http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/275in-rockets.html) Looks like the Iranian set were originally intended for use on helicopters - if so, they’re probably the Soviet/Russian S-5 rocket in pods.


8 posted on 08/30/2007 9:16:52 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: wastedyears

I think they are deer whistles - to prevent collision with the wildlife..


9 posted on 08/30/2007 9:17:20 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Army Surplus. LOL. They will not know what hit them when our F-22s take them out.


10 posted on 08/30/2007 9:20:59 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Here's a pic of one the overhauled ones mentioned....click to enlarge
11 posted on 08/30/2007 9:22:43 PM PDT by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
here's another... another
12 posted on 08/30/2007 9:24:35 PM PDT by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: river rat
"I think they are deer whistles - to prevent collision with the wildlife"

LOL!
13 posted on 08/30/2007 9:24:36 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
In 1972, Iran procured 60 F-14As from the United States.

Iran bought a total of 80 F-14As; 30 Block 90 BuNo 160299 - 160328 and 50 Block 95 BuNo 160329 - 160377. BuNo 160378, pictured below, was never delivered and placed in storage at AMARC until 1992, due to the embargo, and was assigned to the PMTC at Point Mugu. The initial order in January of 1974 was for 30 Tomcats but the order was increased to 80 in June of 1974.

The Soviets have been responsible for keeping the Iranian F-14s airworthy as well as stealing a lot of the F-14 technology for their MiG and Sukhoi design bureaus.

14 posted on 08/30/2007 9:24:56 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Considering what it was like flying A model Tomcats in the U.S. Navy in the late 90's, I can't imagine how scary it would be to fly Iranian Tomcats 10 years later.

The Iranians are going to face some huge (or should I say hugh) challenges operating those aircraft.

Fatigue on structural members, aging wiring and hydraulic lines, tired old engines, and extremely complex analog electronics. I would be surprised to see a big turnaround in this program. I wouldn't be surprised to an upgraded weapons system, but it will still be saddled onto a tired old horse.

15 posted on 08/30/2007 9:25:35 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’ve heard that in wartime we have a way of making the GPS system less accurate. Our military would not be affected because they have access to a special encrypted GPS channel. As long as Iran does not have a method of accessing this channel, their GPS guided bombs would have reduced accuracy. Of course taking this step in wartime that would affect all civilian users.


16 posted on 08/30/2007 9:25:39 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Here's a sneaky pic that was taken last year...peek-a-boo
17 posted on 08/30/2007 9:26:34 PM PDT by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; USNBandit

I read that a few years ago that the Russians proposed reengining the F-14s with their AL-31F,found on the Flanker series.


18 posted on 08/30/2007 9:28:20 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: nuconvert

Well there is a Tomcat in it’s natural state. Notice the outboard spoilers on the the left wing stuck up and from the position of the horizontal stab it looks like they couldn’t get the wings into the ‘oversweep’ or stowed position. Some things never change.


19 posted on 08/30/2007 9:31:23 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: wideminded

Russia is rejuvenating it’s own GPS system called GLONASS-to be ready by 2010 or so & the Chinese have plans for system called Beidou around the same time.


20 posted on 08/30/2007 9:31:49 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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This story adds another chapter to the pathetic legacy of the worst president in US history.


21 posted on 08/30/2007 9:31:53 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: wastedyears
"What are those things behind the fuel tank, and on the left wing hardpoint?"

They look like giant sized deer warning whistles; probably for scaring camels off the runway when landing, and warning rag heads on flying carpets to get out of the way.

22 posted on 08/30/2007 9:32:04 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I know that people may think that the Soviets have worked on F14’s, but I have it on very good aothority that the Russians have never been allowed to work on the F14’s.
Since Iraq was a Soviet client, Iran kept American technology and equipment away from soviets


23 posted on 08/30/2007 9:34:16 PM PDT by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: wideminded
I’ve heard that in wartime we have a way of making the GPS system less accurate. Our military would not be affected because they have access to a special encrypted GPS channel. As long as Iran does not have a method of accessing this channel, their GPS guided bombs would have reduced accuracy. Of course taking this step in wartime that would affect all civilian users.

That feature is known as 'Selective Availability' and has been turned off, IIRC, for the past several years. It could be reinstated at any time. I believe that the military's GPS systems operate using signals in a slightly different frequency range from the same satellites as civilian GPS.

24 posted on 08/30/2007 9:37:07 PM PDT by Bob
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To: nuconvert

You’ve been given bad gouge.


25 posted on 08/30/2007 9:39:05 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

No I haven’t. What you’ve been told is a rumor that’s gone around for yrs.


26 posted on 08/30/2007 9:40:23 PM PDT by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: wideminded
A correction to my previous post -- SA was turned off early in the year 2000.

May 2000 article

27 posted on 08/30/2007 9:41:33 PM PDT by Bob
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To: wastedyears

Targeting pod - Photoshop anyone? The colors don’t even match, ppppfffttttttt.


28 posted on 08/30/2007 9:43:09 PM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: nuconvert

Despite your protestations to the contrary, you’ve been given bad gouge.


29 posted on 08/30/2007 9:43:46 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

btw - you are correct, it was 80 not 60 as reported in the article.
There are 44 airframes now. Avioncs the big problem


30 posted on 08/30/2007 9:44:18 PM PDT by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

This is a flim flam. The Iranians will continue to fly the F-14s they have left and make claims about their performance like they do in other areas of military technology. The claims are exaggerations at best.


