Skip to comments.Experts: For many gays, public sex means privacy
Posted on 08/30/2007 9:42:09 PM PDT by freedomdefender
Many men who solicit sex in public places often are conflicted sexually and seek sex in those locations to maintain anonymity, psychiatric experts say.
Dr. Fred Berlin, an associate professor of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins Medical School in Baltimore, compared homosexual sex at public places with heterosexual men who go to secret parts of town to solicit prostitutes and to drug addicts who find dealers on street corners away from their neighborhoods.
"This is not as complicated as people think," Berlin said. "It is often a case of people with very strong sexual cravings that are difficult to resist, people who are very conflicted and struggling" with their feelings and the stigma of embarrassment of having family members or the community find out.
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Sex in public bathrooms to maintain privacy. Right.
And bank robbers wear a mask to preserve their “anonymity”. That still doesn’t make it right.
Thanks for letting us know and sharing.
It’s how homosexuals catch and spread all their diseases.
Please, Christians, be understanding of the rest of America which believes that standards and morality are only private matters to decide, and that America’s moral code was never influenced by biblical morality. Please be patient with compatriots who believe that the Separation Clause of the First Amendment means that Christianity cannot be allowed to influence anything in our land at all.
Be longsuffering, please with those who believe that our founding father’s mind set was not heavily that of biblicist Christianity.
A disgusting, repulsive, and disease-ridden lifestyle that is a gross perversion. Just another example.
By the way, how is Nancy Pelosi’s constituency???
And to university professors who hide in their tenured bubbles on campuses all over the world, where they are paid to endlessly psychobabble on topics they know nothing about.
What the hell are you talking about?
Your opinons about Dr. Berlin sound bigoted.*
*Blindly and obstinately attached to some creed or opinion and intolerant toward others.
What IS IT with American public toilets anyways that have this huge open space between stalls under the dividers, some up very high, maybe even to one-foot high, and you can see the feet and hear the business of the other person next to you doing their business, and facilitates such nonsense as the gay "tap code"?
Not to mention these huge cracks in the stall door, sometimes as wide as two inches, where you can look in on someone and they vice-versa. Ever heard of knocking to see if it is being used??
In Japan, toilet stalls are constructed with dividers 100% clear down to the floor, and in many cases right up to the ceiling, completely enclosed, with complete privacy. The stall doors and jambs also have no gaps between them, so you cannot see in side either.
The only way a rope-sucker is going to get the specific attention of the fellow gay in the next stall is going to be through calling out his filthy desire, which none of those perverts will do for fear of an arrest, or worse yet for them, the prompt delivery of a knuckle sandwich to them by any normal person.
Also, make toilet stalls even more narrow and smaller so only one person can get inside. (Americans on the average will have to lose a lot of weight to be comfortable).
I think all of this to some extent may well put a stop to George Michael-type "cruising" in toilets, on the other hand, watch the American heroin addicts enjoy all that new found "privacy".
Of course the drawback to Japanese restrooms is that, for the urinals at least, often many of them are in clear view from the street!! (At least you can see a stall wall. See, it is clear down to the floor and nearly up to the ceiling! But if you run out of toilet paper and need a break, sorry, out of luck!)
I remember visiting Germany when I was in Jr. High, and going into the men’s room - where you’d see elderly cleaning ladies cleaning and mopping, oblivious to the men and they were oblivious to the cleaning ladies. For a suburban American kid, it was a weird experience.
Meeting strangers in a public toilet sounds nasty to me. I would get awfully upset if someone rubbed feet with me or made advances for sex to me while I was using one... In fact I might shove their head into a toilet. I hope its just a guy thing because I have issues enough with public restrooms as it is. Its a nasty dirty place to be having sex anyway.
Public toilets not infrequently are gross enough, typically, with dirt and splashes of “water” on the floor - the idea of men making passes at each other, on top of the unsanitary conditions already there, makes me gag.
Yep it is societies fault.
Poor misunderstood perverts.They have uncontrollable desires just like my dog does.
Several times in my life a stranger in the next stall has asked for TP, and I have handed some over. Now that is illegal invasion of space. Go figure. It’s for the children, I hear.
these people are trying to change reality by redefining language. It doesn't fly, and it makes them look stupid.
I can just see some perv making a pass at my husband. He really would flip out and stick the perv’s head in the toilet. And beat the cr@p out of him. In fact all the guys I know would beat such a person up badly. I think these perv’s must be very stupid. I really have no clue why one would take the chance of getting beat up for sex. Is that part of the “rush”? If so they sicker then I thought.
Does the good professor think that any of these behaviors are acceptable?
So they have sex publicly? I'm lost.... Seems to me it's just a sissified excuse for inexcusable behavior.
