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To: mkjessup
While the United States Department of Defense may not have conducted itself with the totalitarian ruthlessness of the Soviets, the results of our own nuclear testing upon innocent men, women and children are not much different

I call BS on this. Unless you provide us with information about the health and geentic problems of the current generation of nuclear damaged children- which is what started this whole post.

You are trying to compare (and morally relate) Stalin and Krushchev with Truman Eisenhower and Kennedy. Baloney!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The US above ground nuke test program ended by early 60's- Russian programs went on into the late 1980's- and may be continuing for all I know. There are villages TODAY in Far East Russia that are inhabited, but "off limits" to non residents and foreigners because they are nuclear polluted, such as by abandoned and leaking nuke reactors of rusting subs. I met people who have adopted a child from there.

Just had to comment on an assisine assertion that we are no better than the Russians and our leaders did the same things to our people in the name of military expediency.
20 posted on 08/31/2007 1:38:54 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf
Ahh, some clarity! To those few who have actually seen studies of longterm health effects of radiation exposure, most of the comments in this thread show the vulnerability, even on Free Republic, of people to hearsay and subtle propaganda. The Japanese conducted a 50 year followup study of those exposed to high levels of radiation at Hiroshima and Nagasaki - No evidence whatsoever of genetic effects. Radiation effects such as thyroid cancer certainly caused deaths, but there were no measurable genetic effects. This article is nonsense, or worse, propagandistic lies. Pitiful genetic accidents, or results of human experiments such as thalidomide, are tragic. But we are bathed in radiation from birth to death; our bodies have adapted to repair the occasional damaged cell cause by cosmic or local radiation.
27 posted on 08/31/2007 6:07:13 PM PDT by Spaulding (Wagdadbythebay)
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To: silverleaf; All
While the United States Department of Defense may not have conducted itself with the totalitarian ruthlessness of the Soviets, the results of our own nuclear testing upon innocent men, women and children are not much different
I call BS on this. Unless you provide us with information about the health and geentic problems of the current generation of nuclear damaged children- which is what started this whole post.


Call 'BS' and be damned. I'm not your research assistant. Google it up for yourself. If you're too lazy for that, hunt yourself up a copy of 'Countdown Zero' by Thomas Saffer and Orville Kelly. Try searching for information on 'Atomic Veterans', or you might even check out:

http://www.naav.com

And if you want to review the experience of one soldier exposed to atomic tests at Nevada and how it affected his life and his family, look up U.S. Army Corporal 'Lamond Davis'. You'll need to tamp down your indignation and ramp up your objectivity (assuming you have any).

You are trying to compare (and morally relate) Stalin and Krushchev with Truman Eisenhower and Kennedy. Baloney!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now *I* call BS on you. I have done no such thing, so don't even try to put words in my mouth, although you have demonstrated that 'baloney' is YOUR stock in trade. They've got a lot of that in D.C., don't they? LOL

The US above ground nuke test program ended by early 60's-

ALL above ground nuke test programs ended in 1963 (with the exception of the French who continued to set off nukes in the South Pacific as they saw fit). Can you say 'Limited Test Ban Treaty'? I'm sure you can.

Russian programs went on into the late 1980's-

So did U.S. programs, they went on (as did the Soviet programs) underground.
The last U.S. underground nuke test was on 23 Sept '92.

and may be continuing for all I know.

And apparently that isn't much.

There are villages TODAY in Far East Russia that are inhabited, but "off limits" to non residents and foreigners because they are nuclear polluted, such as by abandoned and leaking nuke reactors of rusting subs. I met people who have adopted a child from there.

I commend those people, however their experience does not exactly constitute empirical data although it would appear that you have taken it and 'run with it'.

Just had to comment on an assisine assertion that we are no better than the Russians and our leaders did the same things to our people in the name of military expediency.

The only thing "asinine" is your kneejerk reaction when confronted with the truth, and the truth is that the United States Government DID conduct nuclear testing which caused serious injuries, death and misery to both soldiers and civilians who deserved none of it.

There is plenty of evidence available, all you have to do is get over your premature exasperation, pull off your blinders and read up on it.
29 posted on 09/01/2007 6:51:16 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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