31 posted on 08/30/2007 9:47:23 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Seriously, how good are these guys REALLY?

Not that they could defeat the U.S. Air Force, but keeping in mind that the Iranian solders and officers will be trying to do their very best working with what they have.

Just because the enemy is at a disadvantage doesn’t necessarily mean they are going to just roll over unless they are cowards / incompetent / or looking for a reason to desert at the first opportunity bacause they know their cause is lost and hate their leader.

Even some Iraqi units tried to put up a good fight. How do the Iranians compare?

Are they competent? Do they have competent leadership? Do they have the will to fight us even in the face of being at a huge disadvantage?


32 posted on 08/30/2007 10:28:58 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: magslinger

ping


33 posted on 08/30/2007 11:46:00 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: All
V.S. Naipaul explains it all.
34 posted on 08/30/2007 11:52:43 PM PDT by dighton
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To: wastedyears
Unguided rocket pods. They are on the wing pylons. Here is a later image showing the twin-finned Iranian airframe firing them.


35 posted on 08/31/2007 2:26:51 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: ASOC
Not photo shop. Why do you think that? Other pictures exist of this airframe showing the unguided rocket pods.


36 posted on 08/31/2007 2:38:01 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: wideminded
As long as Iran does not have a method of accessing this channel, their GPS guided bombs would have reduced accuracy. Of course taking this step in wartime that would affect all civilian users.

Actually we could send up jammer a/c that could spoof the sat nav signals and make the bombs go that a way....
37 posted on 08/31/2007 2:54:59 AM PDT by Kozak
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To: nuconvert

Still a good-lookin’ bird, even with foreign graffiti all over it.


38 posted on 08/31/2007 2:55:25 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (I've been waiting since 11/04/79 to do something about Iran.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

bet their media wing is also doing a lot of testing

i bet there are whole new baby factories being built daily


39 posted on 08/31/2007 3:46:55 AM PDT by Flavius
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To: dighton

Great last line. Thanks for the link.


40 posted on 08/31/2007 5:34:57 AM PDT by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: Tommyjo

Oh, that’s firing rocket pods? I just thought the wings were on fire.


41 posted on 08/31/2007 6:05:05 AM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil

They showed their competency during the Iran-Iraq war 20 years ago.But that was then.One advantage they have over Iraq is that they have not faced the kind of sanctions & restrictions that Baghdad had to since the Kuwait war.They have brought lots of equipment from Russia & China in addition to being able to properly train aviators & other forces.The Iraqis didn’t have that luxury because the allies restricted air space access.There is little to show that they are unprofessional barring their Islamist rants.


42 posted on 08/31/2007 6:26:27 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Tommyjo; A.A. Cunningham
How much is the JC Whitney Twin Tail Kit for my F-5? Is any welding required, or can I use sheetmetal screws (self-tapping of course)? How about the striping kit? I also need a hydraulic seal kit for my F-4 and the fender bracing bar. Can you help ... or must I go back to the Magic Well?

Also, if I go to the big bore twin exhaust on the F-5, will it accidentally affect the back pressure on my Honda Variable Valve Timing?

Yours truly,
General Mustafa bin Dreemin
Procurement Chief and Assistant Mahdi
Iran National AF

BTW, stay out of our airspace, or we'll fry your infidel posteriors with our super-nifty aerodynamic underwing rocket pods ($89.95 at Pep Boys. Chrome, $13.50 extra. Ask for Carlos)

43 posted on 08/31/2007 6:29:28 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( Teddy K's 'Ďmmigration Reform Act' of 1965. ˇGrácias, Borracho!)
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To: Tommyjo

I stand corrected - thank you.


44 posted on 08/31/2007 7:58:02 AM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Many military purchases have been made in the past several years. They’re better equipt now and more prepared than they were 3 yrs ago.

We had a great opportunity to strike Iran and bring down the regime back in 2003 into 2004. Big student uprisings then too - the people were ready and asking when Pres. Bush would come and save them like he did the Iraqis.
Now they’ve watched the situation and mess next door in Iraq, and are bit more hesitant, though they still want to get rid of the regime.


45 posted on 08/31/2007 8:00:17 AM PDT by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: Tommyjo

Looks like the old 21 shot 2.75” FFAR pod to me.


46 posted on 08/31/2007 10:56:59 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69

I agree.


47 posted on 08/31/2007 11:06:03 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: river rat
I think they are deer whistles - to prevent collision with the wildlife..

*chuckle*, *snort*

48 posted on 08/31/2007 11:08:42 AM PDT by TChris (Has anyone under Mitt Romney's leadership ever been worse off because he is Mormon?)
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To: Kenny Bunk

ROTFLMAO!

That about sums it up. They are using the few flyable F-14’s as mini AWACS planes from what I’ve read.

If it ever comes down to a battle, it won’t be any different than the first Gulf War.


49 posted on 08/31/2007 11:14:42 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Badeye

If I were IRIAF I would concentrate on massing MiG-29’s, getting them as close to MiG-35 standard. R-77 missiles would also be required.

This combination kept Pakistani about 40km from the front lines during latest indo-pak war because Indian MiG-29’s had R-77.


50 posted on 09/20/2007 12:59:38 PM PDT by otester
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