This brings up a point. If you read the police report on Smoking Gun, you see that the officer mentions making eye contact through the gaps in the stall door before Craig entered the adjacent stall. This was the actual "initial contact" and it is what egged Craig on, and explains why he persisted with the tapping etc.
The report doesn't say, "I made eye contact", but it does say that "I saw his blue eyes". He's indicating that Craig was peering into his stall, but if he saw his blue eyes, he was making eye contact!
These sorts of stings are on firm legal ground, but by any kind of common sense understanding, they are certainly "entrapment".
Don’t forget about not offending Bill O’Really...
is that a serious post?
Apparently. As they used to say, "PhD" means "piled higher and deeper."
I understand you.
The difference between American vs. Japanese restrooms might be explained by cost. It’s probably cheaper to buy stalls with partial dividers. If I owned a business, I would want to install the type you described - with dividers from the floor to the ceiling and without gaps in the doors - but it might be too expensive.
I’ll tell you, I don’t like sending my young sons into public men’s rooms to use urinals that are open for everyone to see. Urinals should be enclosed, too. (Between the germs and this weird stuff going on, I worry about sending them in there at all, as do many other parents.)
Personally, I prefer the “family” restrooms. The whole family goes in and locks the door to outsiders. There’s a toilet, a sink, a diaper changing station, in one private room.
P.S. We don’t seem to have the same problems in the women’s rooms, at least as far as I’ve noticed, anyway.
Note: In the family restrooms, the toilet is enclosed in a stall, too.
Good suggestions and thoughts. Take care, Good night.
The stall walls stop short of the floor to make it easier to clean and mop the floor. Public restroom toilets do not touch the floor for the same reason. They are mounted on the wall instead.
What I don’t understand is why we have undercover cops trolling restrooms for gays. I’m a straight guy and i would never think of calling the cops if some homo tapped his foot at me in a restroom. I’d just ignore it. If the idiot got too persistent, he’d have to answer for it with his fists, provided a few choice swear words did not back him down right dam quick.
Nothing about this story makes a lick of sense to me.
Damn straight it's not complicated -- you've got a right hand, use it! Saves lots of time, money, embarassment, legal problems...
Lets “think out of the stall” creatively, and see ways to design public restrooms in the USA to discourage this kinda nonsense then!
I wish they would get real.
I’ve been told that gay men fight eachother more often and more severely than straight men fight eachother.
I agree...I think that is plain nasty & if one gets beat up for it then he rightly deserves it too. I think I am lost too with this. I never thought someone putting their hand down for paper might be a perv wanting sex. I truly hope this is a guy thing.
Unfortunately, that's because we haven't enforced codes of proper social conduct. Now we have to worry about the person across the table, or in this case, the stall.
You should say, "I don't care if it IS entrapment." because, you know, it is.
BTW, I agree entirely with your POV that this is a completely legitimate police function, and that we as a society should not tolerate this sort of activity in public restrooms, and so on.
But still, I think that the police report shows that the officer was at pains to minimize the degree to which he made indications to Craig ( and to others he encountered in this line of duty ) that he would be receptive to such advances as Craig was then encouraged to make. If they didn't do this, they wouldn't catch anybody!
The Law lies to itself, just as everybody else does.
“...cop belonged there to protect the normal men.”
I don’t understand why “normal” men need protecting. Can’t they protect themselves? It’s just a few homos for crying out loud.
Many years ago my hairdresser was gay & he was very nice. We got to be friends and shopping with him was better then shopping with my girlfriends. He was very dramatic and was always having hissy fits over the littlest things with his “other”. If they want to fight it doesn’t bother me. I just wish they would get out of the bathroom & back into the closet. I do not understand why they even call themselves Gay..Most seem pretty unhappy & strange to me.
True. Its a really sad day when you can’t go to the bathroom in peace.
Because if a normal man hits a Gay man the normal man is going to get arrested for some crazy named hate crime. Let me ask you if some man started rubbing his foot under the stall against yours what would you do? If I were a man & I was peeing I would aim it at that foot as a warning . But maybe it would be a turn on though to the perv...Seems to me the normal thing would to beat the cr@p out of the perv. I think the pervs have the upper hand. You are d@mned if you do anything. If you call a cop you are picking on them . If you hit them you are going to jail. All they do is whine & moan. I wish they would get back into the closet & shut up. I am really sick of gays.
Good. Tell us what sect of Christianity we should base our laws on if we’re going to become a Christian based nation.
And people wonder why I don't like shrinks. Ever wonder why psychiatrists have such a high suicide rate? They're nuts!
As for the public toilet pervs; stick your hand under my stall and you may not draw it back with as many fingers. I carry a folding knife for a reason ya know.
“What the hell are you talking about?”
Help! Offending O’Reilly is like stepping on the toes of a statue of Mary!
“Tell us what sect of Christianity we should base our laws on if were going to become a Christian based nation.”